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This reminds me way too much about the elections where PiS got a majority last year. As such my most of my worries lay not with Trump himself, but with his radical supporters and the rest of the alt-right. And Pence.
Man I am up way too late tonight fuck. I gotta go to bed. Zephyrs, I appreciate you being willing to support. I don't agree with everything you said but however I deal with this I'll at least try to be decent about it. JumpinJackFlash, you understand better than I gave you credit for, sorry for antagonizing you over that.
Brietbart's primary sources are often, if not always, secondary sources. They choose things that have already been skewed towards their perspective to quote as evidence for their articles. It's nonacademic at best. I would get an F if I did that on any of my essays.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;51339998]Guys, that popular vote [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GVY5sJ6.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] omg its fucking 2000 all over again what the fuck
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;51340015]Brietbart's primary sources are often, if not always, secondary sources. They choose things that have already been skewed towards their perspective to quote as evidence for their articles. It's nonacademic at best. I would get an F if I did that on any of my essays.[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with lgbt rights and people's ability to access medicine they need to live? Although, yes everything you're saying is true, I think.
It mind boggles me how someone with the majority popular vote, elected-democratically by the people for the President of the United States still loses in 2017.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;51339998]Guys, that popular vote [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GVY5sJ6.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Gotta love the electoral system
[QUOTE=Starpluck;51340025]It mind boggles me how someone with the majority popular vote, elected-democratically by the people for the President of the United States still loses in 2017.[/QUOTE] Electoral college is a bitch and is so laughably outdated its just, ugh. Trump is literally Bush Jr. 2.0. Pence is the next Dick Chency. They're going rewind the clock to 2008. God. fucking. damnit.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;51339977]Could anyone give me an actual list of things they think Trump will do? Policies? Plans? We just elected a man on the premises of "We'll make it great again" and "TBD," by my understanding. He has contradicted his position on nearly every thing there is to have a position on at one point or another. I /sarc/[I]could [/I]/sarc/ understand people throwing LGBT and minorities under the bus if he had some concrete goals for improving the country, with benefits that greatly outweighed the cost, but he still hadn't given a single detail when he was voted in. He still hasn't even shown his tax returns. What exactly did you guys vote for, at least by your understanding?[/QUOTE] I'm just gonna quote this to this page, to see if I get an answer. Since he has been elected, I've skimmed and ctrl+f'd every page of each thread and I can not find a single supporter talking about an actual policy or set of policies they agree with, other than "Fuck the establishment." On youtube, they are talking about a new white dawn and the extinction of Islam, while unironically posting Nazi flags and at the same time calling Hillary a Nazi. I mean, at least Bernie had positions to stand by and agree with.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51340038]I cant fucking believe it Holy fuck The only comforting thing about all of this, is that Trump is extremely pro-Israel and pro-Russia. So, good for us, I think? Fuck.[/QUOTE] Is Israel in NATO? Because he's very much against that.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51339943]So let me get this straight. You guys think that the people who voted for Trump didn't vote for him because they agreed with his policies, but simply because they disliked Clinton more?[/QUOTE]Yep. That's what this election was all about, hell, that's part of the reason why I voted third party. I just don't goddamn like either one, I didn't "vote tactically" because it was a no win situation for me. How many young voters who voted for Trump do you think really support the traditional Republican policies? I'd wager not many, for them I'd guess stronger borders, smaller government, gun rights, and conservative fiscal policy are their biggest concerns and goals. Do they give a shit about gay marriage when most of them are probably agnostic rather than Christian? No, fuck that. That doesn't make any sense, what they seem to have done is looked at the bullshit surrounding the DNC, Democrat behavior, internet horseshit, and a slew of other things and noped the fuck out of there. This was an awful election for a lot of reasons. [QUOTE]So even if Trump wins and does terrible stuff it's still my fault, even though I'm not even an American and didn't vote, because somebody somewhere got paid to be a spokesperson for a political candidate?