Spain's Communist Village Is Making The Rest Of The World Look Bad - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Juniez;43155109]its a massive infrastructure and even then you'd have to verify the information on the internet and find a way to filter the very prevalent misinformation out[/QUOTE] people know how to do it now, who is to say they couldn't teach other people?

[QUOTE=Juniez;43155115]tangent: never use the internet for any serious medical advice[/QUOTE] i just mean as a way of providing information for everyone, obviously you'd want someone that's learned some doctoring to do the doctoring

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155121]people know how to do it now, who is to say they couldn't teach other people?[/QUOTE] no way current medical information here is reliable enough to diagnose anything

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155121]people know how to do it now, who is to say they couldn't teach other people?[/QUOTE] Because to produce the equipment necessary would require metals from Africa, factories from Asia and then programmers from the US and Europe. Most of our systems and technologies were built around a global economy based upon capitalism. The internet itself is anarchic but its been shaped to work with capitalism.

[QUOTE=Juniez;43155126]no way current medical information here is reliable enough to diagnose anything[/QUOTE] so it already doesn't work? [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;43155129]Because to produce the equipment necessary would require metals from Africa, factories from Asia and then programmers from the US and Europe. Most of our systems and technologies were built around a global economy based upon capitalism.[/QUOTE] i thought you were a libertarian socialist. i am disappointed :(

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43155097]well the internet goes a long way for providing information to everyone, would it be hard to keep the internet going?[/QUOTE] Electrical maintenance technicians, microcomputer component construction facilities, ability to compensate for atmospheric anomalies and anomalies in the wiring, the requirement for same standards to be able to distribute information, the requirement for people to be using designated bands of data transfer, the requirement to allocate IPs to people, the requirement to allocate addresses to people, the mediation requirements for people getting addresses they do not have nay need for, the ability to compensate for a fuckass with a car battery connecting it to the main transition lines. I could include more positions that need to be included in the maintenance of the internet. Like server ops, mainframe ops, router techs, and all that.

[QUOTE=Juniez;43155126]no way current medical information here is reliable enough to diagnose anything[/QUOTE] the internet has like, all the information though doesn't it? and then there's books too [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=deadoon;43155143]Electrical maintenance technicians, microcomputer component construction facilities, ability to compensate for atmospheric anomalies and anomalies in the wiring, the requirement for same standards to be able to distribute information, the requirement for people to be using designated bands of data transfer, the requirement to allocate IPs to people, the requirement to allocate addresses to people, the mediation requirements for people getting addresses they do not have nay need for, the ability to compensate for a fuckass with a car battery connecting it to the main transition lines. I could include more positions that need to be included in the maintenance of the internet. Like server ops, mainframe ops, router techs, and all that.[/QUOTE] oh well, i guess we can just use books then because i don't understand anything you just said. but then again, maybe someone who does could figure it out?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155131]so it already doesn't work? [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] i thought you were a libertarian socialist. i am disappointed :([/QUOTE] I'm saying for today, the simple fact of the matter of that the metals required for building the equipment are more readily available in Africa and the factories are more readily available in Asia. We can easily make them available in the West, but that would actually make people's lives in Asia worse since because of the factory boom their quality life has been going up.

well the reality is that most manufacturing methods are an incredibly impressive coordination feat spanning countries and continents same could be said for most of our infrastructure [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43155145]the internet has like, all the information though doesn't it? and then there's books too [/QUOTE] it also has all the wrong information :v:

Exactly, the global economy is doing more to remove prejudices than any other force I've seen. You can't afford to be racist in the global market.

[QUOTE=Swilly;43155154]I'm saying for today, the simple fact of the matter of that the metals required for building the equipment are more readily available in Africa and the factories are more readily available in Asia. We can easily make them available in the West, but that would actually make people's lives in Asia worse since because of the factory boom their quality life has been going up.[/QUOTE] why not cooperate directly with the workers of asia and africa to get the things we need while not oppressing them with capitalism?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155168]why not cooperate directly with the workers of asia and africa to get the things we need while not oppressing them with capitalism?[/QUOTE] Its because of capitalism that their lives are getting better. If we could build it ourselves we would, that's my issue with Anarchy. Its all about "Me", not "us".

[QUOTE=Swilly;43155178]Its because of capitalism that their lives are getting better. If we could build it ourselves we would, that's my issue with Anarchy. Its all about "Me", not "us".[/QUOTE] anarchism is all about "us". [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] that's why anti-colonialism has been a major part of the anarchist movement for a long time.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155168]why not cooperate directly with the workers of asia and africa to get the things we need while not oppressing them with capitalism?[/QUOTE] because it's also a reality that many parts of the world need the brutal efficiency that's associated with capitalism and in some cases they need even more than that

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155183]anarchism is all about "us".[/QUOTE] At its core, its about the individual and his/her/(some word for equality) and their right to do whatever they want without oppression. Only 3 systems have been designed against this, Facsism, Socialism and Communism. Anarchiac-Communism takes the individuality/freedom and applies it to a communal structure. So it therefore is about "Me, oh and these other people."

