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[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695106] Again, I'm not saying that he's not misogynistic(he is)[/QUOTE] so you're arguing for the sake of arguing [editline]1[/editline] you guys want to cry about gender and sex double standards? why don't you start a revolution and shave all of your body hair, pluck your eyebrows, cake on make-up every day, give up ownership of your body, lower your wages, and do all of the other things that men force onto women? [editline]1[/editline] while we're on the subject, please list gender and sex double standards which negatively affect men in any meaningful way. I really can't think of any [editline]1[/editline] male privilege feels pretty damn good

[QUOTE=Dori;37695260] you guys want to cry about gender and sex double standards? why don't you start a revolution and shave all of your body hair, pluck your eyebrows, cake on make-up every day, give up ownership of your body, lower your wages, and do all of the other things that men force onto women? [/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? Men don't force those things on women (Not including the wage gap, that's a pretty good example of misogyny and I've never denied that misogyny exists). And what on earth are you talking about giving up your body? If you're talking about banning abortion, there are PLENTY of female politicians fighting against it, and an equal amount fighting against condoms. Here's some of them, before you go on your typical "HUER DUER CITE SOURCES" fit [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/renee-ellmers-north-carolina%E2%80%99s-2nd-district[/url] [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/diane-black-tennessee%E2%80%99s-6th-district[/url] [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/marsha-blackburn-tennessee%E2%80%99s-7th-district[/url] [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/ann-marie-buerkle-new-york%E2%80%99s-24th-district[/url] [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/diana-irey-vaughan-pennsylvania-state-treasurer[/url] [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/michele-bachmann-minnesota%E2%80%99s-6th-district-0[/url] [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/virginia-foxx-north-carolina%E2%80%99s-5th-district[/url] [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/karen-harrington-floridas-23rd-district[/url] [url]http://www.sba-list.org/endorsed-candidates/vicky-hartzler-missouri%E2%80%99s-4th-district[/url] You want to talk about double standards not affecting men? How about the fact that if you have sex with someone and they lie about being on the pill, your condom breaks, etc. and you're the male, if the woman doesn't want to abort then you're stuck paying child support for 18-21 years. Even then, she's not obligated to let you ever see the child if you weren't married.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695781]What the fuck are you talking about? Men don't force those things on women[/QUOTE] yes they do [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695781] You want to talk about double standards not affecting men? How about the fact that if you have sex with someone and they lie about being on the pill, your condom breaks, etc. and you're the male, if the woman doesn't want to abort then you're stuck paying child support for 18-21 years. Even then, she's not obligated to let you ever see the child if you weren't married.[/QUOTE] an unfortunate side-effect of forcing women to be primary care-takers and house-makers for thousands of years

[QUOTE=Dori;37695843]yes they do [/QUOTE] Care to elaborate on this one?

[QUOTE=Dori;37695843]yes they do [/QUOTE] uh no, they don't [quote] an unfortunate side-effect of forcing women to be primary care-takers and house-makers for thousands of years[/quote] I really don't care what happened in the past for this argument, I'm dealing in the present where people are getting fucked over because of this which is exactly what you requested.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695781] You want to talk about double standards not affecting men? How about the fact that if you have sex with someone and they lie about being on the pill, your condom breaks, etc. and you're the male, if the woman doesn't want to abort then you're stuck paying child support for 18-21 years. Even then, she's not obligated to let you ever see the child if you weren't married.[/QUOTE] wait how is that a double standard???

[QUOTE=thisispain;37695907]wait how is that a double standard???[/QUOTE] If a woman were to do the same thing she could just have it aborted, while men don't have that option and are forced to pay child support regardless.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695873]uh no, they don't[/QUOTE] eloquent [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695873]I really don't care what happened in the past for this argument, I'm dealing in the present where people are getting fucked over because of this which is exactly what you requested. [/QUOTE] what you posted really has no bearing on this argument. being expected to take care of a child which you are partially responsible for bringing into existence is not a double standard

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695923]If a woman were to do the same thing she could just have it aborted, while men don't have that option and are forced to pay child support regardless.[/QUOTE] that is not what a double standard is at all, that is something that is literally completely opposite for both sides of it, to be a double standard the situation has to be the same for both parties

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695923]If a woman were to do the same thing she could just have it aborted[/QUOTE] yes, because it is a part of their body. all you did was fuck them. they have to sustain the life of a parasite for 9 months

[QUOTE=thisispain;37695907]wait how is that a double standard???[/QUOTE] The woman didn't take her share of the responsibility, and it isn't his fault the condom broke. She gets all of the rights simply because she is the mother. You're forced to pay for a child that wouldn't have been born if the woman had not lied about taking the pill, too. People take 'their body' rights way too heavily, and that disrupts equality.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695923]If a woman were to do the same thing she could just have it aborted, while men don't have that option and are forced to pay child support regardless.[/QUOTE] a woman can't do the same thing it would be a double standard if men could get pregnant it's only a double standard of it's a similar situation. a woman having an abortion is making a choice based about her own body, a man doesn't have that option because he's not bearing the child. and you're not stuck doing anything, that's a complete lie. if you can prove to the child support court that you were fooled or tricked into having a child you will not be forced to pay child support.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37695923]while men don't have that option and are forced to pay child support regardless.[/QUOTE] sucks for you. you are responsible for the damn thing

[QUOTE=Dori;37695959]sucks for you. you are responsible for the damn thing[/QUOTE] actually did you know that birth requires the input of both a male [I]and [/I]a female otherwise it generally cannot happen? fascinating stuff

[QUOTE=Dori;37695947]yes, because it is a part of their body. all you did was fuck them. they have to sustain the life of a parasite for 9 months[/QUOTE] Without you it wouldn't be the parasite, you should have a say over its existence regardless of nature. It shouldn't matter if it is technically part of her body.