[/QUOTE][I]What?[/I] [QUOTE=Bathacker;51340014]JumpinJackFlash, you understand better than I gave you credit for, sorry for antagonizing you over that.[/QUOTE]You didn't antagonize me, it's fine. Send me a PM if you change your mind about the CCW option, you'll find the gun community has a fast growing LGBT presence.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51340001]Too bad the LGBT vote is literally irrelevant to the GOP's ability to get re-elected.[/QUOTE] Which is why I am saying people should go out there and help the movement grow to the point where it becomes a very powerful point in the next election cycle, either forcing the GOP to concede on it or by electing in Dems. Support has been growing fast, just 8 years ago Obama himself said marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and it will only grow stronger from here. One day (hopefully) the GOP will be forced to accept gay marriage as a standard policy, as was anti-slavery, women's rights, and civil rights were for their times and parties of those times. Also, what do people think the chances the electoral college could be done away with soon because of those results? (I assume not likely since small states wouldn't want to lose their power)
[QUOTE=Starpluck;51340025]It mind boggles me how someone with the majority popular vote, elected-democratically by the people for the President of the United States still loses in 2017.[/QUOTE] I don't think people are just going to accept this, this time. A regressive reality TV star winning the most powerful seat on the planet is too much. I would be very, very surprised if Trump just made it to the next election peachy-keen. Not talking assassination, I mean more... Sheer outrage.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51340023]What does that have to do with lgbt rights and people's ability to access medicine they need to live? Although, yes everything you're saying is true, I think.[/QUOTE] I'm tired, and I probably quoted the wrong post.
[QUOTE=090901;51340046]Which is why I am saying people should go out there and help the movement grow to the point where it becomes a very powerful point in the next election cycle, either forcing the GOP to concede on it or by electing in Dems. Support has been growing fast, just 8 years ago Obama himself said marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and it will only grow stronger from here. One day (hopefully) the GOP will be forced to accept gay marriage as a standard policy, as was anti-slavery, women's rights, and civil rights were for their times and parties of those times.[/QUOTE]I'd love to see the GOP make a hard shift to classical liberalism. Older Republicans are slipping to the minority, it's not quite ready yet but I think if pushed the GOP can undergo a demographic change.
The more I think about it the more just... Dejected I become. Our species is really just never going to figure it out man. I'm just really depressed that nothing will change in my lifetime.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51340044]Yep. That's what this election was all about, hell, that's part of the reason why I voted third party. I just don't goddamn like either one, I didn't "vote tactically" because it was a no win situation for me. How many young voters who voted for Trump do you think really support the traditional Republican policies? I'd wager not many, for them I'd guess stronger borders, smaller government, gun rights, and conservative fiscal policy are their biggest concerns and goals. Do they give a shit about gay marriage when most of them are probably agnostic rather than Christian? No, fuck that. That doesn't make any sense, what they seem to have done is looked at the bullshit surrounding the DNC, Democrat behavior, internet horseshit, and a slew of other things and noped the fuck out of there. This was an awful election for a lot of reasons.[/QUOTE] Is it possible that you might be projecting some of your own opinions onto the rest of the population? Is it possible that people who voted for Trump did it because they actually liked Trump and people who voted for Hillary did it because they actually liked Hillary? Facepunch/Reddit probably isn't representative of the general american population. [QUOTE]What?[/QUOTE] That seemed to be the implication made by Jouska, who is now banned.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;51339977]Could anyone give me an actual list of things they think Trump will do? Policies? Plans? We just elected a man on the premises of "We'll make it great again" and "TBD," by my understanding. He has contradicted his position on nearly every thing there is to have a position on at one point or another. I could understand people throwing LGBT and minorities under the bus if he had some concrete goals for improving the country, with benefits that greatly outweighed the cost, but he still hadn't given a single detail when he was voted in. He still hasn't even shown his tax returns. What exactly did you guys vote for, at least by your understanding?[/QUOTE] In the same way that you want to see concrete plans for Trump bettering the country, I'd like to see them for Trump [I]making it worse.