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[QUOTE=FreakyMe;51340133]I accidentally clicked star instead of reply, which isn't to say that you don't have some fair points. We don't know, but suddenly the vast majority of the futures we were planning for are in flux. If anything happens to Trump. If he is impeached, assassinated, dies, or is otherwise rendered unfit for office, Pence takes the reigns. With a conservative majority in all three branches. That is a nightmare scenario for LGBT and people of color across the nation, as you pointed out. The appointment of a young hard-line evangelical would be enough to bring any progress to a complete standstill, not even counting a reversal of rights. When you throw in the likelihood of multiple other justices being appointed with the same philosophy (rather than establishing and maintaining balance), it really starts to paint a fucked up picture. Three hard-core Christians could (and would) easily force every single discussion the supreme court has to be on theocratic grounds, with their votes being essential for decision and essentially locking the court to one side or barring it from moving forwards.[/QUOTE] I understand your speculations, but I think they're very fundamentally an overreach. It verges upon suggestions by Republicans that, if elected, Hillary Clinton would've driven us to global thermonuclear war with the Russians in an inane recreation of the 1950's. That's something much worse than just a lil' ol' Great Depression. Most of all, your worries presume that Republicans are flatly [B]evil.[/B] That is, they will intentionally move with a malice aforethought, like well orchestrated henchmen for a bond villain. While, as I joked some months ago, they seem a lot like cartoon villains and they [I]did[/I] have Cobra Commander running for the RNC's presidential nomination, they are still people. Fundamentally people that are trying to do something, perhaps, a bit good. At least they would like their legacies to be somewhat well shined, when all is said and done. Many Republicans, not just some but a fair number, believe in a secular government. Not every Republican is a fire-and-brimstone theological nutcase. And remember that the Democrats do still have seats in House and Senate. Merely "winning" those institutions did not eliminate their voice or role in government, like [I]some[/I] governments do. There's also the fact that, although three supreme court seats [I]may[/I] be up for grabs (entirely likely) we cannot predict that they [I]will[/I] be. We know that one is. Full stop. And it will likely be appointed by President Trump. Not "President" Pence. Which gets straight down to the root of my own personal beliefs. I believe in, not the spirit of the law, but the terrible grey mass of the law. Getting a theologically stalwart justice on to the court, in this day and age, would be akin to getting the same sort of politician in to the Presidency. It would require significant happenstance, and a failure of everyone to find their senses. Getting [I]three[/I] such justices on to the court, with the intent of packing it somehow? With the intent of completely blindsiding the remaining FIVE justices, who have rowed against such tampering since their installation? There would be an impeachment on the basis of an attempted [I]coup.[/I] The separation of Church and State is no joke at the legal level. Never mind that, although you personally may have hated Antonin Scalia (and I was no fan of the [I]man,[/I] though I deeply respect the [I]judge.)[/I] such a figure is not unfair to have on the court. America is a predominantly Christian nation, with laws that reflect Christian morality and public sentiments formulated by some flavor of Christian notions. People scorn the Supreme Court for being an autocratic, nearly aristocratic, institution that does not represent America, but instead represents some byzantine legalism that is detached from reality and akin to a dictatorship or Monarchy. One Baptist or Mormon judge up there would not be a tremendous disservice to the country, and if that judge could discharge the law in a manner fitting the position[B]*[/B]? Then why worry? [B]*[/B]By which I mean dignity, consistency, and formality. Not merely going, "wolololol let's overturn this guys :)" (which is not also how the Court works, anyways.) Such worries quickly stoop the the Republican smear tactic of insisting the John F. Kennedy was planning on installing agents of the Vatican at the highest level of the U.S. Government, so that he could fulfill some grand conspiracy of formulating us as a Catholic country, like Italy or France. There's more to say. A lot more. It's literally the biggest thing right now, the breadth and depth of the American political future is. I'll keep this short though, since I do need to sleep some time, and these are really just my quite unqualified prognostications. I hope, (hope, that is, not realistically believe) that Donald Trump will be something like a Jimmy Carter. A fluke of an outsider that rode in on a wave, that