Spain's Communist Village Is Making The Rest Of The World Look Bad - Polidicks

yawmwen, can you think for yourself without quoting someone else's words? It really makes it seem like you're following as blindly as a straight, white Republicans follow Fox News and treats it as fact.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43142344]yawmwen, can you think for yourself without quoting someone else's words? It really makes it seem like you're following as blindly as a straight, white Republicans follow Fox News and treats it as fact.[/QUOTE] yes because you thought up of capitalism all by yourself. edit: or whatever ideology you ascribe to. added that bit in because I know it's the kind of argument you'd go for. '' but I believe in a mixed economy so you're wrong ''

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;43142363]yes because you thought up of capitalism all by yourself.[/QUOTE] And why does it seem like all the anarchists completely miss the point?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43142344]yawmwen, can you think for yourself without quoting someone else's words? It really makes it seem like you're following as blindly as a straight, white Republicans follow Fox News and treats it as fact.[/QUOTE] other people who are smarter and more eloquent than me are able to explain the position a lot better. i often end up shooting myself in the foot because i am not very articulate.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43142344]yawmwen, can you think for yourself without quoting someone else's words? It really makes it seem like you're following as blindly as a straight, white Republicans follow Fox News and treats it as fact.[/QUOTE] wow, first its WOW MAN READ MORE HISTORY BOOKS, wow dude stop quoting what you've read WOW READ MORE HISTORY BOOKS [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43142382]And why does it seem like all the anarchists completely miss the point?[/QUOTE] what is your point? someone has said something and he agrees with it, must every thought be completely original?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43142382]And why does it seem like all the anarchists completely miss the point?[/QUOTE] If he's quoting, it's because, and I presume, that the text that is quoted resume what he's trying to convey perhaps more eloquently and clearly than what he'd say in his words. But no sweeping generalizations abound with a touch of stupid rhetoric. edit: he said it himself yup.

i love how people were calling yawmwen 'holier than thou' and 'pretentious' when you're all blatantly insulting him [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] re: the stuff about dealing with dangerous individuals and all that, i think that as anarchist society is a voluntary society doing shit like, raping your neighbour or murdering them or robbing them and shit like that is a pretty clear sign you don't want to be apart of the society, personally i think banishment or whatever would make sense, when it comes to someone actively trying to induce tyranny i think execution would make sense and when it comes to people who do shit like that out of mental disorders then 'imprisonment' until the reasons figured out and they can be properly medicated or whatever would make sense [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] why does anarchy always have to be a perfect society? why does every alternative to capitalism always have to be perfect? capitalism certainly isn't. to me anarchy isn't about creating perfect society, it's about creating fair and equal society. and maybe it would have to be trial and error, it's not like we can just one day switch over and it'll be fine, but we've never really had the chance to try since everytime someone does the powers that be decide to destroy them

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142433] re: the stuff about dealing with dangerous individuals and all that, i think that as anarchist society is a voluntary society doing shit like, raping your neighbour or murdering them or robbing them and shit like that is a pretty clear sign you don't want to be apart of the society, personally i think banishment or whatever would make sense, when it comes to someone actively trying to induce tyranny i think execution would make sense and when it comes to people who do shit like that out of mental disorders then 'imprisonment' until the reasons figured out and they can be properly medicated or whatever would make sense [/QUOTE] Yeah, only how do you know who really did it? [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142433] why does anarchy always have to be a perfect society? why does every alternative to capitalism always have to be perfect? capitalism certainly isn't. to me anarchy isn't about creating perfect society, it's about creating fair and equal society. and maybe it would have to be trial and error, it's not like we can just one day switch over and it'll be fine, but we've never really had the chance to try since everytime someone does the powers that be decide to destroy them[/QUOTE] It has to be perfect because you can't improve it.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;43142553]Yeah, only how do you know who really did it? It has to be perfect because you can't improve it.[/QUOTE] you investigate it? what do you mean you can't improve it?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142563]you investigate it? what do you mean you can't improve it?[/QUOTE] Who investigates it? You can't improve on the lack of a system. You just leave everyone to their own devices and hope human nature brings everyone to work together, and it doesn't work, that's it. You can't do anyone else besides make suggestions.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142433] re: the stuff about dealing with dangerous individuals and all that, i think that as anarchist society is a voluntary society doing shit like, raping your neighbour or murdering them or robbing them and shit like that is a pretty clear sign you don't want to be apart of the society, personally i think banishment or whatever would make sense, when it comes to someone actively trying to induce tyranny i think execution would make sense and when it comes to people who do shit like that out of mental disorders then 'imprisonment' until the reasons figured out and they can be properly medicated or whatever would make sense [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] why does anarchy always have to be a perfect society? why does every alternative to capitalism always have to be perfect? capitalism certainly isn't. to me anarchy isn't about creating perfect society, it's about creating fair and equal society. and maybe it would have to be trial and error, it's not like we can just one day switch over and it'll be fine, but we've never really had the chance to try since everytime someone does the powers that be decide to destroy them[/QUOTE] its not that anarchy has to be a perfect society, i just see the idea of it kind of super hypocritical and fall on itself philosophically cause anarchy is against the idea of authority and oppression, but the notion that someone has the power to banish or execute someone implies someone [B]does [/B] have authority in fact, if someone makes law at all, then someone [B]does [/B] have authority to tell someone else that they have to follow them or face consequences the idea is just silly, to be against capitalism because of 'authority' and 'hierarchy' while your system is more or less the same except you have a different resource allocation