[/I] Do not get me wrong. I voted for Hillary, I did my civic duty. I did not want to see this outcome. However, it seems interminably pigheaded to insist that within the first hundred days of Trump's presidency, Gay Conversion Concentration Camps will spring up throughout the midwest, to be staffed by the gaunt dustbowl ghosts of the rust belt. It seems strange to pile and heap upon promises and speculations that Trump will, with a sweep of his hand, erase the civil rights movement from the history books and instate the daily hate, so that we may more effectively prepare for our war with Eurasia and steel our nerves against Oceania. Why does that seem pig headed to me, when a xenophobic, misogynistic, anthropomorphic orange has just taken the reigns? [I]Because nobody on Earth knows what he will do,[/I] I suspect, [I]including himself.[/I] Trump has promised the moon, the stars, and all the black velveteen of space. He has promised to give both the Alpha and the Omega, he has promised to make a rock so heavy that he himself cannot lift it, and he has promised to make Mexico pay for it all. That he doesn't collapse under the weight of his own rhetoric is a surprise in and of itself. Even his tax plans (violently rejected by economists worldwide and in neat order) are nebulous and vague, never mind that the president [I]doesn't have those powers anyways.[/I] [B]Pence,[/B] has said that he would like to stuff the U.S. Supreme Court full of radical right wing justices, that he would overturn "leftist" cases all the way back to [U]Roe versus fucking Wade,[/U] and Pence is the one who believes the rapture will envelope us within his life time. [B]Pence.[/B] Not Trump. Trump is the president, Pence is the horrible, ugly spare we keep in the Trump Trunk. Hopefully for the duration of the term. A Pence, that mind you, had a very public falling out with Trump not a [I]month[/I] before the election took place. Trump was a high rolling democrat just about a decade ago. An independent moderate two decades ago. There is no way to predict what exactly will come from the executive office of President Donald J. Trump, so this melodrama of people contemplating suicide under the Big Trump's New America, in the face of a geist that he will through some inarticulate means steal away their rights, seems quite like panic, based on wholesale belief in scare-mongered propaganda to me. Not to say I think that he will deliver unto us twelve holy miracles, or that the light of god will shine from his ass. I just think he's been built up to this near Satanic caricature, in a way that is completely foundationless. That is not to say that I do not have an imagination. The Republicans have the House, Senate, Executive, and soon the Court (though that last element is in and of itself actually more slippery than you may imagine. One of our more liberal justices was a [I]Reagan[/I] appointee.) I would like to remind my fellow Americans that not but a lifetime ago, our nation elected a Christian super-majority to similar heights, and they installed the constitutional amendment [I]banning alcohol.[/I] America endured that, though I will give, with some spectacular scars. However, our Republicans of today are so much less organized. They come from a dozen different walks. Some are so small government that they'd be pleased as punch if we eliminated both the tax code and the government budget in one swoop. Some can't take a piss without signing on a Military contractor. All of them have, at one time or another, fought tooth and nail to snub Trump and stand by their "morals." If even a hand full of them have some whisp of the moral fiber they brag to have, they won't just knock over the constitution and scribble in big, crayon letters, "Dictator Doland Drumpf, Prez4Life," just because they have the technical ability to do so. The homosexual question, if we're in the business of vague allusions, is much the same. By standards of public opinion, the ship has sailed. By standards of legal formalism, it has so sailed twice. The Republicans would have to tear up the very frame and foundation of the law, all while staring down an already precarious "lead" in politics, to try and flip the rulings of the U.S. supreme court around like they were toys. (We must remember that, compared to issues of race in the year 1960, tolerance and civic equality for homosexuals is all but a solved issue for the American public in terms of public opinion. The sticking points are much finer and much sharper than, "hang them from the highest rafter." If we want to say mere dissent on the issue of the appropriate place of [I]trans-sexuality[/I] in society is equitable with suggesting a lynching, then I want to say you're already part of the partisans and no one is benefited by discussing the issue with you.) All in all, I think we ought to just accept, (graciously mind you unless we'd like to be hypocrites too, for shunning his bluster and snarl over the idea of not going peacefully), that President-Elect Trump is soon to be the leader of the free world. We can row against him and criticize his acts in their own time. There will be approximately four years of it. Panicking now, with no substance or sanity to speak of, just makes fools of us in the eyes of those that would say he is the chosen son of Ronald Reagan.
