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[QUOTE=scout1;39533469]This is funny considering you are saying this in order to ignore my point[/QUOTE] you have no point without completely ignoring whatever i'm saying so what is the point anyways?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39533475]you have no point without completely ignoring whatever i'm saying so what is the point anyways?[/QUOTE] I've laid out my argument, you are clearly refusing to address my point in any shape or form. Kind of pretentious to accuse me of doing what you are doing.
[QUOTE=scout1;39533488]I've laid out my argument, you are clearly refusing to address my point in any shape or form. Kind of pretentious to accuse me of doing what you are doing.[/QUOTE] ok
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39533362]do you have any more stupid shit to say?[/QUOTE] can we compare them to their contemporaries? or is that too fair of a comparison for you?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39533747]can we compare them to their contemporaries? or is that too fair of a comparison for you?[/QUOTE] i dont even know what contemporaries either of you guys are talking about. power has always been centered around the elite, "stable democracy" is a terrible term since they don't really exist without totalitarianism.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39533826]"stable democracy" is a terrible term since they don't really exist without totalitarianism.[/QUOTE] And this folks sums up the average anarcho-communist thread over
[QUOTE=scout1;39533839]And this folks sums up the average anarcho-communist thread over[/QUOTE] i'm not a communist, nor am i really an anarchist. more of a libertarian.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39533869]i'm not a communist, nor am i really an anarchist. more of a libertarian.[/QUOTE] Term yourself what you like, you just called all democracies totalitarian, I don't think we need to go over much more than that
comparing it to the rate of birth is fucking dumb because the population of the earth has varying beliefs
[QUOTE=scout1;39533880]Term yourself what you like, you just called all democracies totalitarian, I don't think we need to go over much more than that[/QUOTE] no i said "stable democracies" require totalitarianism. don't ignore the fact that we get most of our goods from areas that are either authoritarian or have little in the way of human/worker's rights. our economy relies on countries that exploit their people. that has to be taken into account when you talk about modern democracy. even if people here are relatively free and prosperous, we gain that by taking prosperity from others.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39533869]i'm not a communist, nor am i really an anarchist. more of a libertarian.[/QUOTE] fuck this i'm out
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;39533891]comparing it to the rate of birth is fucking dumb because the population of the earth has varying beliefs[/QUOTE] Except that everybody not an anarcho-communist doesn't believe in your world commune and will oppose it [editline]9th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;39533920]no i said "stable democracies" require totalitarianism. don't ignore the fact that we get most of our goods from areas that are either authoritarian or have little in the way of human/worker's rights. [/QUOTE] Since the 80s, this is far from the historical trend [QUOTE=yawmwen;39533920]our economy relies on countries that exploit their people. [/QUOTE] Have you even taken a history course?? [QUOTE=yawmwen;39533920]even if people here are relatively free and prosperous, we gain that by taking prosperity from others.[/QUOTE] Prosperity is not a finite resource...
[QUOTE=scout1;39534002]Since the 80s, this is far from the historical trend [/quote] no it comes from far before the 80s. slavery, the industrial revolution, coups in latin america, oppression is the historical trend. [quote]Have you even taken a history course??[/quote] have you? [quote]Prosperity is not a finite resource...[/QUOTE] that's saying a lot of nothing and ignores the point i was making. our lives are built on the oppression of others. our "stable democracies" that you love so much depend on quasi-slave labor and totalitarian governments. [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39533995]fuck this i'm out[/QUOTE] i knew you would say that. [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] i still love you sobotnik, at least i love you in the paradox games thread <3
[QUOTE=scout1;39534002]Except that everybody not an anarcho-communist doesn't believe in your world commune and will oppose it [/QUOTE] What the fuck are you serious lmao. Bold claim. I'm not an anarcho-communist and I believe in it. So I guess there goes your point.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;39535392]What the fuck are you serious lmao. Bold claim. I'm not an anarcho-communist and I believe in it. So I guess there goes your point.[/QUOTE] You're not an anarcho-communist but you believe in anarcho-communism
[QUOTE=scout1;39538837]You're not an anarcho-communist but you believe in anarcho-communism[/QUOTE]I'm not Christian, but I believe the Bible. [sup][sup][sup]Not really, just making a point.[/sup][/sup][/sup]
[QUOTE=scout1;39538837]You're not an anarcho-communist but you believe in anarcho-communism[/QUOTE] uhm yeah just because you're not an anarchist doesn't mean you oppose it the fuck
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;39540031]uhm yeah just because you're not an anarchist doesn't mean you oppose it the fuck[/QUOTE] So when the violent revolutionaries try to bring anarcho-communism to your neighborhood you'll be supporting them aye
[QUOTE=scout1;39541943]So when the violent revolutionaries try to bring anarcho-communism to your neighborhood you'll be supporting them aye[/QUOTE] the non-violent revolutionaries are better than the violent mobsters who run our economic system.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39541962]the non-violent revolutionaries are better than the violent mobsters who run our economic system.[/QUOTE] the non-violent revolutionaries of civil war spain which he cited, right? "non-violent" [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] PS do tell about the "violent mobsters who run our economic system"
[QUOTE=scout1;39542008]the non-violent revolutionaries of civil war spain which he cited, right? "non-violent" [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] PS do tell about the "violent mobsters who run our economic system"[/QUOTE] just listen to some noam chomsky or look at news.
For the citizens it would go from being a castle to a jail.
[QUOTE=scout1;39541943]So when the violent revolutionaries try to bring anarcho-communism to your neighborhood you'll be supporting them aye[/QUOTE] Anarchy =/= violence. I think you get your views from pop-culture or something [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] The fact you would even suggest there has to be violence for their to be anarchy goes to show how little you actually know about the topic
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;39543078]Anarchy =/= violence. I think you get your views from pop-culture or something [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] The fact you would even suggest there has to be violence for their to be anarchy goes to show how little you actually know about the topic[/QUOTE] [B]You cited violent examples earlier in the thread[/B] I even said that at the top of this page How blind can you be?
[QUOTE=scout1;39543170][B]You cited violent examples earlier in the thread[/B] I even said that at the top of this page How blind can you be?[/QUOTE] the american revolution was violent. the british switch to parliament was violent at many parts. the german transition to democracy was violent. so how do you like your violent democracies scout1? [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] it so happens that revolution has been almost exclusively violent until fairly recently.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39543213]the american revolution was violent. the british switch to parliament was violent at many parts. the german transition to democracy was violent. so how do you like your violent democracies scout1? [editline]10th February 2013[/editline] it so happens that revolution has been almost exclusively violent until fairly recently.[/QUOTE] None of those were violent at all, and took decades of political reform. America, Britain and Germany took until the 20th century to achieve universal suffrage.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39543245]None of those were violent at all, and took decades of political reform. America, Britain and Germany took until the 20th century to achieve universal suffrage.[/QUOTE] so the american revolution, english civil war, glorious revolution, and german revolution did not exist then?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39543213]the american revolution was violent. the british switch to parliament was violent at many parts. the german transition to democracy was violent. so how do you like your violent democracies scout1? [/QUOTE] Sorry but we have 200 other years of peaceful progress on your... nothing
[QUOTE=scout1;39543555]Sorry but we have 200 other years of peaceful progress on your... nothing[/QUOTE] peaceful progress that you owe in large part to anarchist and socialist movements.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39543565]peaceful progress that you owe in large part to anarchist and socialist movements.[/QUOTE] Like the bomb throwers at may day right
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