Dead man found in California with over FIVE MILLION DOLLARS worth of guns, TWO TONS of Ammo - Polidicks

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48305527]The hell? The Revolution started because our demands to the British, equal representation in Parliament, went unheard while they tried to keep taxing and taxing us without our consent. That's what lead to smuggling and all the anti-British activities, because they were essentially using us as a cheap labor force and a cheap resource hub. We even went so far after Lexington and Concord as to send a message to Charles declaring we do not want war with them, just the equal representation in Parliament we have been trying to win the right to. When he flat out refused, so did we and the Declaration of Independence was created to found our Country.[/QUOTE] This is a simplification they taught in high school. The reality is that mercantilism (which every empire in europe at the time practiced) was cutting into american paychecks.

Oh boy. [QUOTE=proboardslol;48305414]1.) it shows the paranoia of gun owners[/QUOTE]lol no it doesn't, holy shit get over yourself, it's the literal purpose of the 2nd Amendment. [QUOTE=proboardslol;48305414]2.) if the government ever did become a fascist dictatorship, the exact kind of people who would support it would be the right wing republicans who clamor over the second amendment. The government has done horrible things before and did the right wingers do anything about it? No, because they were BEHIND it[/QUOTE] See this is why whenever somebody who says "ya lol gun owners are so paranoid!!" doesn't know what they're talking about because not only are they condescending as they say, "settle down you conservative, bible-thumping retard nobody is going to take your grandaddy's hunting rifle away," but they absolutely do not even know what they're talking about [i]in the first place.[/i] No, there are more than two kinds of people in this country and it boils down to a hell of a lot more than being a liberal/conservative. Hell, even if your statement was accurate and there's some Republican hivemind controlled by the NRA or whatever the hell, people do often change their minds especially since fascist governments aren't any fun at all. I'd argue though that out of all the shit that's come down the pike, it doesn't seem to follow party lines at all because attacks on the 1st Amendment (and others) have come from both Democrats and Republicans pretty equally. [QUOTE=proboardslol;48305414]3.) You really think the individual gun owners of america would stand a chance against the US Army?[/QUOTE] Yeah. I do. Likely a faction would break off from the military much in the same way that the FSA broke from the Syrian military early in the civil war. (largely sparking the civil war) Not only that but Afghanistan has shown that simple farmers with small arms and good knowledge of the terrain can slow military operations considerably. Simply put, a conventional military is at a disadvantage in general when it comes to fighting an insurgency, especially so if the insurgency has the public's support. (which it would, even if it didn't come from the magical "gun owner" hivemind) You can argue that normal people don't have fighter jets and tanks, but do you [i]really[/i] think that fighter jets and tanks can operate without the supply chain being interrupted? Not for very long. [QUOTE=proboardslol;48305414][Gun Companies] -> $ -> [NRA] -> $ -> [Congress][/QUOTE]Why don't you just quote Loose Change or something like that at me while you're at it? Conspiracy theories don't interest me, if you have some legitimate evidence that "the Gun Companies" are influencing congress via the NRA, post it.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;48287389]Eh. After a war for our independence, it made sense to include into the constitution a worst case scenario for the people to still have a voice for if/when the government started ignoring it and having its own. We own 42% of the world's firearms. I have 3. When it comes down to protecting yourself, gun trumps everything. It's foolish to not own one these days. Put a police officer every 2 blocks all across the country and I'll give them up. But since that's impossible...[/QUOTE] I can understand that in America, where lots of people allready OWN a gun, suddenly heavily outlawing them would cause massive problems. Over here in the UK at least a combination of controls coupled with (what at least should be) a more comprehensive police force means civilians need not concern themselves with having to protect themselves from highly lethal threats. An almost chivalry type mindset where the state protects the people, and that if the people think they nation is unsafe they can join the army. Personally I do not see the appeal of owning a gun when self defence is not the concern, sure a day at a firing range might be a laugh, but in that case I assume you should be able to rent one for the day. I also do not see the point in having fully active heavy duty military grade firearms, I hear some people say they are "Collectors items" but in that case should they be deactivated I think.

