Shooting of homeless man was justified, apparently. (disturbing video)
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[url]http://krqe.com/2014/03/21/apd-officer-involved-shooting-was-justified/[/url]
[quote]ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) – Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper in the foothills, one even calling it murder. Meanwhile, the department says the shooting was justified.
In the department’s first news conference since the shooting took place, APD did something they normally don’t do, releasing the entire video of the incident.
Police say 38-year-old James M. Boyd is the man who was killed in the shooting last Sunday. So far, they’ve been unable to contact any of Boyd’s family members.
New Albuquerque Police chief Gorden Eden said Friday the video shows that the latest officer involved shooting is justified.
Boyd was arguing with police for more three hours last Sunday in the foothills after officers went to talk to him about illegally camping in open space.
“I’m almost going to kill you right now. Don’t give me another directive. Don’t attempt to give me, the Department of Defense, another directive,” said Boyd at the beginning of the incident.
As the hours passed, Chief Eden said an APD Crisis Intervention Team officer and a State Police liaison were called to the scene. Both attempted to speak with Boyd, however, Chief Eden says Boyd continued to threaten officers with death. Police also discovered that Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history
that included multiple incidents of violence against officers. Boyd’s history also showed years of mental health related concerns.[/quote]
raw video of incident released by police:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC9lHoZwfjM[/media]
Flashbangs, AR-15s, fully geared up, a dog, c̶h̶e̶c̶k̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶h̶o̶m̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶g̶u̶y̶ ̶w̶h̶o̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶i̶l̶l̶e̶g̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶p̶i̶n̶g̶?̶ to escalate the confrontation?
[QUOTE]Flashbangs, AR-15s, fully geared up, a dog, to check on a homeless guy who is illegally camping?[/QUOTE]
There must be something we dont know, theres no way they actually took all of that stuff out just for him or something...
I just watched the whole video...
That poor man. He did nothing to deserve that. He was talking to them calmly saying he was going to leave, and then BAM random flashbang and a barrage of bullets for trying to run away when he was obviously scared?
Terrible. Just terrible.
[QUOTE=Aman;44336197]
Flashbangs, AR-15s, fully geared up, a dog, to check on a homeless guy who is illegally camping?[/QUOTE]
Did you not watch the video you posted?
Did you not read the article you posted?
[QUOTE=Nestophales;44336223]Did you not watch the video you posted?
Did you not read the article you posted?[/QUOTE]
I did. And?
there is no fucking way they would have sent cops that heavily geared just for a homeless dude camping i mean come the fuck on. he must have done something.
What the fuck? I watched the video and I don't understand what they shot him for. Or why they were acting like he wasn't dead afterward.
e: Yep, makes sense now. No sympathy from me.
Either:
-We're missing something here, maybe the hobo did something to cause alarm
OR
-Those guys are a bunch of fucking idiots who shoot hoboes for fun.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;44336231]there is no fucking way they would have sent cops that heavily geared just for a homeless dude camping i mean come the fuck on. he must have done something.[/QUOTE]
The guy had a 20 year long criminal history with history of violence against law enforcement, he was armed with a few blades and was pulling a knife on the dog when he was shot.
like is it REALLY that hard to read the entire article, not just the 2 or 3 out of context lines the OP posted?
[QUOTE=Aman;44336230]I did. And?[/QUOTE]
He was armed with two knives and was in a stand off with them for 3 hours. Highly doubt the dog, tact vests, and AR-15s were the first to arrive, rather they're the response to an armed individual in a stand off with law enforcement.
what the fuck, why did they use lethal force and then try to use non-lethal force after they already killed him
Nevermind, my sound was on low and I didn't know he was still talking. it still seems like reverse order though
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;44336243]What the fuck? I watched the video and I don't understand what they shot him for. Or why they were acting like he wasn't dead afterward.[/QUOTE]
Because he wasn't dead? You can hear him calling "Don't shoot me" and "I can't move" and other shit like that. That have no way of telling if he's faking his injuries and waiting to attack officers when they get close or if he's genuinely wounded.
I couldn't tell if he was trying to comply as he turned around or reaching for something, this is probably why the cops opened fire.
It does all seem a little extreme though.
[QUOTE=Bridger;44336284]I couldn't tell if he was trying to comply as he turned around or reaching for something, this is probably why the cops opened fire.
It does all seem a little extreme though.[/QUOTE]
well then the dude shouldn't of been fucking around and not wasting 3 hours of their time knowing that they were probably going to come after him armed to the teeth because of his past.
[QUOTE=Bridger;44336284]I couldn't tell if he was trying to comply as he turned around or reaching for something, this is probably why the cops opened fire.
It does all seem a little extreme though.[/QUOTE]
He was going to walk away when he turned around to get his things. Then when they banged and let the K9 loose he pulled the knives out, probably to defend himself from the K9. However, atleast in America, the K9 is considered an officer. It would be the same thing as pulling a knife on a human officer. Hence, they blew his ass away.