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[QUOTE=Duck M.;51340074]The more I think about it the more just... Dejected I become. Our species is really just never going to figure it out man. I'm just really depressed that nothing will change in my lifetime.[/QUOTE] You've got to look at the incremental and gradual progress that gets made by smart people all the time. The little creative solutions that overtime lead to great waves of change. That kind of thing doesn't get reported on partisan news programs. We're actually living at the best point in human history right now. The rate of human cultural and technological progress is astounding. We don't solve things by trying to change human nature or by changing people's mind through brute reasoning, we do it by building new ideas that allow people to see things in a new light and create new ways of doing business as usual so as to increasingly avoid the pitfalls that plague our society. Just recently for example, a team of three people developed a new type of drone that can clear all of the unexploded landmines in the world within about ten years. Previously, it would've taken literally thousands of years to clean those landmines by hand, and many people would've died in the process. Things like that are happening all the time, yet you'll never hear about it because the news media focuses on violence, politics and fear mongering.
As i can deduct with what i know, it seems trump seems to have clutched the win in some states, while clinton has won overwhelmingly in some others, which allowed her to have the majority popular vote, however the system seems to acknowledge only the majority in states and not the numbers which would've allowed clinton to clutch it (which is still horrible considering the polls said she was gonna walk all over trump). But that's what i can deduce anyway, might be wrong.
this could be the 5th time in US history that a candidate won the Electoral College without winning the popular vote the most recent occurance was with Gore/Bush, and the other 3 times were in the 1800s
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51340090]In the same way that you want to see concrete plans for Trump bettering the country, I'd like to see them for Trump [I]making it worse.[/I] Do not get me wrong. I voted for Hillary, I did my civic duty. I did not want to see this outcome. However, it seems interminably pigheaded to insist that within the first hundred days of Trump's presidency, Gay Conversion Concentration Camps will spring up throughout the midwest, to be staffed by the gaunt dustbowl ghosts of the rust belt. It seems strange to pile and heap upon promises and speculations that Trump will, with a sweep of his hand, erase the civil rights movement from the history books and instate the daily hate, so that we may more effectively prepare for our war with Eurasia and steel our nerves against Oceania. Why does that seem pig headed to me, when a xenophobic, misogynistic, anthropomorphic orange has just taken the reigns? [I]Because nobody on Earth knows what he will do,[/I] I suspect, [I]including himself.[/I] Trump has promised the moon, the stars, and all the black velveteen of space. He has promised to give both the Alpha and the Omega, he has promised to make a rock so heavy that he himself cannot lift it, and he has promised to make Mexico pay for it all. That he doesn't collapse under the weight of his own rhetoric is a surprise in and of itself. Even his tax plans (violently rejected by economists worldwide and in neat order) are nebulous and vague, never mind that the president [I]doesn't have those powers anyways.[/I] [B]Pence,[/B] has said that he would like to stuff the U.S. Supreme Court full of radical right wing justices, that he would overturn "leftist" cases all the way back to [U]Roe versus fucking Wade,[/U] and Pence is the one who believes the rapture will envelope us within his life time. [B]Pence.[/B] Not Trump. Trump is the president, Pence is the horrible, ugly spare we keep in the Trump Trunk. Hopefully for the duration of the term. A Pence, that mind you, had a very public falling out with Trump not a [I]month[/I] before the election took place. Trump was a high rolling democrat just about a decade ago. An independent moderate two decades ago. There is no way to predict what exactly will come from the executive office of President Donald J. Trump, so this melodrama of people contemplating suicide under the Big Trump's New America, in the face of a geist that he will through some inarticulate means steal away their rights, seems quite like panic, based on wholesale belief in scare-mongered propaganda to me. Not to say I think that he will deliver unto us twelve holy miracles, or that the light of god will shine from his ass. I just think he's been built up to this near Satanic caricature, in a way that is completely foundationless. That is not to say that I do not have an imagination. The Republicans have the House, Senate, Executive, and soon the Court (though that last element is in and of itself actually more slippery than you may imagine. One of our more liberal justices was a [I]Reagan[/I] appointee.) I would like to remind my fellow Americans that not but a lifetime ago, our nation elected a Christian super-majority to similar heights, and they installed the constitutional amendment [I]banning alcohol.