[QUOTE=Swilly;43155178]Its because of capitalism that their lives are getting better. If we could build it ourselves we would, that's my issue with Anarchy. Its all about "Me", not "us".[/QUOTE] what? capitalism is about me and anarchism is about us

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155183]anarchism is all about "us".[/QUOTE] In that it benifits nobody but anarchists, everyone has power of similar level, so nobody has any strive forward. Would the space race have been possible with anarchism? Would the drive for nuclear development been possible? Would computers have been invented, or even if we started now, what is to say they would continue to do so?

[URL]http://www.akpress.org/[/URL] look at how many books an anarchist collective publisher has on post-colonialism, feminism, racism, etc.

[QUOTE=Juniez;43155190]because it's also a reality that many parts of the world need the brutal efficiency that's associated with capitalism and in some cases they need even more than that[/QUOTE] i don't think they need it, it's been forced upon them and no alternative is given a chance

[QUOTE=deadoon;43155211]In that it benifits nobody but anarchists, everyone has power of similar level, so nobody has any strive forward. Would the space race have been possible with anarchism? Would the drive for nuclear development been possible? Would computers have been invented, or even if we started now, what is to say they would continue to do so?[/QUOTE] probably not but you can certainly argue that they aren't completely necessary for our well-being [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43155217]i don't think they need it, it's been forced upon them and no alternative is given a chance[/QUOTE] imo there are a lot of places where the population is grossly disproportionate to what the land's resources can afford, and if you consider the costs of transportation, what's possible even with the help of other lands poverty isn't always created by a conscious decision of the ruling elite - sometimes you just can't distribute enough things fast enough (and that's assuming that we have enough resources to distribute in the first place)

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155213][URL]http://www.akpress.org/[/URL] look at how many books an anarchist collective publisher has on post-colonialism, feminism, racism, etc.[/QUOTE] That's not to say "me" is not important. I'm saying that "me" is something we can't afford now.

[QUOTE=deadoon;43155211]In that it benifits nobody but anarchists, everyone has power of similar level, so nobody has any strive forward. Would the space race have been possible with anarchism? Would the drive for nuclear development been possible? Would computers have been invented, or even if we started now, what is to say they would continue to do so?[/QUOTE] does technological advancement take precedent over freedom from oppression? the soviets won the space race, does that justify stalinism?

[QUOTE=Swilly;43155232]That's not to say "me" is not important. I'm saying that "me" is something we can't afford now.[/QUOTE] those books are about "us"

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43155217]i don't think they need it, it's been forced upon them and no alternative is given a chance[/QUOTE] Explain why we are launching shit out of our control at a planet that is irrelevant to us as of now. The future, if you cannot convince a massive number of people with the skills to do something to strive for something they will never see the real benefits of you are not looking far enough ahead. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43155234]does technological advancement take precedent over freedom from oppression? the soviets won the space race, does that justify stalinism?[/QUOTE] We learned from it, and so did they, we are where we are from it, the methods were more than a little cruel, but you cannot argue with the results. If we get technological progress to the point where human intervention for production and maintenance is no longer needed, we win, and you can have your society without it causing any issue for anyone else due to the space you take up. So long as that space doesn't itself become a premium to live in.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155241]those books are about "us"[/QUOTE] And so is socialism and communism and even capitalism since the entire idea is limit the weaknesses of humans and makes sure only the strengths succeed. Every system states what you're stating, they go about it different ways.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43155213][URL]http://www.akpress.org/[/URL] look at how many books an anarchist collective publisher has on post-colonialism, feminism, racism, etc.[/QUOTE] Saying that there are some anarchists that do X is not the same thing as saying that a belief in anarchism necessarily leads to X. You would need to provide a logical chain connecting the core tenets of anarchism to those specific ideas.

[QUOTE=sgman91;43155352]Saying that there are some anarchists that do X is not the same thing as saying that a belief in anarchism necessarily leads to X. You would need to provide a logical chain connecting the core tenets of anarchism to those specific ideas.[/QUOTE] the core tenant of anarchism is freedom from oppression

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43155379]the core tenant of anarchism is freedom from oppression[/QUOTE] One doesn't necessarily need to oppress anyone to be racist.

[QUOTE=sgman91;43155394]One doesn't necessarily need to oppress anyone to be racist.[/QUOTE] it's an oppressive attitude to have though, i don't think you can be a racist and an anarchist. sure, there are probably racist anarchists but the idea of racism doesn't really make sense in conjunction with it

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43155405]it's an oppressive attitude to have though, i don't think you can be a racist and an anarchist. sure, there are probably racist anarchists but the idea of racism doesn't really make sense in conjunction with it[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, one can believe one race to be superior to others and also believe that it shouldn't be acted on. For example, I'm religious, but I don't at all, in any way, shape, or form want other's who disagree to be oppressed, even though I believe them to be completely wrong about foundational questions of life.