Spain's Communist Village Is Making The Rest Of The World Look Bad - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156124][b]maybe[/b] people in the community go 'well, such & such is trying darn hard to learn his medicines so he can medicine up the rest of us if we get sick, i guess we'll hook him up with some more food even if he isn't going to be able to work as much, then once he's done his learning maybe he can work in the farm a little bit more so someone else can learn something different' i don't know, something like that? the idea of letting someone starve seems pretty bad to me so i just don't imagine that would happen[/QUOTE] Maybe isn't a guarantee.

you can't guarantee everything i guess

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156143]you can't guarantee everything i guess[/QUOTE] I can guarantee I'll be fed tomorrow because I have money. And so will you.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43156147]I can guarantee I'll be fed tomorrow because I have money. And so will you.[/QUOTE] well in my 'IDEAL SOCIETY' you would be guaranteed to be fed too because i don't believe people let others starve to death [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] i can guarantee that despite us being fed because we're well off in society, many will go hungry [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] because we have money

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156153]i can guarantee that despite us being fed because we're well off in society, many will go hungry [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] because we have money[/QUOTE] So are you giving the people who don't have food or money your food and/or money?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43156184]So are you giving the people who don't have food or money your food and/or money?[/QUOTE] so charity is your answer to the victims of capitalism?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156195]so charity is your answer to the victims of capitalism?[/QUOTE] If you're not willing to give away your food/money out of goodwill, why should anyone else do the same?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43156201]If you're not willing to give away your food/money out of goodwill, why should anyone else do the same?[/QUOTE] who says i'm not willing? sure i'm willing, i don't got much to give but i share what i can, that's not the point though, is your answer to the victims of capitalism charity?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156208]who says i'm not willing? sure i'm willing, i don't got much to give but i share what i can, that's not the point though, is your answer to the victims of capitalism charity?[/QUOTE] I should have rephrased it: do you give away your food/money out of goodwill?

this is just your stupid attempt to paint me as some dude that won't practice what he preaches. too bad i'm not able to practice what i preach because our society is completely stacked against anyone who wants to act contrary to it which goes back to the 'act as we do or suffer' [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43156217]I should have rephrased it: do you give away your food/money out of goodwill?[/QUOTE] i prefer to share than to give

Nothing is stopping you from going to a hobo on the street and giving him your food. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] So why haven't you done it already?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43156227]Nothing is stopping you from going to a hobo on the street and giving him your food. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] So why haven't you done it already?[/QUOTE] what exactly are you on about here? [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] that like i said originally, your solution to the problem of capitalisms victims is charity?

How would people in this anarchic society able to produce plentiful food without the technologies used today? If anything ever comes by like unexpected weather change or natural disasters than you're going to severely fucked if the only food before such tragedies are "enough food"

[QUOTE=Matrix374;43156250]How would people in this anarchic society able to produce plentiful food without the technologies used today? If anything ever comes by like unexpected weather change or natural disasters than you're going to severely fucked if the only food before such tragedies are "enough food"[/QUOTE] does technology disappear once you become an anarchist?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156236]what exactly are you on about here?[/QUOTE] My point of this little social experiment was to prove to you are selfish, as per human nature. If you refuse to give your food away out of goodwill, how do you form a society built around doing things out of goodwill? You proved that you won't give away things, so why should anyone else?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43156259]My point of this little social experiment was to prove to you are selfish, as per human nature. If you refuse to give your food away out of goodwill, how do you form a society built around doing things out of goodwill? You proved that you won't give away things, so why should anyone else?[/QUOTE] what? i said i share what i can, i don't exactly have alot to give. human nature. okay nevermind, i'm not gonna argue with you, i fundamentally disagree that greed and selfishness are a part of human nature and you'll never convince me otherwise

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156264]what? i said i share what i can, i don't exactly have alot to give. human nature. okay nevermind, i'm not gonna argue with you, i fundamentally disagree that greed and selfishness are a part of human nature and you'll never convince me otherwise[/QUOTE] Can I have your Facepunch account?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;43156268]Can I have your Facepunch account?[/QUOTE] when we live in an anarchist society i'll share it with you. share the burden of posting

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156272]when we live in an anarchist society i'll share it with you. share the burden of posting[/QUOTE] So it'd be 4chan. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] And why don't you give it to me now? What changes so much that you're more willing to share in a hypothetical anarchist society as opposed to now in reality?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156254]does technology disappear once you become an anarchist?[/QUOTE] Modern Day technologies are definitely hard to come by if all you're doing is living in small communities probably on land with limited resources as Swilly have said you have to rely on a huge global network to get the resources,production and special talent to make it work. If you ever come to a disagreement with any communities and they refuse to trade with you their resources and/or food to make such technologies then there's going to be a huge problem.

Prices and profits are information. It tells us what we need to produce more of and what to produce less of without needing to ask each individual (impossible in any real population of size). What method does an anarchist society have of doing this?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156124]i don't know what more you want me to say? if an army from somewhere else is coming to kill you, then yes, form a militia or whatever to fight them off, if people from within revolt then fight them [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [B]there's nothing wrong with political dissent from within so long as it isn't going to lead to subjugation[/B][/QUOTE]You say this, but also say "If people from within revolt then fight them." Arguably at that point you are undeniably an oppressor. And it goes in to being an enforced way of life than some natural system. Stare in to the abyss and all that.

