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[QUOTE=Zyler;51339472]You think that I'm thinking that whether or not you bought into the media message is determined by how you voted? I don't give a shit how you voted. I'm saying you've bought into the media message because you seem to have blindly accepted the idea that Clinton is an evil criminal who can somehow get away with murder and how everyone hates Trump because he's some random turbo hitler. You've blindly accepted the exact same things the corrupt media has been telling you all this time.[/QUOTE] What is this post lol. Clinton is a criminal and all the arguments against trump is this thread are people afraid that he will greatly harm the rights of LGBT people and minorities. I didnt accept any of those ideas. Your post gives me a headache is like you havent even read any of my post.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51339443]I have to wonder how many states actually have laws [I]specifically[/I] barring gay marriage, when it was declared federally I think there were some states willing to go through with it then but failed because of the federal law. As for Obamacare Trump supposedly wants something "better" and while I'll give you that he almost assuredly doesn't know how to make that happen, other people do, other [I]Republicans[/I] do. I'm not going to say socialized healthcare is dead until it's dead, and yes I'm one of those libertarians who's willing to accept it as a potentially useful apparatus of the government. I'll be honest with you I don't want to see people go without access to healthcare, but I do know for a fact Obamacare is [I]not[/I] going to work long-term or even in the short-term. If I needed an employee I couldn't hire one, flat-out the insurance would kill my business.[/QUOTE] The election of a new supreme court justice could affect whether the statute for marriage equality stays, since it was passed purely by a supreme court decision in the first place. I don't know how you think that republicans support universal health care, they don't. They aren't going to replace obamacare with "something better", it's not in their policies.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51339476]I've seen people rationalizing it as Trump only having chosen Pence as VP "so the Republicans will shut up" - which is funny, given that would be directly contrary to Trump's anti-establishment appeal.[/QUOTE]... Not... really? Holy shit you are really fucking reaching here, Pence was a perfect choice if he wanted the Republican establishment to literally shut the fuck up and stop bitching about him. Seems pretty smart considering he, you know, needed Republicans to actually fucking vote for him and for the party to up and declare that he wasn't their candidate. (which they could have done by the way!)
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339494]What is this post lol. Clinton is a criminal and all the arguments against trump is this thread are people afraid that he will greatly harm the rights of LGBT people and minorities. I didnt accept any of those ideas. Your post gives me a headache is like you havent even read any of my post.[/QUOTE] I read all of your posts. You just repeat the same thing over and over again without addressing my points. How much of what you believe is based on what you actually know and how much of it is just based on stuff other people told you? How can you trust the same people who have routinely lied to you and manipulated you in order to win elections and always end up changing nothing? How is one 'side' better than the other? Finally, going back to my first point, if everybody is so terrible, why bother? I'm sorry I'm making your head hurt.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51339492]This is why even if i know you arent paid for it... I still think some here are deliberately dishonest.[/QUOTE] You honestly think im a fucking hillary shill? Holy fuck are you deluded to shit. Im completely fucking flabbergasted.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51339467]LGBT rights are, at best, collateral damage; necessary sacrifices in the fight against the (((globalists))).[/QUOTE] This is barely even exaggerated enough to be parody
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51339513]You honestly think im a fucking hillary shill? Holy fuck are you deluded to shit. Im completely fucking flabbergasted.[/QUOTE] "this is why even if I know you [b]arent[/b] paid for it"
Globalism is an inevitability of dwindling resources and increasing technology. To fight against it is to fight against the reality of our future as a species.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51339513]You honestly think im a fucking hillary shill? Holy fuck are you deluded to shit. Im completely fucking flabbergasted.[/QUOTE] I dont actually think you are a shill, just that comments like that saying the legal system cleared hillary is not making a convincing argument, and all i have is my common sense.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51339517]This is barely even exaggerated enough to be parody[/QUOTE] If you can justify your invisible enemies as being powerful enough, you can justify any action.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51339520]"this is why even if I know you [b]arent[/b] paid for it"[/QUOTE] He still thinks im a shill. He just thinks I'm not fucking getting paid for it. Incredible