has no firm grip on how to work with his party, and whom his party would quickly like to forget happened. I realistically expect that the Republicans will use their political capital for a few pet projects. They'll likely kneecap renewable energy, and give the corporate tax code a whack over the back of the head. Socially? I think they'll launch some assaults on the ACA (Obamacare) but at the same time, there will be much hemming and hawing and gnashing of the teeth, particularly now that many have promised not to [I]repeal[/I] it but merely [I]improve[/I] it. (Usually by gutting the public options and making it just some beefed up regulation. Though I can easily imagine them gutting those regulations too. Effectively destroying it, in the end.) What role Trump will play in that? God only knows. Will Trump be impeached for some reason? I sincerely doubt it. With a Republican House and Senate, it would be political suicide for them to aim a loaded gun, metaphorically, at their leader and the bespoke champion of the U.S. population. I think there's a greater risk of someone assassinating Trump at this point, than there being such a risk of Trump getting sent up the ol' political river. But those are my speculations. I'm just a former undergrad law student who works in a department store for slightly-better than minimum wage, that hopes that nothing will get in the way of marrying his fiance, and that his insurance will keep on insuring. My qualifications aren't that great, but I don't think anyone here has really fantastic qualifications themselves.
[QUOTE=Zyler;51340210]I wouldn't hold my breath for that any time soon. The whole singularity thing is a bunch of made-up gobbledygook because a bunch of people mistook moore's law for an actual fact of reality and not a generalization that's contradicted by the physical limitations of silicon chips. Suffice to say, computer power hasn't been 'doubling' year upon year for a while now, it's slowing down. We're stuck with each other for now.[/QUOTE] Only until we perfect quantum computers. That or get invaded by aliens, or interdimensional entities. Or, hell, bring on some fucking ghosts and demons or something, at this rate I'd throw my chips in with Th'glnxa-Akt the Devourer of Dreams over any of the people currently in power.
[QUOTE=Ona;51340239]Only until we perfect quantum computers. That or get invaded by aliens, or interdimensional entities. Or, hell, bring on some fucking ghosts and demons or something, at this rate I'd throw my chips in with Th'glnxa-Akt the Devourer of Dreams over any of the people currently in power.[/QUOTE] pray to Azathoth for a quick and merciful annihilation of the universe
So is there a reason as to why Clinton, despite winning the popular vote, lost? Why is the electoral college still a thing?
[QUOTE=G.I.U.L.I.O.;51340254]So is there a reason as to why Clinton, despite winning the popular vote, lost? Why is the electoral college still a thing?[/QUOTE] Because our entire government, and dare I say most of our population, is a joke.
[QUOTE=Xubs;51340281]we never bothered to abolish it because problems with the electoral college only started to be a thing recently (recently in terms of the US's entire existence, mind you), and most recently the electoral college has repeatedly swayed the election in favor of the Republican Party despite popular vote dictating they should've never won twice in a row, so they'll put up a fight if we tried to get rid of it[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that the 2000 election wasn't the first time where the popular result was disregarded. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] Yep, it happened twice prior to 2000: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1876#Results"]1876[/URL] and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1888"]1888.[/URL] This isn't a 'modern' problem.
Someone should make a news thread about all the toxxing
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Has anyone confirmed that Hillary won the popular vote? I want to believe.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51340223]Most of all, your worries presume that Republicans are flatly [B]evil.[/B] That is, they will intentionally move with a malice aforethought, like well orchestrated henchmen for a bond villain.[/QUOTE] What? Only 33% of Republicans support gay marriage. If they move to reverse the legalization of gay marriage it will be because they are against it, not because they are evil. Hell, they don't even have to use the religious aspect, they can just use the "the states should decide for themselves" excuse. People expect the Republicans to move against gay marriage because it's literally a part of their platform and the majority of their supporters are against it, not because the Republicans are some evil Bond villans. Also considering the increasingly partisan nature of American politics it's not really that unreasonable to assume if given the chance they'll stack the SCOTUS as much as they can just to say fuck you to the Democrats.
