[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51339555]No.... you fucking think so!? Wow!
Yeah, no shit. If the decision is reversed it goes back to a state-by-state decision.[/QUOTE]
Which is going to be horrendous for a massive amount of LGBT individuals stranded in historically anti-LGBT states.
[QUOTE]Surprise! They don't actually give a shit about your sexual preferences, they just like fucking with Democrats.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see you try to convince me that a conservative political party that has peddled "traditional marriage values" as a core tenant of their platform for the past decade "doesnt give a shit about my sexual preferences".
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51339576]well this is fucking news to me, do tell.[/QUOTE]
I think he's referring to how Trump has previously supported Democrats. (Although he's also previously supported Republicans too)
Or maybe he's referring to how Trump had previously stated that he'd only opt for a Republican platform because it'd be easier to win.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;51339586]how the hell do you think trump made his money? he benefited hugely to the tune of hundreds of millions from government subsidies for his real estate while new york city was dying and got turned into a petridish for privitization & corporate experimentation, that's not even mentioning the predatory business actions of his father.[/QUOTE]
Ironically he benefits from tax cuts that hillary help make happen.
Still cant believe you people are still choosing one or the other instead of hating them both.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;51339572]Did you grow up gay in a massively Christian-conservative community?
You'd be surprised how heavily life can turn against you and the places you end up mentally when you've been told you're a disgusting piece of sinful detritus all your life.
I don't blame you for your perspective but I can assure you that there are definitely people who care. There are people who care way too much. There are people who care so much that they'd rather see you die than to know you exist even quietly within their world.
It's hard not to see that hatred and not be scared. When you're a child and an adult looks on you with a murderous level of malice it's... really fucked up. I honestly thought our generation would be the one that moved beyond that but if anything it seems like we've reinforced it even harder.[/QUOTE]
I am trans and I grew up in a pretty religious christian family, and I can safely say you're being paranoid.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;51339572]Did you grow up gay in a massively Christian-conservative community?
You'd be surprised how heavily life can turn against you and the places you end up mentally when you've been told you're a disgusting piece of sinful detritus all your life.
I don't blame you for your perspective but I can assure you that there are definitely people who care. There are people who care way too much. There are people who care so much that they'd rather see you die than to know you exist even quietly within their world.
It's hard not to see that hatred and not be scared. When you're a child and an adult looks on you with a murderous level of malice it's... really fucked up. I honestly thought our generation would be the one that moved beyond that but if anything it seems like we've reinforced it even harder.[/QUOTE]
Trump taking down LGBT rights will be just as successful as democrats trying to ban guns.
The people democratically voted for this. Deal with it.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339589]Hey you guys do know oil is going to run out right? Its a nonrenewable resource and we may see if happen in our lifetime.[/QUOTE]
We're switching to renewable energy sources. It's a slow process but we're in the midst of it now. Many smaller countries are running entirely on renewables now and larger countries like the UK are running a few days a year entirely on renewables. Over the next few years we'll see more and more renewable infrastructure being installed as the old oil infrastructure collapses. Renewables are cheaper, are less dangerous and have a larger capacity than oil based energy. The only barrier is the costs of upgrading the infrastructure, which is happening anyway as the old infrastructure gets too old and needs to be replaced.
Self driving electric cars are going to replace most traffic eventually, which will also significantly reduce the amount of oil we need. Plus, we've been reducing our oil consumption due to the increasing efficiency of our industry for decades.
[QUOTE]Hell the obama administration is planning on taking an city 50 miles inside syria and installing their own puppet government. That isnt even world policing that just straight on colonization.[/QUOTE]
Where did you hear this?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51339555]No.... you fucking think so!? Wow!
Yeah, no shit. If the decision is reversed it goes back to a state-by-state decision.
