[QUOTE=Im Crimson;35833454]Yeah that's right, Origin is what Steam was around the time HL2 came out. It should be obvious that you cannot offer a software equivalent of what another company published in 2003 and expect it to get the same response today. EA is late to the party and now has to deal with that.
And you're missing part of the truth; Steam also became what it is today because it evolved and improved. It would NOT have reached its present popularity if it had remained the same hunk of junk it was on release in the presence of other alternatives; essentially this is the position Origin is in today.
Also nobody had mentioned "XX is doing it for money!!" as far as I know.[/QUOTE]
EA has been in this game since 2005, origin is just not evolving as fast and as good as steam.
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[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;35832116]This is one of the main things that annoys me, out of all the EA games I have it only accepts the keys from 2, and the other methods simply don't work (They claim the code is invalid, or spit out HTTP errors with stack traces, and clicking the help button leads to a 404 page)
If I could activate any EA game on Origin the service would be pretty damn awesome (especially since EA took their games off Steam), but that just doesn't happen. For me Origin simply exists as an excuse for them to keep their games off Steam.[/QUOTE]
Fucking this, all I want to do is merge my battlefield 2 on my steam account with my origin account for veteran status & to unlock more guns on battlefield 3. I've even contacted their support team and they're like 'yep sry bro not much we can do' :(
[QUOTE=The golden;35809825]No, they're not.
[IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/DD2.PNG[/IMG][/QUOTE]
They still hold most of the market share
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;35833454]Yeah that's right, Origin is what Steam was around the time HL2 came out. It should be obvious that you cannot offer a software equivalent of what another company published in 2003 and expect it to get the same response today. EA is late to the party and now has to deal with that.
And you're missing part of the truth; Steam also became what it is today because it evolved and improved. It would NOT have reached its present popularity if it had remained the same hunk of junk it was on release in the presence of other alternatives; essentially this is the position Origin is in today.
Also nobody had mentioned "XX is doing it for money!!" as far as I know.[/QUOTE]
Joining the market late doesn't mean you will have an amazingly functional, working product compared to the current market leader. Sure EA could have put a bit more effort into the platform before launching it. But they still released a perfectly viable, working platform. Steam wouldn't have evolved and improved if people didn't deal with it and use it, the same way Origin won't evolve until people actually stop bitching about it not being Steam. Valve would have no reason to improve Steam if it didn't have users who were using it constantly, the "Steam got better" argument is flawed for this reason, a platform will not improve until people give it a chance and use it.
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[QUOTE=mobrockers2;35834085]EA has been in this game since 2005, origin is just not evolving as fast and as good as steam.[/QUOTE]
The only bit of Origin that has existed for that long is the download manager. The store integration, community features and such are all new, and are the parts that kinda sorta work.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35835732]Joining the market late doesn't mean you will have an amazingly functional, working product compared to the current market leader.[/QUOTE]
Any reason why not? There's already a working production example, just copy it well and you're good to go.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35835788]Any reason why not? There's already a working production example, just copy it well and you're good to go.[/QUOTE]
Well to be fair, there's always things to expect like having bugs and issues at first
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35835788]Any reason why not? There's already a working production example, just copy it well and you're good to go.[/QUOTE]
That isn't how software development works. And straight up copying the market leader gets you in serious legal trouble. Obviously EA want Origin to compete with Steam, but it has to be different. And the way they develop applications is going to be severely different from Valve.
There's loads of reasons to not have a 100% functional super-application just because there is a working example leading the market.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;35835732]Joining the market late doesn't mean you will have an amazingly functional, working product compared to the current market leader. Sure EA could have put a bit more effort into the platform before launching it. But they still released a perfectly viable, working platform. Steam wouldn't have evolved and improved if people didn't deal with it and use it, the same way Origin won't evolve until people actually stop bitching about it not being Steam. Valve would have no reason to improve Steam if it didn't have users who were using it constantly, the "Steam got better" argument is flawed for this reason, a platform will not improve until people give it a chance and use it.
