Spain's Communist Village Is Making The Rest Of The World Look Bad - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126031][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number[/url] once you break dunbar's number, the society is "large scale"[/QUOTE] The logistical differnce alone between a community of 2500 and 2 million is almost unthinkable. The idea that this will work with millions of people because of some outdated idea is insane

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126113]yea because those first world countries figured out how to repress socialist movements in their countries.[/QUOTE] socialism and capitalism can (and do) coexist i dont see your point

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43126128]socialism and capitalism can (and do) coexist i dont see your point[/QUOTE] where?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126136]where?[/QUOTE] Socialist social programs Capitalism market strategies Mix the best of two worlds

[QUOTE=Atlascore;43126153]Everywhere outside of America.[/QUOTE] There are entities in America in which the factors of production are held in common.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;43126153]Everywhere outside of America.[/QUOTE] like where? western europe and scandinavia are capitalist.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126113]yea because those first world countries figured out how to repress socialist movements in their countries.[/QUOTE] I thought the revolution was delayed due to bad weather.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43126187]I thought the revolution was delayed due to bad weather.[/QUOTE] "the revolution" is an outdated concept that has shown itself to be an unobtainable means of social change due to the nature of capitalism and statism.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126136]where?[/QUOTE] Vietnam is pretty much an Oligarchy Capitalist paradise to say the least. Also, most of the cities in North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana are running at an unemployment rate of 3% or less. Bismarck, North Dakota is actually 2.3%

I agree with Pope Francis on this one. It's 2013 people should not die by hunger or cold, Mark Zuckerberg bought 4 of his neighbors houses just because he could. There is a obvious huge flaw in the capitalistic system if you can buy houses just because you feel like it. It's a "Fuck you" to regular and poor people when you buy 4 of your neighbors houses for fun or doing any disrespectful with your money. It's time something changes. I hope things continue to go well for this village so people might learn from them.

[QUOTE=lirro433;43126214]I agree with Pope Francis on this one. It's 2013 people should not die by hunger or cold, Mark Zuckerberg bought 4 of his neighbors houses just because he could. There is a obvious huge flaw in the capitalistic system if you can buy houses just because you feel like it. [B]It's a "Fuck you" to regular and poor people when you buy 4 of your neighbors houses for fun or doing any disrespectful with your money. [/B]It's time something changes. I hope things continue to go well for this village so people might learn from them.[/QUOTE] I already pay taxes, so no thanks.

[QUOTE=lirro433;43126214]I agree with Pope Francis on this one. It's 2013 people should not die by hunger or cold, Mark Zuckerberg bought 4 of his neighbors houses just because he could. There is a obvious huge flaw in the capitalistic system if you can buy houses just because you feel like it. It's a "Fuck you" to regular and poor people when you buy 4 of your neighbors houses for fun or doing any disrespectful with your money. It's time something changes. I hope things continue to go well for this village so people might learn from them.[/QUOTE] "your money"? I was under the impression it's their own money and they live in a world that allows them to freely do with it as they please. That includes purchasing obnoxious things like houses for friends.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43126227]I already pay taxes, so no thanks.[/QUOTE] that's the way modern economics and statism marginalizes us. "the poor? the isn't MY problem! i pay my taxes, that's the state's problem!"

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43125995]we do that already in capitalism. we work all day to provide a wage so we can survive long enough to work all day the next day.[/QUOTE] Nah, not everybody. And still, if that were true, how come businessmen get profit? I mean, from where do they get their profits? [B][I][U]Someone has to buy all their stuff....[/U][/I][/B] [QUOTE]I agree with Pope Francis on this one. It's 2013 people should not die by hunger or cold, Mark Zuckerberg bought 4 of his neighbors houses just because he could. There is a obvious huge flaw in the capitalistic system if you can buy houses just because you feel like it. It's a "Fuck you" to regular and poor people when you buy 4 of your neighbors houses for fun or doing any disrespectful with your money. It's time something changes. I hope things continue to go well for this village so people might learn from them. [/QUOTE] Pope Francis and the church have nothing agaisnt buying 4 houses just because you feel like it....if you rent those houses and use them in a way other people can also benefit, that is.

