[QUOTE=Jouska;51338909]The other option literally gotten away with an crime she intentionally commited and tried to hide. She then used her status to get away with it.
That screamed dictator to alot of people go figure. The obvious attempts by the media to shove her down our throats were also a factor.
Dont get how people are so shock with 2 horrible canditates we were given.[/QUOTE]
And Trump is a swindler who scammed people out of their money by making a fake university, but when it comes down to the two candidates we had one at least had experience and a party platform that wasn't awful.
Wow... Right when Trump started his speech, the first snow began to fall outside my window. Winter is finally here!
I try to assure myself that I won't be affected much by this but I just feel so sorry for the american LGBT community (I'm bi and I have a boyfriend) and muslims who are very likely to have their rights taken away. Not to mention the people who will literally DIE because they won't be able to afford whatever treatment they need to survive. Oh yeah, I guess we can kiss our environment good bye as well...
Just read Totalbiscuit's take on this whole thing. It's a sad day for a lot of people.
[url]https://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit/p/126163861478676654[/url]
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;51338922]Hillary was against gay marriage until she found out it was popular.
Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
So she changed her stance for the better, how terrible
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51338841]Why can't you guys at least concede you have intentionally acted against the interests of the LGBT community? You have for all intents and purposes harmed them when the gay marriage is federally over turned.
What's to enjoy about that?[/QUOTE]
[video]https://youtu.be/K-IFcCY0m3E[/video]
I don't believe for one second you care about anything else but to push an agenda to use vulnerable people as a shield, as a way to cynically make money and gain power for yourself. When it comes down to it, the left when given enough power get just as scary (if not worse!) as Christians during the Satanic panic days.
Abuse in any guise is wrong. It was how the SJW crap got started (by abusive righties) when they were told to back down, led to the rise of leftist bullies who cry "BIGOT" whenever they don't get their way.
Its the same disgusting behavior. On the right, its ok to beat the fuck outa people cause its to promote "the good faith". On the left its any one who may have a better idea to solves the issues you care about, but because they are not conforming, they get threatened or treated like shit. Which surprise!, generates another round of abuse and trauma.
Maybe if we quit treating people like shit (just for giggles) is maybe the world will cease being shitty?
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;51338922]Hillary was against gay marriage until she found out it was popular.
Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter, for gay marriage now, would have made measures and voted for it. I think it's logical to consider candidates based off of what they'll do for you, don't you?
[QUOTE=Jouska;51338909]The other option literally gotten away with an crime she intentionally commited and tried to hide. She then used her status to get away with it.
That screamed dictator to alot of people go figure. The obvious attempts by the media to shove her down our throats were also a factor.
Dont get how people are so shock with 2 horrible canditates we were given.[/QUOTE]
I dont care, I really just do not fucking care about the emails anymore. If they scream dictator to you then you're mentally unstable. I dont want to believe that anyone would ever vote for someone who wants to degrade, despise, disparage and disenfranchise me over someone who wouldnt because of a "crime" they werent convicted of.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51338880]Yeah let me know when you guys are forced to wear LGBT symbols on your clothes and get sent to concentration camps.
Trump dont have the power to do shit.[/QUOTE]
Disregarding the fact that Trump will be working with a Republican-leaning government as they've managed to retain the House and have a slight majority in the Senate, Trump is running on the GOP platform which has vowed to defend "traditional" marriage between a man and a woman by overturning the gay marriage ruling, he's got Mike Pence as his VP who is staunchly anti-LGBT, conversion camps not even factored into that, and has said that he believes that the matter of gay marriage is a states' rights issue and not a matter of the federal government. Just coming into his presidency he's got an empty Supreme Court seat to fill with a highly conservative judge, along with potentially more seats.
If you want to invoke Godwin for the purpose of building a strawman to fight, go ahead, but Trump and the platform he represents has laid out an agenda to work against recent developments in civil rights for LGBT folk, and there is no reason to believe that he would not work to support the agenda of the party he represents.
This puts the entire concept of a "Silent Majority" into perspective.
None of the polls or media predicted this
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;51338922]Hillary was against gay marriage until she found out it was popular.
Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
And then supported it to an ever increasing degree as the years went back without ever regressing. As opposed to Trump who wants to overrule the DOMA decision and leave it up to the states.
hmmmm it really makes u think
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51338651]Why the fuck were you being antagonistic against us independents who weren't going to vote for Trump?
Instead of offering good arguments for Hillary and not being smarmy cunts while you were at it the lot of FP's Democrats said we're stupid and nitpicked our candidates. "'No Roads' Johnson!" "What is Aleppo? LOL" "People who vote libertarian are retards so you should pick Hillary who has a chance to win." You know who didn't do that shit? FP Republicans.