[QUOTE=Matrix374;43156303]Modern Day technologies are definitely hard to come by if all you're doing is living in small communities probably on land with limited resources as Swilly have said you have to rely on a huge global network to get the resources,production and special talent to make it work. If you ever come to a disagreement with any communities and they refuse to trade with you their resources and/or food to make such technologies then there's going to be a huge problem.[/QUOTE] well, surely if the factories and all that collectivize they'll still be able to produce stuff? if all this stuff is really needed then its to the benefit of everyone to provide those resources to factories and all that i guess [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;43156361]Prices and profits are information. It tells us what we need to produce more of and what to produce less of without needing to ask each individual (impossible in any real population of size). What method does an anarchist society have of doing this?[/QUOTE] everyone gets together and says what they need? to be honest i'm not hugely knowledgeable on the economic sides of things and i'm not going to pretend i am. but i don't think economy takes precedence over freedom and equality [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] i guess you could refer to the stuff yawmwen posted about anarcho-syndicalism or whatever [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43156449]You say this, but also say "If people from within revolt then fight them." Arguably at that point you are undeniably an oppressor. And it goes in to being an enforced way of life than some natural system. Stare in to the abyss and all that.[/QUOTE] except the revolt would have to be one that's against anarchism, therefore they must want a return to or a new form of oppressive governance. like i said, if it doesn't lead to subjugation then go ahead

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156469]except the revolt would have to be one that's against anarchism, therefore they must want a return to or a new form of oppressive governance. like i said, if it doesn't lead to subjugation then go ahead[/QUOTE]So its literally an idea of "Our way or the highway" which is still inherently oppressive. It provides no freedom for dissent or differing views. Conform of die basically. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] You're trying to rationalize it with "But its ok because its to protect the anarchist society" missing the fact that, at that point, you've lost one of the key components of what makes you an anarchist society to begin with.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43156493]So its literally an idea of "Our way or the highway" which is still inherently oppressive. It provides no freedom for dissent or differing views. Conform of die basically.[/QUOTE] no it's not, you can have dissent and differing views, you just can't force them on anyone else

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156506]no it's not, you can have dissent and differing views, you just can't force them on anyone else[/QUOTE]If you're preventing them from enacting them, you're still being oppressive. It shouldn't be that hard to understand and I'm hoping you're capable of understand the issue. And further, you're creating this superiority complex where the only view that is worthy is yours. At every step it is inherently wrong and self-defeating. It's not equality or freedom. Its oppression under a different guise. Its coercion wearing a mask.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43156516]If you're preventing them from enacting them, you're still being oppressive. It shouldn't be that hard to understand and I'm hoping you're capable of understand the issue. And further, you're creating this superiority complex where the only view that is worthy is yours. At every step it is inherently wrong and self-defeating.[/QUOTE] well, it's a voluntary society, they don't have to be apart of it i guess? but no i guess i'm not capable of understanding 'the issue' is it oppressive to stop fascists from taking over? [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] if religious extremists wanted to take over and create a theocracy is it oppressive to stop them?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156528]well, it's a voluntary society, they don't have to be apart of it i guess? but no i guess i'm not capable of understanding 'the issue' is it oppressive to stop fascists from taking over?[/QUOTE]See, this is part of the problem. "If you don't agree, you're fascists." Its intellectually dishonest at best. Calling it a voluntary society is a cop out. You're still going "Our way or the highway." You're still oppressing people by throwing them out for not supporting the status quo, for not falling in line. [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156528]if religious extremists wanted to take over and create a theocracy is it oppressive to stop them?[/QUOTE]Yes, regardless of whether or not they're bad people, its still an oppressive action. But in our society we've acknowledged that these things are necessary evils. Your proposal still goes about this evil, but refuses to acknowledge it, tries to paint it as something nicer or ignore the issue altogether. It's either willful ignorance or willful hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43156553]See, this is part of the problem. "If you don't agree, you're fascists." Its intellectually dishonest at best. Calling it a voluntary society is a cop out. You're still going "Our way or the highway." You're still oppressing people by throwing them out for not supporting the status quo, for not falling in line.[/QUOTE] that's only right in the way that the status quo is that everyones equal and you don't oppress others. i used fascism as an example, i used a theocracy as another. but i guess you consider stopping someone from subjugating you oppression right? [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43156553]Yes, regardless of whether or not they're bad people, its still an oppressive action. But in our society we've acknowledged that these things are necessary evils. Your proposal still goes about this evil, but refuses to acknowledge it, tries to paint it as something nicer or ignore the issue altogether. It's either willful ignorance or willful hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] that's stupid, alright call it a necessary evil so what? i think violence is wrong but i think it's reasonable to use against oppression because violence is all oppressors understand

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43156567]that's only right in the way that the status quo is that everyones equal and you don't oppress others. i used fascism as an example, i used a theocracy as another. but i guess you consider stopping someone from subjugating you oppression right?[/QUOTE]You stop the people from being subjugated by subjugating them. You keep saying you're stopping people from oppressing others, but you're still oppressing people.