[QUOTE=Mingebox;43142579]Who investigates it? You can't improve on the lack of a system. You just leave everyone to their own devices and hope human nature brings everyone to work together, and it doesn't work, that's it. You can't do anyone else besides make suggestions.[/QUOTE] whoevers best at investigating stuff i guess? whoever wants to? [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;43142596]its not that anarchy has to be a perfect society, i just see the idea of it kind of super hypocritical and fall on itself philosophically cause anarchy is against the idea of authority and oppression, but the notion that someone has the power to banish or execute someone implies someone [B]does [/B] have authority in fact, if someone makes law at all, then someone [B]does [/B] have authority to tell someone else that they have to follow them or face consequences the idea is just silly, to be against capitalism because of 'authority' and 'hierarchy' while your system is more or less the same except you have a different resource allocation[/QUOTE] someone being banished or executed for oppressing others isn't oppression

[QUOTE=Mingebox;43142579] You can't improve on the lack of a system.[/QUOTE] good thing anarchists aren't in favor of "lack of a system"

and rather than it being 'someone has authority' it's everyone has authority

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142601] someone being banished or executed for oppressing others isn't oppression[/QUOTE] but on whose authority do you say he/she was oppressing others? if it goes down to two people saying one did it and one didn't, how do you exactly solve this?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;43142626]but on whose authority do you say he/she was oppressing others? if it goes down to two people saying one did it and one didn't, how do you exactly solve this?[/QUOTE] mediation, probably.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;43142626]but on whose authority do you say he/she was oppressing others? if it goes down to two people saying one did it and one didn't, how do you exactly solve this?[/QUOTE] hearsay isn't applicable in our courts now why would it be applicable in courts then?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43142636]mediation, probably.[/QUOTE] if a victim claimed he or she was raped and claimed this person raped him or her but the suspect denies it altogether, who would decide who is telling the truth?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142641]hearsay isn't applicable in our courts now why would it be applicable in courts then?[/QUOTE] Because it's illegal now?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142617]and rather than it being 'someone has authority' it's everyone has authority[/QUOTE] "I say we milk this cow" "Well I say we butcher it for meat" Who does what with the cow? We both have authority.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43142657]"I say we milk this cow" "Well I say we butcher it for meat" Who does what with the cow? We both have authority.[/QUOTE] get everyone to get together and come to a consensus on what is the best use for the cow. i wanna make you all even more furious at my utopia and say we'll all be vegans in the anarchist future anyway [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;43142655]Because it's illegal now?[/QUOTE] hearsay? yes, it's illegal because it's known to be bullshit and isn't useful in coming to proper conclusions, so i'm fairly sure having the knowledge that hearsay can't be used anarchist courts wouldn't use it [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;43142646]if a victim claimed he or she was raped and claimed this person raped him or her but the suspect denies it altogether, who would decide who is telling the truth?[/QUOTE] same way we do it now i guess

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142660]get everyone to get together and come to a consensus on what is the best use for the cow. i wanna make you all even more furious at my utopia and say we'll all be vegans in the anarchist future anyway [/QUOTE] but then someone will disagree on that, therefore you're forcing a decision how to use the cow on him or her. you're using the majority to decide what happens to the cow or using the minority to stop a decision altogether, either way, you have power over someone else [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142660] same way we do it now i guess[/QUOTE] so a jury? a group of people has authority whether or not this person is innocent or guilty of a crime?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142660]get everyone to get together and come to a consensus on what is the best use for the cow. i wanna make you all even more furious at my utopia and say we'll all be vegans in the anarchist future anyway [/quote] And what if no one else cares? It's just us two? [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142660]hearsay? yes, it's illegal because it's known to be bullshit and isn't useful in coming to proper conclusions, so i'm fairly sure having the knowledge that hearsay can't be used anarchist courts wouldn't use it[/QUOTE] Courts? Don't they require some sort of higher authority to exist?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;43142679]but then someone will disagree on that, therefore you're forcing a decision how to use the cow on him or her. you're using the majority to decide what happens to the cow or using the minority to stop a decision altogether, either way, you have power over someone else[/QUOTE] well, it's not like the cow is his anyway [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43142680]And what if no one else cares? It's just us two? Courts? Don't they require some sort of higher authority to exist?[/QUOTE] then come to an agreement with just the two of you. and no i don't think they do

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43142680]And what if no one else cares? It's just us two? [/QUOTE] mediation prolly

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;43142679]so a jury? a group of people has authority whether or not this person is innocent or guilty of a crime?[/QUOTE] okay maybe not the same way we do now cause i don't agree with the jury system. i was more meaning to like, gathering evidence and stuff like that

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediation[/url] please acquaint yourself with these two ideas because they would prove necessary in an anarchist system where conventional courts and legal systems are not in place.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43142708]okay maybe not the same way we do now cause i don't agree with the jury system. i was more meaning to like, gathering evidence and stuff like that[/QUOTE] but one of the biggest reasons why rape is so hard to convict is lack of evidence, and you didnt give me an alternative cause either way, if someone condemns him innocent or guilty in a hearsay crime such as rape, someone has a higher authority to deem it so, and the community may elect that authority like we elect judges or simply majority voteit that kind of sounds like a government or mob rule, not anarchy im not pro-capitalist or saying our system right now is perfect either, i just think anarchism in general is silly cause it contradicts itself, it sounds more like a direct democracy rather than anarchy from what ive been reading here

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43142699]mediation prolly[/QUOTE] Why do you think this will automatically fix everything?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43142745]Why do you think this will automatically fix everything?[/QUOTE] i don't.