[QUOTE=thisguy123;48306802]I can understand that in America, where lots of people allready OWN a gun, suddenly heavily outlawing them would cause massive problems. Over here in the UK at least a combination of controls coupled with (what at least should be) a more comprehensive police force means civilians need not concern themselves with having to protect themselves from highly lethal threats. An almost chivalry type mindset where the state protects the people, and that if the people think they nation is unsafe they can join the army. Personally I do not see the appeal of owning a gun when self defence is not the concern, sure a day at a firing range might be a laugh, but in that case I assume you should be able to rent one for the day. I also do not see the point in having fully active heavy duty military grade firearms, I hear some people say they are "Collectors items" but in that case should they be deactivated I think.[/QUOTE] Would you want to own a 1969 Corvette Stingray with the engine removed because it's "unsafe to drive?" I wouldn't, and I sure as hell don't want to buy a gun that doesn't shoot.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48306032]Oh boy. lol no it doesn't, holy shit get over yourself, it's the literal purpose of the 2nd Amendment. See this is why whenever somebody who says "ya lol gun owners are so paranoid!!" doesn't know what they're talking about because not only are they condescending as they say, "settle down you conservative, bible-thumping retard nobody is going to take your grandaddy's hunting rifle away," but they absolutely do not even know what they're talking about [i]in the first place.[/i] No, there are more than two kinds of people in this country and it boils down to a hell of a lot more than being a liberal/conservative. Hell, even if your statement was accurate and there's some Republican hivemind controlled by the NRA or whatever the hell, people do often change their minds especially since fascist governments aren't any fun at all. I'd argue though that out of all the shit that's come down the pike, it doesn't seem to follow party lines at all because attacks on the 1st Amendment (and others) have come from both Democrats and Republicans pretty equally. Yeah. I do. Likely a faction would break off from the military much in the same way that the FSA broke from the Syrian military early in the civil war. (largely sparking the civil war) Not only that but Afghanistan has shown that simple farmers with small arms and good knowledge of the terrain can slow military operations considerably. Simply put, a conventional military is at a disadvantage in general when it comes to fighting an insurgency, especially so if the insurgency has the public's support. (which it would, even if it didn't come from the magical "gun owner" hivemind) You can argue that normal people don't have fighter jets and tanks, but do you [i]really[/i] think that fighter jets and tanks can operate without the supply chain being interrupted? Not for very long. Why don't you just quote Loose Change or something like that at me while you're at it? Conspiracy theories don't interest me, if you have some legitimate evidence that "the Gun Companies" are influencing congress via the NRA, post it.[/QUOTE] The military isn't even threat to Americans. Yeah, a few troops would follow NWO orders, but most would put down their arms or turn against the shadow government. Even assuming the whole military is evil, it can only muster about two million troops or one troop for every 150 Americans. Nevermind that all that fancy killing technology will be useless when the vast economic, political, and industrial logistics that support it will break apart during a civil war.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48305989]This is a simplification they taught in high school. The reality is that mercantilism (which every empire in europe at the time practiced) was cutting into american paychecks.[/QUOTE] No, it's not, it's literally the exact fucking reason why we broke away from England.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48305989]This is a simplification they taught in high school. The reality is that mercantilism (which every empire in europe at the time practiced) was cutting into american paychecks.[/QUOTE] Mate that's a straight up lie told by the British education system to try to justify our refusal to give the Americans proper representation in the Parliament. I was born and raised in Britain and even I know that's a total lie. It wasn't all black and white as either "Americans where greedy businessmen." Or "British hate freedom."

Yup, those guns are for sporting :terrists:

I honestly dont see a point in why you would need a gun? I have no need for it all since if you wanna break into my aparment doors, then you will pretty much need C4 or a big fucking gun which are not to common in Stockholm. Surely so do we have Malmö in Sweden where people get shot pretty much every week due to rival gangs so stricter gun laws in the US wont stop criminals from getting there hands on guns, but from what I have experinced and seen so dont I see how I would have a good use for a pistol or any kind of gun.