Get this: Republicans are not a hivemind. Some are for it in a [I]variety[/I] of forms, but it isn't traditionally a Republican position. You're an Australian so please, don't blow smoke up my ass, I do actually know these fucking people and I know what's important for them. Trump wants a bigger, better Obamacare because he's a RINO and has always been a RINO, so if Republicans willing to go across the aisle produce a bill that does that then don't be surprised if Trump signs it. (if he likes it)
Expect to see hardcore Republicans screeching in rage when their demagogue president shows his true colors.
It isn't a parody, that's literally what's happening.
Surprise! They don't actually give a shit about your sexual preferences, they just like fucking with Democrats.[/QUOTE]
I dont know what the hell you cam say any of this with a straight face. The majority of states are red. The people living in those states who happen to be lgbt are [I]fucked[/I]. But at least we can all live in fucking Minnesota with you, right?
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339611]Trump taking down LGBT rights will be just as successful as democrats trying to ban guns.
The people democratically voted for this. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
Did you forget about the gridlock we've suffered for the past 8 years and how that could have possibly affected that? And how that literally will not exist anymore for the next two years or more? The two are not comparable.
Like come on man this is basic. I'm almost starting to think that you dont know what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=space1;51339609]I am trans and I grew up in a pretty religious christian family, and I can safely say you're being paranoid.[/QUOTE]
People new to politics doesnt know the republican party have been this racist and homophobic for decades. But last I check lynching people for the color of their skin is still illegal and the republicans havent made it so only CIS males are allowed to vote.
But who knows maybe america will become nazi germany 2.0 that all these salty guys are making it out to be.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339611]Trump taking down LGBT rights will be just as successful as democrats trying to ban guns.
The people democratically voted for this. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]
The democrats have been unable to pass laws because the republican majority senate has been blocking stuff, that's why the government shut down last year, remember?
If the republicans control the presidency, the house of representatives and the senate after today, then they'll be able to pass whatever laws they want.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51339546]Globalism is the thought process of closed minded historical extractionist powerbrokers.
Once space colonies on mars kick off expect perpetual cold war/ww1 alliance mixes. Anything more optimistic is self delusional or pushing agendas...
A time of peaceful existence is ending, not beginning... and its not trump or anything, just a real estate goldrush that will cause it.[/QUOTE]
This post made me laugh so hard I got a coughing fit.
First up, what the fuck is an "extractionist powerbroker?" You think globalism is a "thought process" and not an economic one? You think it's historical and not a necessary result of the interaction of markets of national trade? Like, what? The entire first sentence here is so full of nonsense and wrongness that I don't even know where to fucking start.
Second, where the fuck did space colonies on mars come from, and why exactly would it result in a perpetual cold war? Where's your argument? What agenda am I supposedly pushing for thinking that mars colonies won't cause a Second Cold War? I don't even know what the fuck you're trying to say again.
Third... you actually think countries are going to go to war over land on mars. I don't know how the fuck we got to this topic or what made you conclude that, because holy fuck, you have the single most convoluted and irrational thought process I've ever seen in a single post. I don't understand how the fuck you reach these conclusions, man. All I'm getting is "globalists lead to space wars on mars." That's like saying "international trade will cause horse cancer." There's literally not even a rational train of thought here. The fuck, man?
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51339625]Did you forget about the gridlock we've suffered for the past 8 years and how that could have possibly affected that? And how that literally will not exist anymore for the next two years or more? The two are not comparable.
Like come on man this is basic. I'm almost starting to think that you dont know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
Ive been talking about gridlocking in nearly all my posts. Its funny how somebody concerned with gridlocking is seemingly cool with democrats when they are 50 percent of the issue.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339633]People new to politics doesnt know the republican party have been this racist and homophobic for decades. But last I check lynching people for the color of their skin is still illegal and the republicans havent made it so only CIS males are allowed to vote.
