Spain's Communist Village Is Making The Rest Of The World Look Bad - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43126462]10%? Holy shit so much! You must be starving! Americans.[/QUOTE] 'Generalizing and national dick waving just makes you look like an ass.' - Confucius

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126555]a mixed economy has nothing to do with capitalism vs. socialism. it has to do with free market vs [B]central planning[/B].[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that's what socialism is.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43126462]10%? Holy shit so much! You must be starving! Americans.[/QUOTE] I get about 100 bucks taken out of my paycheck each week because of taxes. It makes a fucking impact

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43126565]I was under the impression that's what socialism is.[/QUOTE] nope. there is a thing called "free market socialism".

[QUOTE]You ever hear of this thing called a "mixed economy"? [/QUOTE] Socialism: Privates CAN'T own the means of production. Capitalism: Privates CAN own the means of production. Thefore, or it is Capitalism, or it is Socialism. 99% the world is capitalist. USA and Sweden are capitalist.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126496]those aren't socialist public services. socialism is economic. you can't be both capitalist and socialist, you can be one or the other.[/QUOTE] The Nordic model is very much a mixed economy. [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;43126577]Socialism: Privates CAN'T own the means of production. Capitalism: Privates CAN own the means of production. Thefore, or it is Capitalism, or it is Socialism. 99% the world is capitalist. USA and Sweden are capitalist.[/QUOTE] The world doesn't work in absolutes.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126537]what is socialism, to you?[/QUOTE] Common ownership of the factors of production.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;43126577]Socialism: Privates CAN'T own the means of production. Capitalism: Privates CAN own the means of production. Thefore, or it is Capitalism, or it is Socialism. 99% the world is capitalist. USA and Sweden are capitalist.[/QUOTE] Why are these definitions so damn absolute? I don't see utilities in America owned privately.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126575]nope. there is a thing called "free market socialism".[/QUOTE] And there's a thing called liberal socialism. Which is also socialism. And perfectly unifiable with, and more or less tailored for, capitalistic economies.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126575]nope. there is a thing called "free market socialism".[/QUOTE] Then please, explain your definition.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43126462]10%? Holy shit so much! You must be starving! Americans.[/QUOTE] First off, you're an idiot. Second off, we loose about 20-30% of our paychecks to taxes, I don't know what he's talking about with 5-10, federal income is anywhere from 20% up until you file your taxes and maybe get a tax return. We also have this thing called a stupidly low minimum wage, which companies tend to love giving the closest amount to as possible for a job. A minimum wage worker here earns about $930 a month if they work 40 hours, and that's pretty hard to live off if you have anything more than just your self and a very cheap and shit dwelling.

[QUOTE]I don't see utilities in America owned privately. [/QUOTE] But you see other things owned privately.

[QUOTE=draugur;43126602]First off, you're an idiot. Second off, we loose about 20-30% of our paychecks to taxes, I don't know what he's talking about with 5-10, federal income is anywhere from 20% up until you file your taxes and maybe get a tax return. We also have this thing called a stupidly low minimum wage, which companies tend to love giving the closest amount to as possible for a job. A minimum wage worker here earns about $930 a month if they work 40 hours, and that's pretty hard to live off if you have anything more than just your self and a very cheap and shit dwelling.[/QUOTE] Any why do you think you have such a shitty minimum wage? Because you pay no fucking taxes..

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;43126605]But you see other things owned privately.[/QUOTE] You're ignoring my point.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43126599]Then please, explain your definition.[/QUOTE] where the means of production are held in common, as sobotnik said. in communism, a workplace would be owned by the community and managed by the workers. in a market socialist system, the factory would be owned by the workers and the workers would be completely free to profit off the goods produced at the factory.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43126621]Any why do you think you have such a shitty minimum wage? Because you pay no fucking taxes..[/QUOTE] Are you sure you know how employment and the basics of economics work?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126631]where the means of production are held in common, as sobotnik said. in communism, a workplace would be owned by the community and managed by the workers. in a market socialist system, the factory would be owned by the workers and the workers would be completely free to profit off the goods produced at the factory.[/QUOTE] "Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, [B]state ownership[/B], citizen ownership of equity, [B]or any combination of these.[/B]" [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism[/url]

a mixed economy decides how prices are determined. a free market has prices determined solely by supply/demand. a central economy has prices determined by government planners. a mixed economy has a mix of the two.

that we have the ability to adequately feed, house, and provide healthcare to everyone yet do not feels absolutely wrong to me

[QUOTE=snapshot32;43126656]Are you sure you know how employment and the basics of economics work?[/QUOTE] Not at all I just like to call Americans out on complaining about taxes.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43126627]You're ignoring my point.[/QUOTE] Which is? You are right, Im not getting it.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43126658]"Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, [B]state ownership[/B], citizen ownership of equity, [B]or any combination of these.[/B]" [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism[/url][/QUOTE] yea but nowhere in the "developed world" is there a "combination of these". it's a mix of private and state ownership, which means it is not socialist.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43126673]Not at all I just like to call Americans out on complaining about taxes.[/QUOTE] You apparently don't know how much it effects people

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126691]yea but nowhere in the "developed world" is there a "combination of these". it's a mix of private and state ownership, which means it is not socialist.[/QUOTE] Do you only deal in absolutes? Are you an actual, real-life Sith lord?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;43126675]Which is? You are right, Im not getting it.[/QUOTE] This: [QUOTE=RautaPalli;43126586] The world doesn't work in absolutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126691]yea but nowhere in the "developed world" is there a "combination of these". it's a mix of private and state ownership, which means it is not socialist.[/QUOTE] Socialist organisations exist outwith the state. A government can choose to nationalize an industry, which could be an example of socialism (if you had trade onions running it and stuff).

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;43126700]You apparently don't know how much it effects people[/QUOTE] I don't care how much it affects people. It's your democratically chosen government, and you're not paying a lot of taxes, stop complaining.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43126673]Not at all I just like to call Americans out on complaining about taxes.[/QUOTE] So essentially needless shitflinging for the sake of argument. How pedestrian and asinine.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43126691]yea but nowhere in the "developed world" is there a "combination of these". it's a mix of private and state ownership, which means it is not socialist.[/QUOTE] So if you have a country where literally every single business in that nation is owned by works or the state save one little Mom & Pop Shop, then it cannot possibly be considered socialist one bit?

[QUOTE=mobrockers;43126673]Not at all I just like to call Americans out on complaining about taxes.[/QUOTE] Only a bloody Dutchman.