[QUOTE=cheezey;51340176]The worst part is that Trumps Party also controls the house and the senate, last time this happened was in 1928. I'm not an expert on American politics but doesn't this make him, theoretically speaking, one of the most powerful presidents in history? I suppose he can very quickly push a lot of reactionary reforms without resistance.[/QUOTE] It also means that because of the 2 house Republican control, he can nominate a conservative Justice which will swing the court. It basically means he controls all 3 branches of government. The new Supreme Court Justice will likely be there for 20+ years. This is a terrible day for America because Trump wields more power than any President in modern history.
Gentlemen, be safe out there.
Thanks, obama
[QUOTE=Shadow45;51340705]Thanks, obama[/QUOTE] We gotta update that now Thanks Chump
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;51340709]We gotta update that now Thanks Chump[/QUOTE] It'll still be thanks Obama after four years of Trump lol because half his voterbase will still blame him for all their problems Trump himself will cause
[QUOTE=cheezey;51340176]The worst part is that Trumps Party also controls the house and the senate, last time this happened was in 1928. I'm not an expert on American politics but doesn't this make him, theoretically speaking, one of the most powerful presidents in history? I suppose he can very quickly push a lot of reactionary reforms without resistance.[/QUOTE] Well doesn't most of his party not like him so there will probably be resistance
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51340923]It'll still be thanks Obama after four years of Trump lol because half his voterbase will still blame him for all their problems Trump himself will cause[/QUOTE] Statistically 65ish % of trump voters dislike trump. They just hated hillary more
[QUOTE=k2.;51341081]Well doesn't most of his party not like him so there will probably be resistance[/QUOTE] Oh, Ill be first in line :)
[QUOTE=k2.;51341081]Well doesn't most of his party not like him so there will probably be resistance[/QUOTE]They do owe him a three-in-a-row (four if you count the Supreme Justice nomination coming up) that last happened nearly a century ago (though whether or not it'd still have happened with another Republican candidate i'unno), so they may well be inclined to be more conciliatory to him. That, and his VP is right on message for them. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] I suspect at least some of their dislike came from them believing he'd tank their presidency bid.
The good part of the Trump administration is there isn't a single person involved in it who I would bother pissing on if they burst into flames. They all make up a grand, well-seasoned faggot ready to go up in smoke.
Related: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwepacaIhoY[/media]
[QUOTE=Anderan;51340456]What? Only 33% of Republicans support gay marriage. If they move to reverse the legalization of gay marriage it will be because they are against it, not because they are evil. Hell, they don't even have to use the religious aspect, they can just use the "the states should decide for themselves" excuse. People expect the Republicans to move against gay marriage because it's literally a part of their platform and the majority of their supporters are against it, not because the Republicans are some evil Bond villans. Also considering the increasingly partisan nature of American politics it's not really that unreasonable to assume if given the chance they'll stack the SCOTUS as much as they can just to say fuck you to the Democrats.[/QUOTE] This is probably one of the most telling parts of just how absolutely fucked this election is. I mean, the whole "reverse gay marriage" thing is... literally hatred. Like there are no positives to taking away the rights of people. It doesn't benefit straight people at all because the laws [I]don't fucking affect them.[/I] All it does is hurt people who have already undergone far too much suffering, not just in recent history, but for literally [I]hundreds of years.[/I] And yet, it's apparently "okay" for a presidential candidate to launch on a platform that blatantly says "if I'm president I will move to take rights away from people for no fucking reason because ew gay people amirite fellas?" without said candidate being fucking barred from politics. Imagine, if you will, that he'd said the same thing about literally any other group of people. Like, imagine if he'd wanted to make mixed race marriage illegal. Remember when [I]that[/I] was a thing? I don't know what's worse, honestly, the fact that the person now in power actively wants to take rights away from millions of people [I][B]for literally no reason[/B][/I], or the fact that half the country (or at least the drooling lunatics in the Electoral College) is 100% behind that. The last time the leader of a country launched a political platform with a basis of literal hate speech, [I][B]it resulted in the fucking nazis.[/B][/I]
Ive made that argument before and people just go and say "but that could never happen here". I must point out that prior to uts dissolution Germany was pretty damned liberal for its time. Im pretty sure people thought it couldnt happen there either.