But who knows maybe america will become nazi germany 2.0 that all these salty guys are making it out to be.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zyler;51339375]There's no death squads certaintly, but there's still genuine and reasonable concern to be had over whether gay marriage will still be legal a year or two down the line (with the new supreme court justice being put in place by the president) or whether people reliant on Obamacare are still going to be able to get the meds they need to live.[/QUOTE]
[editline]9th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339642]Ive been talking about gridlocking in nearly all my posts. Its funny how somebody concerned with gridlocking is seemingly cool with democrats when they are 50 percent of the issue.[/QUOTE]
So why did you say that the republicans won't be any more successful as passing laws than the democrats?
Do you understand why Duck M made the post that they did? They weren't trying to insult you for not knowing the grid lock exists, they were addressing your argument that the republicans won't be able to pass anti-LGBT laws because the democrats couldn't pass gun laws. The reason democrats couldn't pass gun laws was because of the deadlock. The deadlock doesn't exist anymore because the republicans are winning the senate.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51339637]The democrats have been unable to pass laws because the republican majority senate has been blocking stuff, that's why the government shut down last year, remember?
If the republicans control the presidency, the house of representatives and the senate after today, then they'll be able to pass whatever laws they want.[/QUOTE]
Good. Like i said the more damage they do the better. It seems like only thing preventing actual change is the will of the people. There is no will but that will change after this election.
Sorry guys but countries with corruption problems historically goes to shit before it gets better if you was concern about this well you shouldve been marching on washington decades ago.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339642]Ive been talking about gridlocking in nearly all my posts. Its funny how somebody concerned with gridlocking is seemingly cool with democrats when they are 50 percent of the issue.[/QUOTE]
Its funny how you continually spout how third party you are while espousing what is essentially a defense of the republican platform.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;51339641]This post made me laugh so hard I got a coughing fit.
First up, what the fuck is an "extractionist powerbroker?" You think globalism is a "thought process" and not an economic one? You think it's historical and not a necessary result of the interaction of markets of national trade? Like, what? The entire first sentence here is so full of nonsense and wrongness that I don't even know where to fucking start.
Second, where the fuck did space colonies on mars come from, and why exactly would it result in a perpetual cold war? Where's your argument? What agenda am I supposedly pushing for thinking that mars colonies won't cause a Second Cold War? I don't even know what the fuck you're trying to say again.
Third... you actually think countries are going to go to war over land on mars. I don't know how the fuck we got to this topic or what made you conclude that, because holy fuck, you have the single most convoluted and irrational thought process I've ever seen in a single post. I don't understand how the fuck you reach these conclusions, man. All I'm getting is "globalists lead to space wars on mars." That's like saying "international trade will cause horse cancer." There's literally not even a rational train of thought here. The fuck, man?[/QUOTE]
I appreciate you making me laugh so hard on a day where I really have no business doing so, what a good post
[QUOTE=Zyler;51339648][editline]9th November 2016[/editline]
So why did you say that the republicans won't be any more successful as passing laws than the democrats?
Do you understand why Duck M made the post that they did? They weren't trying to insult you for not knowing the grid lock exists, they were addressing your argument that the republicans won't be able to pass anti-LGBT laws because the democrats couldn't pass gun laws. The reason democrats couldn't pass gun laws was because of the deadlock. The deadlock doesn't exist anymore because the republicans are winning the senate.[/QUOTE]
You seem to think being a politican means doing whatever you want. I doubt they can do shit about lgbt.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339597]Ironically he benefits from tax cuts that hillary help make happen.
Still cant believe you people are still choosing one or the other instead of hating them both.[/QUOTE]of course he benefits from the tax cuts that hillary, the democrats and the republicans all went hand in hand to implement. of course he does because he's the exact class of people you seem to be railing against. he was a fan of hillary before this election, he was a fan of democrats control of the economy and thought the economy and in turn himself did better under the democrats. the only connection to be made between trump and being anti-establishment is that he is not part of the political class, but guess what. he's the republican nominee and just became president elect of the US, under the republican party.