[QUOTE=Dori;37695959]sucks for you. you are responsible for the damn thing[/QUOTE] Yet if a man were to try and take custody of the child, and withhold visitation rights from the woman, [B]and[/B] make requests for child support, they would be denied.

[QUOTE=Doomish;37695967]actually did you know that birth requires the input of both a male [I]and [/I]a female otherwise it generally cannot happen? fascinating stuff[/QUOTE] yes, and child care requires the input of both a male and a female. you can't just fuck women and run off

no because that's forcing someone to undergo pain and intense psychological suffering for 9 months.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;37695980]Yet if a man were to try and take custody of the child, and withhold visitation rights from the woman, [B]and[/B] make requests for child support, they would be denied.[/QUOTE] no

[QUOTE=Dori;37695989]no[/QUOTE] What country do you live in, out of curiosity?

[QUOTE=Ardosos;37695980]Yet if a man were to try and take custody of the child, and withhold visitation rights from the woman, [B]and[/B] make requests for child support, they would be denied.[/QUOTE] [citation needed]

[QUOTE=Dori;37695986]yes, and child care requires the input of both a male and a female. you can't just fuck women and run off[/QUOTE] women can't just fuck you and run off either! oh shit its a double standard those are apparently always bad things forever nowadays

[QUOTE=Doomish;37696000]women can't just fuck you and run off either! oh shit its a double standard those are apparently always bad things forever nowadays[/QUOTE] what are you even arguing?

[QUOTE=Dori;37696003]what are you even arguing?[/QUOTE] i am arguing that this has nothing to do with chris brown beating up a woman a couple years ago and the whole thing is just serving as a distraction from the main point of the thread, why, what are you arguing

[QUOTE=Dori;37695935]eloquent [/quote] And yet you still have not backed up this point [quote] what you posted really has no bearing on this argument. being expected to take care of a child which you are partially responsible for bringing into existence is not a double standard[/QUOTE] Yes, it does. Mothers can opt-out of a pregnancy at any time they want, regardless of what the other partner thinks, even though they were both responsible for its creation. I'd understand this if all ties were severed if the male didn't want it but the female did, but the male ends up needing to pay out of pocket to sustain it regardless of what he thinks. [QUOTE=Dori;37695947]yes, because it is a part of their body. all you did was fuck them. they have to sustain the life of a parasite for 9 months[/QUOTE] Or if the other partner didn't want it, and the mother wasn't willing to bear the burden of the child alone she could abort it

[QUOTE=Doomish;37696008] i am arguing that this has nothing to do with chris brown beating up a woman a couple years ago and the whole thing is stupid[/QUOTE] nobody is asking you to post [editline]16th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37696010] Yes, it does. Mothers can opt-out of a pregnancy at any time they want[/QUOTE] because it is their body

[QUOTE=Dori;37696003]what are you even arguing?[/QUOTE] Who you are born as, and how your body works shouldn't fucking dictate equality, that's what he is saying. Doesn't matter if a woman is bearing the child, [b]the child wouldn't exist if it wasn't for both her and her partner[/b]. A father should have just as much of a legal say in the existence of his child as a mother.

[QUOTE=Dori;37696020] because it is their body[/QUOTE] According to you the males are responsible because they shared equal responsibility in creating it, so they should have the equal ability to opt out of caring for the child. [editline]17th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37696039]Who you are born as, and how your body works shouldn't fucking dictate equality, that's what he is saying. Doesn't matter if a woman is bearing the child, [B]the child wouldn't exist if it wasn't for both her and her partner[/B]. A father should have just as much of a legal say in the existence of his child as a mother.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with this, but fathers should be able to opt out of child support if the baby wasn't intentional. As long as the mother wants the child, it shouldn't die- but the other party shouldn't be held responsible for it if they don't want it.

yeah you said the what but you didn't say why double standards only apply to similar situations. a man would have to force a woman to undergo 9 months of intense pain and possible psychological suffering. a woman doing it would inflict no such thing on the man and the idea that he's FORCED to pay child support is a total lie.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37696044]According to you the males are responsible because they shared equal responsibility in creating it, so they should have the equal ability to opt out of caring for the child.[/QUOTE] a man is responsible in that he fucked and came in a woman. that's where his involvement stops. under your system, aborting a fetus because it is the result of rape or incest would be a double standard. after all, he should have a say as well