[QUOTE=lirro433;43126214]I agree with Pope Francis on this one. It's 2013 people should not die by hunger or cold, Mark Zuckerberg bought 4 of his neighbors houses just because he could. There is a obvious huge flaw in the capitalistic system if you can buy houses just because you feel like it. It's a "Fuck you" to regular and poor people when you buy 4 of your neighbors houses for fun or doing any disrespectful with your money. It's time something changes. I hope things continue to go well for this village so people might learn from them.[/QUOTE] How bout that time he donated half a billion dollars to charity, what a fucking dick

[QUOTE=lirro433;43126214]I agree with Pope Francis on this one. It's 2013 people should not die by hunger or cold, Mark Zuckerberg bought 4 of his neighbors houses just because he could. There is a obvious huge flaw in the capitalistic system if you can buy houses just because you feel like it. It's a "Fuck you" to regular and poor people when you buy 4 of your neighbors houses for fun or doing any disrespectful with your money. It's time something changes. I hope things continue to go well for this village so people might learn from them.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with buying some houses?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126185]like where? western europe and scandinavia are capitalist.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Capitalist economy driving production, with socialist (not communist, two [I]widely[/I] different things) public services and high taxation. Works beautifully. Capitalism is a purely economic system, which can be unified with a social policy like liberalism, conservatism, liberitarianism and socialism for varying results. Communism is a combination of a non-competitive flat-wage econocmic system and socialist policies.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43125960]Thats still an absolutely minuscule amount of people. On that scale I'm sure you could even get Fascism to work wonderfully.[/QUOTE] Yeah well that's what I was getting at.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43126231]"your money"? I was under the impression it's their own money and they live in a world that allows them to freely do with it as they please. That includes purchasing obnoxious things like houses for friends.[/QUOTE] The money that they earn by their job is not worth the effort

[QUOTE=lirro433;43126358]The money that they earn by their job is not worth the effort[/QUOTE] what do you mean

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126240]that's the way modern economics and statism marginalizes us. "the poor? the isn't MY problem! i pay my taxes, that's the state's problem!"[/QUOTE] In theory I already garnish about 5% to 10% of my wages every year to pay for public projects, infrastructure, and other things, such as the overbloated defense budget, which I am not really keen on, and it should be my choice after that point to decide what I wish to do with my finances. If I choose to donate, and help at a Soup Kitchen, so be it. If I earned my money though, why should I be forced to give up most of it when I will not see a general return of mine and several others input into the system. Hardly do we ever actually see any effect from increasing the budget of things, and when we do its because the bureaucratic nonsense around it has been minimized before it went into full effect.

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[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43126410]In theory I already garnish about 5% to 10% of my wages every year to pay for public projects, infrastructure, and other things, such as the overbloated defense budget, which I am not really keen on, and it should be my choice after that point to decide what I wish to do with my finances. If I choose to donate, and help at a Soup Kitchen, so be it. If I earned my money though, why should I be forced to give up most of it when I will not see a general return of mine and several others input into the system. Hardly do we ever actually see any effect from increasing the budget of things, and when we do its because the bureaucratic nonsense around it has been minimized before it went into full effect.[/QUOTE] Earmarks, earmarks, earmarks!

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43126410]In theory I already garnish about 5% to 10% of my wages every year to pay for public projects, infrastructure, and other things, such as the overbloated defense budget, which I am not really keen on, and it should be my choice after that point to decide what I wish to do with my finances. If I choose to donate, and help at a Soup Kitchen, so be it. If I earned my money though, why should I be forced to give up most of it when I will not see a general return of mine and several others input into the system. Hardly do we ever actually see any effect from increasing the budget of things, and when we do its because the bureaucratic nonsense around it has been minimized before it went into full effect.[/QUOTE] 10%? Holy shit so much! You must be starving! Americans.

[QUOTE=Riller;43126419]Their work's economic value and productive output is worth less than the wage they are paid. People who, in a real economy, would be fired for being negatively cost-effective.[/QUOTE] Ah jesus Christ, you just said in 2 sentences that thought/idea my mind formed when I read about keeping people employed by doing jobs like those done in the socialist countries. The bottom issues here in capitalism vs socialism/communism are: Is it right for people to sell their job as they please? Do things "made" by you really belong to you? Even if you agree to give them away?

[QUOTE=Riller;43126346]Exactly. Capitalist economy driving production, with socialist (not communist, two [I]widely[/I] different things) public services and high taxation. Works beautifully. Capitalism is a purely economic system, which can be unified with a social policy like liberalism, conservatism, liberitarianism and socialism for varying results. Communism is a combination of a non-competitive flat-wage econocmic system and socialist policies.[/QUOTE] those aren't socialist public services. socialism is economic. you can't be both capitalist and socialist, you can be one or the other.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126496]those aren't socialist public services. socialism is economic. you can't be both capitalist and socialist, you can be one or the other.[/QUOTE] There's more to socialism than flat wages and government-owned assets, sweetcheeks. You're mixin' up socialism up with purebred, flag-waving communism.

[QUOTE=Riller;43126529]There's more to socialism than flat wages, sweetcheeks.[/QUOTE] what is socialism, to you?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126496]those aren't socialist public services. socialism is economic. you can't be both capitalist and socialist, you can be one or the other.[/QUOTE] You ever hear of this thing called a "mixed economy"?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43126542]You ever hear of this thing called a "mixed economy"?[/QUOTE] a mixed economy has nothing to do with capitalism vs. socialism. it has to do with free market vs central planning.