[QUOTE=paul simon;48281144] Where I live, we have self defense. It's called having a lock on our door, and a phone to call the police with. We don't need more. I know you need more, but I think that is weird and I wish you didn't have it that way.[/QUOTE] It's less about self defense at home and more about self defense outside of it. The thing with us needing it more is simply because the amount of cultural diversity we enjoy here comes at a price. Group tensions are still a very real thing. Just look at the Koreans and the Afro Americans during the LA riots. It's because of this diversity and social tensions that a lot of crimes are committed out of spite – so when we go downtown, we might feel the need to pack some heat. [editline]27th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=theobod;48308744] if you wanna break into my aparment doors, then you will pretty much need C4 or a big fucking gun which are not to common in Stockholm.[/QUOTE] I am a Big Fucking Gun 9000. Again, this goes into the difference between home defense and defense out on the streets. I would wager that self-defense situations occur much more out on the streets than in your home. Of course home breakins still occur but I'm just trying to iterate a difference.

Out on the streets yeah, but the area I live in is not a place where that happens and I dont think anyone around here has been randomly attacked out on the street for years. I live in a really calm area. And overall in Stockholm so does that not happen very often, if you get shot, stabbed or beat up by several people then you are most likely in a gang that some other gang does not like.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;48307006]Would you want to own a 1969 Corvette Stingray with the engine removed because it's "unsafe to drive?" I wouldn't, and I sure as hell don't want to buy a gun that doesn't shoot.[/QUOTE] As a collectors item it might be worth it (provided the space) but I sure as hell would buy a [URL="http://www.tanks-alot.co.uk/sales.htm"]tank with it's gun deactivated.[/URL]

[QUOTE=theobod;48308894]Out on the streets yeah, but the area I live in is not a place where that happens and I dont think anyone around here has been randomly attacked out on the street for years. I live in a really calm area. And overall in Stockholm so does that not happen very often, if you get shot, stabbed or beat up by several people then you are most likely in a gang that some other gang does not like.[/QUOTE] Oh wait you don't live in Sweden?

[QUOTE=BFG9000;48309000]Oh wait you don't live in Sweden?[/QUOTE] I do.

[QUOTE=thisguy123;48308970]As a collectors item it might be worth it (provided the space) but I sure as hell would buy a [URL="http://www.tanks-alot.co.uk/sales.htm"]tank with it's gun deactivated.[/URL][/QUOTE] I'd think about it, but I'd first look for one with the gun active. Apparently it's legal to own one as long as they're already in Canada, the government just won't approve the importation of anymore live ones. And even car collectors don't buy cars that don't work. And if they do, they find and engine to put in it.

[QUOTE=theobod;48308894]Out on the streets yeah, but the area I live in is not a place where that happens and I dont think anyone around here has been randomly attacked out on the street for years. I live in a really calm area. And overall in Stockholm so does that not happen very often, if you get shot, stabbed or beat up by several people then you are most likely in a gang that some other gang does not like.[/QUOTE] This isn't a reality for a lot of places in America unfortunately. Your no-name rural small towns and mid west farming towns aren't going to see a lot of crime but holy shit is it common in any downtown or even suburban areas. Why do I need a gun? To defend myself. Why do I need to defend myself? Because everyone has a gun. It's not a pretty cycle, and it's not something that can be broken by a completely unrealistic and likely impossible to implement ban on guns because we don't have a gun culture as much as we do a gun saturation. The visible gun culture comes from a vocal minority and decades of military propaganda.

"I don't see why people want a gun..." See, as a gun owner, I don't see why people wouldn't want one. They can be used for fun, by themselves they are not dangerous at all, and as long as you know firearms safety rules, etc, you are fine. I own 5 guns in total, that number will be going up soon. I own over a thousand rounds of ammo. This should not scare anyone but it does. I'm not paranoid, most gun owners are not. We have a hobby, and/or we use guns for self defense, hunting, etc. I dislike when people who get afraid over objects suddenly feel the need to dictate what I can and can not own.