You made your bed, now lie in it.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much exactly this. I'm heavily left leaning, but put extensive value on personal liberties and freedom. Bit of a socialist oxymoron in that sense. Bernie isn't a perfect fit for my views, but he's better than damn near any candidate in history.
I didn't vote for Trump because he's categorically fucking insane. I didn't vote for Hillary because she's a corrupt establishment shill. I didn't and don't want things to burn to the ground, but I personally refused to vote for either of these candidates. For my views I have been repeatedly attacked and labeled a racist, a misogynist, a narrow minded republican shill, and every other triggered buzzword under the sun, but practically exclusively by people on the left, specifically because I have refused to 'fall in line' with those who think I have some duty to vote for Hillary.
It's very easy to see why someone who is less informed, or who is inclined to give a fuck about what others think of them, would react negatively to this behavior, and aggressively or violently at that. That is how people like trump gain power. There are always the fringe wingnuts that will support them regardless of circumstance, but they are a tiny minority. Their true power comes from the votes of those disenfranchised by those they would otherwise call their peers.
[QUOTE=froztshock;51338895]He said that federal gay marriage being overturned was a part of the trump pence platform, nothing about camps...
As for the specifics of how hard that is, I don't know, but with republican control of the house and Senate, plus a new supreme court nominee, well... It's probably not as hard as you'd make it out to be.[/QUOTE]
And yet you people were okay with Hillary cheating and becoming the nominee instead of protesting to get that corrupt bitch out liberals just circlejerk to her because they are afraid of what believed to be an idiotic racist that wouldnt win anyways.
Dont get me wrong. I worry for gay people but the republicans wont do shit and if they do we got a good reason to uprise.
[QUOTE=Oizen;51338947]This puts the entire concept of a "Silent Majority" into perspective.
None of the polls or media predicted this[/QUOTE]
Something has gone wrong with the polls somehow. People aren't being truthful in America or Britain.
This terrifies me.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;51338843]I've been spending the last four hours helping my LGBT friends make plans to move to a less dispeciable country. The USA will be all the poorer for it.
I doubt I'm going to go to work tomorrow. I need to plan for a future elsewhere because it certainly isn't here.[/QUOTE]
Wow... Talk about overreacting lmao.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51338953]And then supported it to an ever increasing degree as the years went back without ever regressing. As opposed to Trump who wants to overrule the DOMA decision and leave it up to the states.
hmmmm it really makes u think[/QUOTE]
Sounds like Hillary doesn't actually care about issues and only wants the position of power to me.
She is the type of person who will say what you want to hear.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51338935][video]https://youtu.be/K-IFcCY0m3E[/video]
I don't believe for one second you care about anything else but to push an agenda to use vulnerable people as a shield, as a way to cynically make money and gain power for yourself. When it comes down to it, the left when given enough power get just as scary (if not worse!) as Christians during the Satanic panic days.
Abuse in any guise is wrong. It was how the SJW crap got started (by abusive righties) when they were told to back down, led to the rise of bullies who cry "BIGOT" whenever they don't get their way on the left.
Its the same disgusting behavior. On the right, its ok to beat the fuck outa people cause its to promote "the good faith". On the left its any one who may have a better idea to solves the issues you care about, but because they are not conforming, they get threatened or treated like shit. Which surprise!, generates another round of abuse and trauma.
Maybe if we quit treating people like shit (just for giggles) is maybe the world will cease being shitty?[/QUOTE]
Okay, now I want you to sit down for a moment, and think about what it would feel like if that screaming woman in the video ended up the United states president.
I think that approximates how many in this thread feel right now about trump.
[QUOTE=ejonkou;51338962]Wow... Talk about overreacting lmao.[/QUOTE]
I think wanting to move to a better country because America is going to go to hell isn't overreacting.
You do realise it only gets worse from here, right? It will legitimately. Get. Worse. Nothing in Trump's plans nor the Republican manifesto will have substantial positive effects - and many of them will have substantial negative effects.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;51338922]Hillary was against gay marriage until she found out it was popular.
Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
I rather have her evolve than stay the same or devolve.
Arizona and Mich still refuse to call in the final votes.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51338935]
I don't believe for one second you care about anything else but to push an agenda to use vulnerable people as a shield, as a way to cynically make money and gain power for yourself. [/QUOTE]
Yes. Since Clinton was defeated I'm no longer collecting a check from CTR so I've turned to social justice activism.
You got us Guriosity. We don't actually disagree with Republican social conservatism because we find it disagreeable with our liberal values where people ought to be treated the same regardless of who they fuck, we are in it for the money.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51338935]
I don't believe for one second you care about anything else but to push an agenda to use vulnerable people as a shield. When it comes down to it, the left when given enough power get just as scary (if not worse!) as Christians during the Satanic panic days.