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51339527]I dont actually think you are a shill, just that comments like that saying the legal system cleared hillary is not making a convincing argument, and all i have is my common sense.[/QUOTE] The legal system DID clear hillary, that's not an argument it's a fact. The argument is whether the legal system was somehow manipulated in some way, i.e. the FBI is working for Clinton somehow.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51339527]I dont actually think you are a shill, just that comments like that saying the legal system cleared hillary is not making a convincing argument, and all i have is my common sense.[/QUOTE] If thats the case you really need to word your posts in a more definite way ten you do.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51339525]Globalism is an inevitability of dwindling resources and increasing technology. To fight against it is to fight against the reality of our future as a species.[/QUOTE] Globalism is the thought process of closed minded historical extractionist powerbrokers. Once space colonies on mars kick off expect perpetual cold war/ww1 alliance mixes. Anything more optimistic is self delusional or pushing agendas... A time of peaceful existence is ending, not beginning... and its not trump or anything, just a real estate goldrush that will cause it.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51339471]I bet it seems scary to you because you have no idea what I'm talking about in the first place.[/QUOTE] You don't have to be so condensing you know. As far I know, you're in the same boat a I am. And most importantly, I don't think that it's the voters that shoved Trump out into presidency are the ones that are going to be setting policies - it's going to be the conservative elite, who follow an agenda that was previously blocked by a democratic president. There were a number of states that tried to instate laws to de-legitimize Federal Level gay marriage. They have failed, thanks to previously mentioned factors. As this is no longer the case, the decision making is behind the same people who set those laws in the first place. The religious freedom is non-issue that's been exploited as part of conservative narrative - gay marriage does not impede on anyone's religious rights. We have long since established this.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51339525]Globalism is an inevitability of dwindling resources and increasing technology. To fight against it is to fight against the reality of our future as a species.[/QUOTE] Theres a difference between globalizatiom that spreads out resources and wealth justly between all countries and that actually benefits people than an network of corperations, saudi princes and billionaires playing the system to THEIR benefit. I still dont see how people can defend the estasbblishment. If you think trump is bad then that fine he is defineitly garbage but shilling for the estashblishment is the most pathetic bootlicking thing ever. Glad clinton lost gave me hope in this country.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51339495]The election of a new supreme court justice could affect whether the statute for marriage equality stays, since it was passed purely by a supreme court decision in the first place.[/QUOTE]No.... you fucking think so!? Wow! Yeah, no shit. If the decision is reversed it goes back to a state-by-state decision. [QUOTE]I don't know how you think that republicans support universal health care, they don't. They aren't going to replace obamacare with "something better", it's not in their policies.[/QUOTE]Get this: Republicans are not a hivemind. Some are for it in a [I]variety[/I] of forms, but it isn't traditionally a Republican position. You're an Australian so please, don't blow smoke up my ass, I do actually know these fucking people and I know what's important for them. Trump wants a bigger, better Obamacare because he's a RINO and has always been a RINO, so if Republicans willing to go across the aisle produce a bill that does that then don't be surprised if Trump signs it. (if he likes it) Expect to see hardcore Republicans screeching in rage when their demagogue president shows his true colors. [QUOTE=Duck M.;51339517]This is barely even exaggerated enough to be parody[/QUOTE]It isn't a parody, that's literally what's happening. Surprise! They don't actually give a shit about your sexual preferences, they just like fucking with Democrats.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51339525]Globalism is an inevitability of dwindling resources and increasing technology. To fight against it is to fight against the reality of our future as a species.[/QUOTE]we've never had more access to resources as we do now, it's a small amount of people hoarding it all as they always have. globalism and neoliberalism is a reaction to dwindling extraction of profits, and a bandaid over the inevitable cycle of crisis that is inherent to the system we live under.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51339492]This is why even if i know you arent paid for it...[/QUOTE] Oh no shit? You don't think the Clinton campaign spent money to astroturf on a website that is home to a few hundred voters, tops, spread across a geographical area so wide and far so as to offer absolutely zero electoral advantage? Using established accounts that were critical of her in the primary no less?