[/I] America endured that, though I will give, with some spectacular scars. However, our Republicans of today are so much less organized. They come from a dozen different walks. Some are so small government that they'd be pleased as punch if we eliminated both the tax code and the government budget in one swoop. Some can't take a piss without signing on a Military contractor. All of them have, at one time or another, fought tooth and nail to snub Trump and stand by their "morals." If even a hand full of them have some whisp of the moral fiber they brag to have, they won't just knock over the constitution and scribble in big, crayon letters, "Dictator Doland Drumpf, Prez4Life," just because they have the technical ability to do so. The homosexual question, if we're in the business of vague allusions, is much the same. By standards of public opinion, the ship has sailed. By standards of legal formalism, it has so sailed twice. The Republicans would have to tear up the very frame and foundation of the law, all while staring down an already precarious "lead" in politics, to try and flip the rulings of the U.S. supreme court around like they were toys. (We must remember that, compared to issues of race in the year 1960, tolerance and civic equality for homosexuals is all but a solved issue for the American public in terms of public opinion. The sticking points are much finer and much sharper than, "hang them from the highest rafter." If we want to say mere dissent on the issue of the appropriate place of [I]trans-sexuality[/I] in society is equitable with suggesting a lynching, then I want to say you're already part of the partisans and no one is benefited by discussing the issue with you.) All in all, I think we ought to just accept, (graciously mind you unless we'd like to be hypocrites too, for shunning his bluster and snarl over the idea of not going peacefully), that President-Elect Trump is soon to be the leader of the free world. We can row against him and criticize his acts in their own time. There will be approximately four years of it. Panicking now, with no substance or sanity to speak of, just makes fools of us in the eyes of those that would say he is the chosen son of Ronald Reagan.[/QUOTE] I hope you're right.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51340090]In the same way that you want to see concrete plans for Trump bettering the country, I'd like to see them for Trump [I]making it worse.[/I] Do not get me wrong. I voted for Hillary, I did my civic duty. I did not want to see this outcome. However, it seems interminably pigheaded to insist that within the first hundred days of Trump's presidency, Gay Conversion Concentration Camps will spring up throughout the midwest, to be staffed by the gaunt dustbowl ghosts of the rust belt. It seems strange to pile and heap upon promises and speculations that Trump will, with a sweep of his hand, erase the civil rights movement from the history books and instate the daily hate, so that we may more effectively prepare for our war with Eurasia and steel our nerves against Oceania. Why does that seem pig headed to me, when a xenophobic, misogynistic, anthropomorphic orange has just taken the reigns? [I]Because nobody on Earth knows what he will do,[/I] I suspect, [I]including himself.[/I] Trump has promised the moon, the stars, and all the black velveteen of space. He has promised to give both the Alpha and the Omega, he has promised to make a rock so heavy that he himself cannot lift it, and he has promised to make Mexico pay for it all. That he doesn't collapse under the weight of his own rhetoric is a surprise in and of itself. Even his tax plans (violently rejected by economists worldwide and in neat order) are nebulous and vague, never mind that the president [I]doesn't have those powers anyways.[/I] [B]Pence,[/B] has said that he would like to stuff the U.S. Supreme Court full of radical right wing justices, that he would overturn "leftist" cases all the way back to [U]Roe versus fucking Wade,[/U] and Pence is the one who believes the rapture will envelope us within his life time. [B]Pence.[/B] Not Trump. Trump is the president, Pence is the horrible, ugly spare we keep in the Trump Trunk. Hopefully for the duration of the term. A Pence, that mind you, had a very public falling out with Trump not a [I]month[/I] before the election took place. Trump was a high rolling democrat just about a decade ago. An independent moderate two decades ago. There is no way to predict what exactly will come from the executive office of President Donald J. Trump, so this melodrama of people contemplating suicide under the Big Trump's New America, in the face of a geist that he will through some inarticulate means steal away their rights, seems quite like panic, based on wholesale belief in scare-mongered propaganda to me. Not to say I think that he will deliver unto us twelve holy miracles, or that the light of god will shine from his ass. I just think he's been built up to this near Satanic caricature, in a way that is completely foundationless. That is not to say that I do not have an imagination. The Republicans have the House, Senate, Executive, and soon the Court (though that last element is in and of itself actually more slippery than you may imagine. One of our more liberal justices was a [I]Reagan[/I] appointee.) I would like to remind my fellow Americans that not but a lifetime ago, our nation elected a Christian super-majority to similar heights, and they installed the constitutional amendment [I]banning alcohol.