he is part of the political class now. his platform was designed by the GOP. his VP was picked by the GOP. the views that his VP espouses are radical GOP ideas. you seem to feign this sort of sense of wokeness about the reality of the world and then use it in defense of trump while not making any sense. he's a literal billionaire, what kind of policies do you think he's going to implement? why do his tax plans seem to heavily favour the rich? why do his plans for healthcare seem to favour the health industry?
also i'm not choosing on or the other, i think hillary clinton is a disgusting human being with war criminal friends who represents the very worst of the corporatist democratic party and was a ridiculous nominee but the idea that trump is any better is ludicrous, at least with hillary you got the added benefit of a democrat platform that wasn't absolutely insane. she doesn't say climate change was invented by the chinese. she doesn't want to completely saddle the youth with student debt. she doesn't want to implement a healthcare system that would remove insurance from 20 million people. she doesn't have a tax plan that would add billions to the wealth of the richest people in america.
the ignorance of both political parties over the last 30+ years is what has led to someone like trump being able to sweep into power, don't think i don't know that. he's literally just the start of the crumbling of the system built throughout the recent decades. i don't trust the democratic party to learn anything from this, just like they learnt nothing from the primary, or when clinton lost in 08.
trump bad
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339662]You seem to think being a politican means doing whatever you want. I doubt they can do shit about lgbt.[/QUOTE]
Person who knows literally nothing continually spouts things aboutsomething they know nothing about.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339654]Good. Like i said the more damage they do the better. It seems like only thing preventing actual change is the will of the people. There is no will but that will change after this election.
Sorry guys but countries with corruption problems historically goes to shit before it gets better if you was concern about this well you shouldve been marching on washington decades ago.[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with republicans not being able to pass laws? Do you agree that there is a possibility that gay marriage might be taken away and people are going to not have access to the medicine they need to live because obamacare is going to be repealed?
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339662]You seem to think being a politican means doing whatever you want. I doubt they can do shit about lgbt.[/QUOTE]are you like 14? even obama with limited control over the supreme court could 'do something about lgbt', what do you think the new judges are gonna do? his VP doesn't just have fun little views and opinions that he shares for no reason. they actually know how to implement legislation.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339662]You seem to think being a politican means doing whatever you want. I doubt they can do shit about lgbt.[/QUOTE]
The president gets to pick the next supreme court judge. Gay marriage was legalized due to a supreme court decision. The new supreme court could reverse that decision.
The congress can also get rid of obamacare so that people who need medicine to live won't be able to get it.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;51339663]of course he benefits from the tax cuts that hillary, the democrats and the republicans all went hand in hand to implement. of course he does because he's the exact class of people you seem to be railing against. he was a fan of hillary before this election, he was a fan of democrats control of the economy and thought the economy and in turn himself did better under the democrats. the only connection to be made between trump and being anti-establishment is that he is not part of the political class, but guess what. he's the republican nominee and just became president elect of the US, under the republican party.
he is part of the political class now. his platform was designed by the GOP. his VP was picked by the GOP. the views that his VP espouses are radical GOP ideas. you seem to feign this sort of sense of wokeness about the reality of the world and then use it in defense of trump while not making any sense. he's a literal billionaire, what kind of policies do you think he's going to implement? why do his tax plans seem to heavily favour the rich? why do his plans for healthcare seem to favour the health industry?
also i'm not choosing on or the other, i think hillary clinton is a disgusting human being with war criminal friends who represents the very worst of the corporatist democratic party and was a ridiculous nominee but the idea that trump is any better is ludicrous, at least with hillary you got the added benefit of a democrat platform that wasn't absolutely insane. she doesn't say climate change was invented by the chinese. she doesn't want to completely destroy the youth with student debt. she doesn't want to implement a healthcare system that would remove insurance from 20 million people. she doesn't have a tax plan that would add billions to the wealth of the richest people in america.
the ignorance of both political parties over the last 30+ years is what has led to someone like trump being able to sweep into power, don't think i don't know that. he's literally just the start of the crumbling of the system built throughout the recent decades. i don't trust the democratic party to learn anything from this, just like they learnt nothing from the primary, or when clinton lost in 08.
trump bad[/QUOTE]
Yup and now people will see what the US government has really become and do something about it.