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339553]Theres a difference between globalizatiom that spreads out resources and wealth justly between all countries and that actually benefits people than an network of corperations, saudi princes and billionaires playing the system to THEIR benefit. I still dont see how people can defend the estasbblishment. If you think trump is bad then that fine he is defineitly garbage but shilling for the estashblishment is the most pathetic bootlicking thing ever. Glad clinton lost gave me hope in this country.[/QUOTE] The fact that you're still unironically using the word "shilling" speaks more than your repeatedly regurgitated surface level argument
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339553]Theres a difference between globalizatiom that spreads out resources and wealth justly between all countries and that actually benefits people than an network of corperations, saudi princes and billionaires playing the system to THEIR benefit. I still dont see how people can defend the estasbblishment. If you think trump is bad then that fine he is defineitly garbage but shilling for the estashblishment is the most pathetic bootlicking thing ever. Glad clinton lost gave me hope in this country.[/QUOTE] There has never been a point in history where a network of 'elites' have not been in power. We used to be ruled by kings and emperor's, now we are ruled by corporations and power brokers. It's the same thing, just (slightly) more subtle. I don't know what you want, to be honest.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51339535]The legal system DID clear hillary, that's not an argument it's a fact. The argument is whether the legal system was somehow manipulated in some way, i.e. the FBI is working for Clinton somehow.[/QUOTE] it did not, the fbi's advice is non-binding and the choice to start a case against her based on the emails can literally start any day. You are wrong.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51339513]You honestly think im a fucking hillary shill? Holy fuck are you deluded to shit. Im completely fucking flabbergasted.[/QUOTE] I've been accused of being CTR no less than four times. During the campaign I thought it was hilarious. Now that it's over I think it's sad and still a little funny.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51339364]For one you could try calming down and stop driving yourself silly with hysteria. Two, stop taking everything so fucking personally, the United States didn't elect Trump because you like penises. When people say homosexuality is a mental illness I'm pretty sure they would use your entire post as evidence for that assertion. Holy shit. Newsflash: [B]nobody cares.[/B] If they didn't care before Trump got voted in they won't care now, you're Alex Jones levels of off your goddamn rocker right now. I don't know how to help you with those self-esteem issues you clearly have but I can remind you to think rationally. What do you expect to happen tomorrow? In a week? Month? Month after that? If you answered anything other than "fucking nothing" you need to stop and go read up when the hand-off from one president to the next happens. If you or anyone else are [I]seriously considering suicide over this[/I] then stop what you're doing and go check your happy ass into an asylum because you are not fit for society in your current state. Above all else, stop taking this shit as a personal offense, goddamn it this didn't happen because you were gay but instead because they hated Hillary that much. Actually if the satisfaction polls are any indication the number of that "over 50%" that "views you as less than human" who [I]doesn't[/I] feel that way is about 48% or so. Holy Hanna are you for real right now? Like no shit are you actually going to [I]kill yourself[/I] because over half the country hates Hillary Clinton? Stop posting and go to a hospital. Seriously, right now.[/QUOTE] Did you grow up gay in a massively Christian-conservative community? You'd be surprised how heavily life can turn against you and the places you end up mentally when you've been told you're a disgusting piece of sinful detritus all your life. I don't blame you for your perspective but I can assure you that there are definitely people who care. There are people who care way too much. There are people who care so much that they'd rather see you die than to know you exist even quietly within their world. It's hard not to see that hatred and not be scared. When you're a child and an adult looks on you with a murderous level of malice it's... really fucked up. I honestly thought our generation would be the one that moved beyond that but if anything it seems like we've reinforced it even harder.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51339555] Surprise! They don't actually give a shit about your sexual preferences, they just like fucking with Democrats.[/QUOTE] I disagree. Even if not the big fish itself, then conservative state leadership would impose those restrictions - there will be blatantly no one else but electorate, to stop them.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51339555]Trump wants a bigger, better Obamacare because he's a RINO and has always been a RINO[/QUOTE] well this is fucking news to me, do tell.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51339568]it did not, the fbi's advice is non-binding and the choice to start a case against her based on the emails can literally start any day. You are wrong.[/QUOTE] There's no evidence against her, they decided not to indict her. I don't know what you mean by 'non-binding' but they decided there's no reason to go to trial because there's no evidence of wrong doing. I'm telling you this based on what's in the actual report from the FBI director. Would you like me to link it to you?
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339553]Theres a difference between globalizatiom that spreads out resources and wealth justly between all countries and that actually benefits people than an network of corperations, saudi princes and billionaires playing the system to THEIR benefit. I still dont see how people can defend the estasbblishment. If you think trump is bad then that fine he is defineitly garbage but shilling for the estashblishment is the most pathetic bootlicking thing ever. Glad clinton lost gave me hope in this country.[/QUOTE]how the hell do you think trump made his money? he benefited hugely to the tune of hundreds of millions from government subsidies for his real estate while new york city was dying and got turned into a petridish for privitization & corporate experimentation, that's not even mentioning the predatory business actions of his father.
Hey you guys do know oil is going to run out right? Its a nonrenewable resource and we may see if happen in our lifetime. So what are we going to do after that? We based our whole economy on the petrodollar. All those proxy wars with russia in the middle east is just to continue and protect it. But no matter what oil will be gone one day. Then what? The economy will crash harder than we ever seen in history. There seems to be no plans and the estashblishment is pushing us deep into the war. Hell the obama administration is planning on taking an city 50 miles inside syria and installing their own puppet government. That isnt even world policing that just straight on colonization.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51339555] It isn't a parody, that's literally what's happening. Surprise! They don't actually give a shit about your sexual preferences, they just like fucking with Democrats.[/QUOTE] Are we talking about the Republican Party or Trump supporters? Because the former absolutely gives a shit about sexual preferences and enshrines it as part of their platform. The latter pretends like they care but ultimately it's a disposable asset.
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