[/I] America endured that, though I will give, with some spectacular scars. However, our Republicans of today are so much less organized. They come from a dozen different walks. Some are so small government that they'd be pleased as punch if we eliminated both the tax code and the government budget in one swoop. Some can't take a piss without signing on a Military contractor. All of them have, at one time or another, fought tooth and nail to snub Trump and stand by their "morals." If even a hand full of them have some whisp of the moral fiber they brag to have, they won't just knock over the constitution and scribble in big, crayon letters, "Dictator Doland Drumpf, Prez4Life," just because they have the technical ability to do so. The homosexual question, if we're in the business of vague allusions, is much the same. By standards of public opinion, the ship has sailed. By standards of legal formalism, it has so sailed twice. The Republicans would have to tear up the very frame and foundation of the law, all while staring down an already precarious "lead" in politics, to try and flip the rulings of the U.S. supreme court around like they were toys. (We must remember that, compared to issues of race in the year 1960, tolerance and civic equality for homosexuals is all but a solved issue for the American public in terms of public opinion. The sticking points are much finer and much sharper than, "hang them from the highest rafter." If we want to say mere dissent on the issue of the appropriate place of [I]trans-sexuality[/I] in society is equitable with suggesting a lynching, then I want to say you're already part of the partisans and no one is benefited by discussing the issue with you.) All in all, I think we ought to just accept, (graciously mind you unless we'd like to be hypocrites too, for shunning his bluster and snarl over the idea of not going peacefully), that President-Elect Trump is soon to be the leader of the free world. We can row against him and criticize his acts in their own time. There will be approximately four years of it. Panicking now, with no substance or sanity to speak of, just makes fools of us in the eyes of those that would say he is the chosen son of Ronald Reagan.[/QUOTE] I accidentally clicked star instead of reply, which isn't to say that you don't have some fair points. We don't know, but suddenly the vast majority of the futures we were planning for are in flux. If anything happens to Trump. If he is impeached, assassinated, dies, or is otherwise rendered unfit for office, Pence takes the reigns. With a conservative majority in all three branches. That is a nightmare scenario for LGBT and people of color across the nation, as you pointed out. The appointment of a young hard-line evangelical would be enough to bring any social progress to a complete standstill, not even counting a reversal of rights. When you throw in the likelihood of multiple other justices being appointed with the same philosophy (rather than establishing and maintaining balance), it really starts to paint a fucked up picture. Three hard-core Christians could (and would) easily force every single discussion the supreme court has to be on theocratic grounds, with their votes being essential for decision and essentially locking the court to one side or barring it from moving forwards.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51340107]You've got to look at the incremental and gradual progress that gets made by smart people all the time. The little creative solutions that overtime lead to great waves of change. That kind of thing doesn't get reported on partisan news programs. We're actually living at the best point in human history right now. The rate of human cultural and technological progress is astounding. We don't solve things by trying to change human nature or by changing people's mind through brute reasoning, we do it by building new ideas that allow people to see things in a new light and create new ways of doing business as usual so as to increasingly avoid the pitfalls that plague our society. Just recently for example, a team of three people developed a new type of drone that can clear all of the unexploded landmines in the world within about ten years. Previously, it would've taken literally thousands of years to clean those landmines by hand, and many people would've died in the process. Things like that are happening all the time, yet you'll never hear about it because the news media focuses on violence, politics and fear mongering.[/QUOTE] I know, but for all of our scientific and technological brilliance we still cant figure out how to empathize and understand our fellow man. We cant look past our short-sightedness. We only act in our own self-interest and dont care for the future of our planet and our future children. And I fear thats just something that might never change, and might only get worse with time.