If hillary won it will be back to sugercoated status quo.
[editline]9th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51339665]Person who knows literally nothing continually spouts things aboutsomething they know nothing about.[/QUOTE]
Make an argument or go to bed.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51339557]Oh no shit? You don't think the Clinton campaign spent money to astroturf on a website that is home to a few hundred voters, tops, spread across a geographical area so wide and far so as to offer absolutely zero electoral advantage? Using established accounts that were critical of her in the primary no less?[/QUOTE]
You can infantine it but that does not change people are paid to convince others to be enthusiastic about candidate X...
You arent paid, but the reason you vote for her is because someone got paid to talk to someone... Be it in a video on youtube or a campaign ad, or a flier, or a meme...
That convinced you hillary is the candidate for you.
That means that the data you get about the candidates is at least partially controlled by the pr cells of the candidates... Hillaries campaign had far better control over what was being said about her, tons of money was poured in to it. Trump is an awful man and made it easy on them... But if he was the nicest person alive people would still talk shit about him based on what they get spoonfed by hillaries pr divisions...
Thats what people call the shillosphere, since there is a meme joke going around that hillaries campaign pays people directly to shitpost online, while in effect its far greater then some dumb forum post... You arent even paid for it and yet you spread and live in the shillosphere... Heck you probably voted bernie during the convention... He directly opposed her but then got absorbed by her when she won and here we are.
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339683]Yup and now people will see what the US government has really become and do something about it.
If hillary won it will be back to sugercoated status quo.[/QUOTE]
Why would people do something about it? Trump won and the majority of people think he's going to fix everything. Why would anything change?
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339683]
Make an argument or go to bed.[/QUOTE]
Pot and kettle etc etc
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339683]
Make an argument or go to bed.[/QUOTE]
Ive made several. You have yet to fabricate one that has any substance.
I wonder how much of this was due to the pointless FBI Notice coming out days before the election? Could we have otherwise been looking at a weaker push from Trump, even if he still won?
[QUOTE=Jouska;51339683]Yup and now people will see what the US government has really become and do something about it.
If hillary won it will be back to sugercoated status quo.
[editline]9th November 2016[/editline]
Make an argument or go to bed.[/QUOTE]you're ridiculous and seem to hold no actual opinions.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51339686]You can infantine it but that does not change people are paid to convince others to be enthusiastic about candidate X...
You arent paid, but the reason you vote for her is because someone got paid to talk to someone... Be it in a video on youtube or a campaign ad, or a flier, or a meme...
That convinced you hillary is the candidate for you.
That means that the data you get about the candidates is at least partially controlled by the pr cells of the candidates... Hillaries campaign had far better control over what was being said about her, tons of money was poured in to it. Trump is an awful man and made it easy on them... But if he was the nicest person alive people would still talk shit about him based on what they get spoonfed by hillaries pr divisions...
Thats what people call the shillosphere, since there is a meme joke going around that hillaries campaign pays people directly to shitpost online, while in effect its far greater then some dumb forum post... You arent even paid for it and yet you spread and live in the shillosphere... Heck you probably voted bernie during the convention... He directly opposed her but then got absorbed by her when she won and here we are.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that anyone who believes something cannot be trusted because someone else was paid to be a media spokesperson?
So hillary clinton is somehow the mastermind of this evil insidious web of media manipulation and yet somehow despite this giant conspiracy, she still lost. How does that work?
And Donald Trump never manipulated anyone? He never paid anyone to say good things about him? How come there's no trumposphere?
Like I hope this is making sense, but what you're suggesting is the evil liberals or whoever it is you're against somehow this ultra power group of people who can somehow manipulate everything behind the scenes, and yet despite being so powerful they lost by a landslide. How can they be so powerful then? It makes no sense.
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