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The only bit of Origin that has existed for that long is the download manager. The store integration, community features and such are all new, and are the parts that kinda sorta work.[/QUOTE]
The last released version of eadm was almost exactly the same as the first version of origin.
[QUOTE]Joining the market late doesn't mean you will have an amazingly functional, working product compared to the current market leader.[/QUOTE]
You should if you want business. If you can't make a good product you can't expect people to use it. You're making it sound like we're assholes for not giving the obviously lesser product a chance, as if EA is some neglected baby that deserves love.
No, it's EA's responsibility to sort their shit out. EA has feedback sources and tons of money to sink into developing Origin. Yet they don't. Valve had a reason to improve Steam; to get more customers. EA should do the same. Claiming that Origin can't be developed without FIRST having a massive user-base is just wrong.
Lol EA only sees us as lodes-emone
[editline]5th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;35830412]steam circlejerk, how didn't i expect this[/QUOTE]
Because Origin is a electronic game distribution just as Steam is. Because Steam has been doing it right for a while people are going to compare the two and "circlejerk"
I honestly don't blame people for being Steam loyalists, not just because it's Valve, but because the company actually is influenced by their customers unlike EA.
Essentially what you said was, "Oh Pepsi? I knew this would turn into a Coca-Cola circlejerk." It's kind of expected when you're comparing two of the same thing and obviously know which one is better.
Put them on Steam and I'll buy and play them.
Put them on Origin and I'll neither buy nor play them.
You can tell EA is full of bullshit and shareholder ruled from that shit they pulled with removing a game from the App Store because their Song licences expired and they didn't want to renew it, yet not offering anyone their $5 back from buying the app, and still selling it up until the date it is removed and the numerous other dickish moves they've pulled over the years..
Would Valve ever attempt such a ridiculous feat? No.
Valve is privately owned, which means you can't buy shares in them. I'm quite sure Gabe will never sell Valve simply because he enjoys making games, easily makes enough money to afford anything he wants, and he is like the most respected man in PC gaming.
Gabe's a billionaire. Why would he want to sell valve. He can own valve, do nothing and still be rich until he dies.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;35826192]The only reason we can stand it is because Steam adds value to the customers and developers in the form of lots of useful extra features, such as the Workshop, Friends, Community pages, and let's not forget the continuous flow of ultra-good deals that those without Steam will miss out on. In other words, Steam compensates for its inconvenience. Origin on the other hand adds no value to the products it carries and merely becomes an obstacle.
If Origin suddenly added a bunch of features and great offers that made it superior to Steam then Steam would be regarded the same way Origin is today, because few are willing to accept using more than one of this type of software.[/QUOTE]
Then there is the fact that valve is actually decent towards its community, where as EA regularly shits on theirs.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35836398]Gabe's a billionaire. Why would he want to sell valve. He can own valve, do nothing and still be rich until he dies.[/QUOTE]
Gabe doesn't have control over VALVe as far as I recall. Or at least their employee handbook says that Gabe can't tell anyone shit. Oh yeah and everyone is the boss and you can hire people on your first day etc.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;35837023]Gabe doesn't have control over VALVe as far as I recall. Or at least their employee handbook says that Gabe can't tell anyone shit. Oh yeah and everyone is the boss and you can hire people on your first day etc.[/QUOTE]
Gabe's 51% Hold over VALVe, he can whatever the fuck he wants but the employee handbook says that they're giving you free reign to do what you want, as long as you're trying to be productive and don't fuck up too bad it doesn't give Gabe a reason to fire you.
It's the best method when your recruitment is picking out prime candidates and giving them a place to work in at VALVe, they're not constrained by anything and productivity levels in reports have shown that productivity rates go exponentially higher when employee's are given free reign over what they can do.
Gabe chooses not to control Valve because there is no need to. He still has control, power and ownership over it though.
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wehateorigin[/url]
This is a group that I started!
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