[QUOTE=froztshock;51339088]So there's no defense of the policy anymore. "Yeah, Trump is going to be shit. Maybe if you LIBERALS didn't suck so much I wouldn't HAVE to vote for people to take away your rights. " This is a blatantly ridiculous position.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zyler;51339692]Why would people do something about it? Trump won and the majority of people think he's going to fix everything. Why would anything change?[/QUOTE] This was a negative campaign, i think the majority of people voted against the opposing candidate than for their own candidate's views. Hillary represented corruption, trump represented being deplorable, but while calling trump supporters deplorable doesnt win them over to your side, pointing out hillary's corruption does win people over. Most people vote on a very base level without considering policy as unfortunate as it is. Things like LGBT rights, people simply saw it as not as important as fighting hillary's kind of corruption. Maybe we'll get a new corruption, i don't know. Its just way too easy to handwave everyone who voted a different way as "oh they're stupid" and its what won trump the election. You NEED to engage, you NEED to give those people a place to speak with you where you can convince them, "quarantine them" (reddit) ban them (twitter) or limit their accounts (youtube) while yelling at them and you get a situation where you no longer have an opporunity to win people over...
I'm still here??
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51341725]Maybe we'll get a new corruption, i don't know. [/QUOTE] We will continue the same old corruption because there is no real incentive for Trump or, more importantly, Congressional Republicans to fix it. This is part of problem with engaging with Trump supporters; Trump and his platform are an article of faith at this point. People completely ignore political realities and just assume that because he is promising something, that means it will happen. They literally believe America is shit right now but Trump will make it good again. They actually believe Mexico will build the wall. They actually believe Trump will return manufacturing job to the United States. They actually think enforcing tariffs will strengthen the economy. Trump exemplifies the idea of monetary corruption being inextricably attached like a tumor to the side of our democracy and the Republicans are just as corrupt if not more so than the Democrats. If anything the establishment, the financial elite, and the political class will be strengthened [QUOTE=Mattk50;51341725]You NEED to engage, you NEED to give those people a place to speak with you where you can convince them, "quarantine them" (reddit) ban them (twitter) or limit their accounts (youtube) while yelling at them and you get a situation where you no longer have an opporunity to win people over...[/QUOTE] Do you think Zyler or most of us who oppose Trump don't already believe this? The people you are specifically responding to never called for quarantines or bans.
Pvt. Martin must be so happy right now I'm concerned for America and the rest of the world. My American family in California is seriously talking about moving here, and my friends are all shocked and sad that this is the reality. I don't know how much power Trump has, but he sure is a tremendous asshole.
[QUOTE=war_man333;51342188]Pvt. Martin must be so happy right now I'm concerned for America and the rest of the world. My American family in California is seriously talking about moving here, and my friends are all shocked and sad that this is the reality. I don't know how much power Trump has, but he sure is a tremendous asshole.[/QUOTE] I'd heavily considering moving too. I could probably obtain Portuguese citizenship through my mother, but I would have to go up to Newark where the consulate is in our state and just being white after Trump was elected will probably be enough for me to get stabbed. I'd also have to learn the language but it would be worth it.
[QUOTE=war_man333;51342188]Pvt. Martin must be so happy right now I'm concerned for America and the rest of the world. My American family in California is seriously talking about moving here, and my friends are all shocked and sad that this is the reality. I don't know how much power Trump has, but he sure is a tremendous asshole.[/QUOTE] Pvt. Martin isn't on the forums anymore. If you're legal, then you don't really have all that much to worry about. I doubt Congress will let anything fly, yes, they're Republicans, but they're also human too. Not everyone of them are alike. Your family can rest easy, and it won't be that difficult to live through. I sincerely doubt he gets a second term in any sort of reality, they will see why it was a bad idea, and people will hopefully learn from this entire experience. I mean everyone.
What's the situation in Maine regrading the marijuana ballot?
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