Abuse in any guise is wrong. It was how the SJW crap got started (by abusive righties) when they were told to back down, led to the rise of bullies who cry "BIGOT" whenever they don't get their way on the left.
Its the same disgusting behavior. On the right, its ok to beat the fuck outa people cause its to promote "the good faith". On the left its any one who may have a better idea to solves the issues you care about, but because they are not conforming, they get threatened or treated like shit. Which surprise!, generates another round of abuse and trauma.[/QUOTE]
I am those "vulnerable" people you talk about and two things we need to get straight:
One: I am [B]NOT[/B] vulnerable. Do not speak for me.
Two: The current administration that has been elected today are bigots. There is no way around that. They have run on a platform of being anti-LGBT. I am sorry if you think that me not respecting someone who doesnt "conform" to accepting me as a person. I wont beat anyone up or anything, I think thats wrong, but I [I]absolutely[/I] think less of someone who despises me for who I am.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;51338843]I've been spending the last four hours helping my LGBT friends make plans to move to a less dispeciable country. The USA will be all the poorer for it.
I doubt I'm going to go to work tomorrow. I need to plan for a future elsewhere because it certainly isn't here.[/QUOTE]
Dude, you're overreacting. Trump just got elected as president, at least wait for a fuck up for y'all to do that. Otherwise, you'd be wasting money on plane tickets.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51338956]And yet you people were okay with Hillary cheating and becoming the nominee instead of protesting to get that corrupt bitch out liberals just circlejerk to her because they are afraid of what believed to be an idiotic racist that wouldnt win anyways.
Dont get me wrong. I worry for gay people but the republicans wont do shit and if they do we got a good reason to uprise.[/QUOTE]
I campaigned, I spread the word, and I voted for Bernie. In the end he lost and I was unhappy. do you think that means I deserve your ire at Clinton ending up the nominee?
[QUOTE=ejonkou;51338962]Wow... Talk about overreacting lmao.[/QUOTE]
People grossly overestimate the amount of power the president actually has.
[QUOTE=Oizen;51338966]Sounds like Hillary doesn't actually care about issues and only wants the position of power to me.
She is the type of person who will say what you want to hear.[/QUOTE]
Is there any record (post acceptance) of her regressing when it comes to marriage equality?
Most of all I'm ashamed of my fellow democrats. Instead of reaching out and trying to convincr trump supporters to switch their vote most of you decided to mock, ridicule, and taunt.
[QUOTE=Oizen;51338966]Sounds like Hillary doesn't actually care about issues and only wants the position of power to me.
She is the type of person who will say what you want to hear.[/QUOTE]
And Donald Trump isn't? The man who started out saying that there had to be a ban on Muslims coming into the United States, stood by it, then chickened out and said the ban was a "suggestion", then went back to calling for a ban and saying he stood by it all the time? The man whose run his platform on populism and demagoguery? That man isn't someone who'll say what someone wants to hear?
Like it or not, politicians changing their views over time as what society views as acceptable and what their constituents favor happens all the time. That's proper representation and what a politician should actually, represent the views of those who voted them in.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;51338922]Hillary was against gay marriage until she found out it was popular.
Food for thought.[/QUOTE]
Practically speaking that is of literally no concern to me. Her current stance is what matters and the fact of the matter is, she would have legislated on party lines and on her party platform. I'm interested in keeping my rights as a human being, and her being against it before now doesnt change the fact that she would be undeniably better for me in that right.
Honestly not as disappointed as I thought I was going to be, especially after how disrespectful Clinton was to her supporters but not giving a speech after all the hard work they did to get [B][U]HER[/U][/B] elected.
Trump did a great job playing the electoral college and gaining states no one thought he had a chance in hell of getting. At least we won't have to deal with TPP anymore
So, Non-American here.
How screwed are LGBT people in America?
[QUOTE=Oizen;51338966]Sounds like Hillary doesn't actually care about issues and only wants the position of power to me.
She is the type of person who will say what you want to hear.[/QUOTE]
She went through the same transition that most American's went through over the years. It was a gradual process of supporting civil unions, to states allowing gay marriage, to recognizing gay marriage as soon as she. In all likelihood she supported it before it broke the 50% popularity mark but couldn't say so because it's not in the Secretary of State's wheelhouse to comment on domestic affairs. Ultimately it's irrelevant. She supports gay marriage, Trump opposes it at least on the federal level. It's indisputable that Clinton would be better in this regard.
But no I'm sure Trump really means what he says and isn't just saying what you want to hear :^)
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