So Clinton actually won the popular vote?
[QUOTE=Megadave;51340168]So Clinton actually won the popular vote?[/QUOTE] Im not 100% sure, but google is showing that
The worst part is that Trumps Party also controls the house and the senate, last time this happened was in 1928. I'm not an expert on American politics but doesn't this make him, theoretically speaking, one of the most powerful presidents in history? I suppose he can very quickly push a lot of reactionary reforms without resistance.
[QUOTE=Bathacker;51339572]Did you grow up gay in a massively Christian-conservative community? You'd be surprised how heavily life can turn against you and the places you end up mentally when you've been told you're a disgusting piece of sinful detritus all your life. I don't blame you for your perspective but I can assure you that there are definitely people who care. There are people who care way too much. There are people who care so much that they'd rather see you die than to know you exist even quietly within their world. It's hard not to see that hatred and not be scared. When you're a child and an adult looks on you with a murderous level of malice it's... really fucked up. I honestly thought our generation would be the one that moved beyond that but if anything it seems like we've reinforced it even harder.[/QUOTE] And let's not forget some other headlines that happened in regards to lgbt recently. I trust I don't need to remind anybody of [I]that[/I] horrific event. And now we also have to contend with Pence (named after the amount of money his brain would fetch on the Black market) who - if what I understand is true - genuinely believes the earth is 6000 years old, and wants to run government sanctioned conversion therapies, as if human sexuality is some kind of illness or something. Honestly, the whole dismissive cry of "nobody really cares about your orientation!" Is ignorant at best and downright [i]insulting[/I] at worst, and anybody whose ever undergone abuse, harassment or any kind of mistreatment due to their sexuality can tell you straight up why the Trump presidency with Pence in the wings is so fucking horrific. I got off easy - I didn't come out until I was 19, and everybody in my life is super cool with it. But even down here, in my country that prides itself on being "oh so progressive" homophobia is rampant, both casual bigotry all the way up to straight up physical violence. A few years ago we had a news story about a man who was beaten into a coma, on the sidewalk of our main city, with dozens of witnesses and in an area that is supposed to be "safe". The motivation? He was gay. The guy recovered a month or two later, thankfully. But many others aren't as lucky. For all the strides we've made as humanity, there still exist people with such deeply set malice in their hearts that they would legitimately kill over [I]somebody else's[/I] sexual orientation. And now we have - at the head of one of the most influential and powerful countries in the world - a man who ran a campaign atop blatant and unapologetic hate speech, and another legitimately deluded individual who thinks that gay people are evil because the invisible sky man said so in a book once. This shit [I]is[/I] important and [I]cannot[/I] be ignored or dismissed. Because it [I]will[/I] affect real people if it's allowed to come to pass. So no, I don't think the outcry about this is unfounded. This is a thing that could put lives and livelihoods in jeopardy. And if you want to dismiss that as being an "overreaction", then you're wilfully ignoring the cold, hard fucking facts. But hey, don't take my word for it. There's a cemetery full of bullet riddled young people, with headstones only a few months old. You want evidence that this is a real problem? I suggest you go pay it a visit. I swear, it's times like this when my faith in this species of hypersensitive hairless monkey creatures we've got going here is seriously tested. All hail the inevitable singularity when the AIs take over, they'll do a better fucking job of it than we are right now. Edited because of autocorrect, damn iPad
[QUOTE=Ona;51340187] I swear, it's times like this when my faith in this species of hypersensitive hairless monkey creatures we've got going here is seriously tested. All hail the inevitable singularity when the AIs take over, they'll do a better fucking job of it than we are right now.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't hold my breath for that any time soon. The whole singularity thing is a bunch of made-up gobbledygook because a bunch of people mistook moore's law for an actual fact of reality and not a generalization that's contradicted by the physical limitations of silicon chips. Suffice to say, computer power hasn't been 'doubling' year upon year for a while now, it's slowing down. We're stuck with each other for now.
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