[QUOTE=Aman;44336230]I did. And?[/QUOTE]
He was making threats and claimed to be a "special agent". If I was in the cop's situation I would not take the chance that he's serious and not just lying/mental. They only fired bullets to kill when he pulled out the two knives and threatened the canine police officer. They also took ample time for him to put the two knives down but fired when he turned around (presumably because they thought he was grabbing for something).
It's an unfortunate situation but it's really the homeless guy's fault; you don't pull out lethal weapons in front of a cop, continue to stand when they tell you to lay, and say you're a fucking "government agent" and threaten their lives. They even shot him with bean bags and used flash grenades before they shot him with real bullets, which is ample time to rethink your situation and drop the fucking knives you're holding.
[QUOTE=endorphinsam;44336328]He was making threats and claimed to be a "special agent". If I was in the cop's situation I would not take the chance that he's serious and not just lying/mental. They only fired bullets to kill when he pulled out the two knives and threatened the canine police officer.[/QUOTE]
He was obviously a crazy homeless dude and you don't escalate the situation with people like that you are supposed to make things calm.
crazy or not, the dude was threatening officers and got what was coming to him for doing so
[QUOTE=Bridger;44336284]I couldn't tell if he was trying to comply as he turned around or reaching for something, this is probably why the cops opened fire.
It does all seem a little extreme though.[/QUOTE]
The homeless man was armed with two knives and has a history of being a threat to law enforcement. He was still a threat and the police officers can't afford to have a guy like that flee.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;44336305]well then the dude shouldn't of been fucking around and not wasting 3 hours of their time knowing that they were probably going to come after him armed to the teeth because of his past.[/QUOTE]
How much of their time he wasted is completely irrelevant. You don't summarily execute someone because they waste police time.
It also says he is mentally ill, in which case they are going about negotiating with the guy in the wrong way - i.e threatening him with automatic weapons, a dog and aggressive language.
[QUOTE=Aman;44336337]He was obviously a crazy homeless dude and you don't escalate the situation with people like that you are supposed to make things calm.[/QUOTE]
it's called 0 tolerance for a reason. If a suspect pulls out two knives and threatens to kill you; the 10 minutes spent trying to "make things calm" could also be the 10 minutes spent being violently stabbed in the face by said suspect. Just because it's a "crazy homeless dude" doesn't change the fact that every minute he is not aprehended when he has fucking killing tools in his hands could be every minute he is killing you.
Could the police have treated the case differently that ended in a happier ending? Yes. But you don't exactly help anyone being captain hindsight, If you were in the same situation as the police officers I doubt you'd have the same plan you have now sitting in your chair looking at a computer screen. Being in the field is much different than watching other people be in the field.
[QUOTE=anis;44336366]How much of their time he wasted is completely irrelevant. You don't summarily execute someone because they waste police time.[/QUOTE]
how the fuck was this an execution? The guy was threatening police officers, was delusional as hell, and had a history of violence against law enforcement. He had it coming by the way that he was acting.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;44336393]how the fuck was this an execution? The guy was threatening police officers, was delusional as hell, and had a history of violence against law enforcement. He had it coming by the way that he was acting.[/QUOTE]
Summary execution.
"A person is accused of a crime and then immediately killed without benefit of a full and fair trial."
edit:
Funny to watch you guys attempt to rationalize the gunning down of a mentally disturbed homeless guy.
[QUOTE=Aman;44336337]He was obviously a crazy homeless dude and you don't escalate the situation with people like that you are supposed to make things calm.[/QUOTE]
this isn't a movie dude
you try and calm him down, ok, that's cool
[URL="http://www.easleys.com/ProductImages/woochie/SlitThroatWO019.jpg"]bam, now your throat has been slit[/URL]
[QUOTE]Context that's oh so conveniently left out: this man had a long criminal record (with considerable amounts of violence against police) and had been in a stand off with police for several hours, the officers made use of flashbangs when he refused to comply with their orders, and then opened fire when he swung the knife at the dog and the officer attending the dog (who was unarmed). They continued firing after he had fallen over because they believed he was faking injury to trap them.
But if you want to keep blindly circle jerking against cops and pretend that you're the ones who aren't mindless sheep, be my guest.•[/QUOTE]
stolen from the comments section
He had a knife and didn't comply with officers orders. You don't get to just "walk away" that's not how shit works. How do they know if he had a gun or not? Frankly how did they know anything about him if he could not have been identified until after he was killed. I'm not the biggest fan of the police but in this case I think it was justified.
Yeah I can see why this is being called justified, and I actually agree for once.
The loss of life sucks, but he really didn't give the officers much choice.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44336266]Because he wasn't dead? You can hear him calling "Don't shoot me" and "I can't move" and other shit like that. That have no way of telling if he's faking his injuries and waiting to attack officers when they get close or if he's genuinely wounded.[/QUOTE]
I completely understand the reasons of what they did, and they probably should of done it, but knowing he said stuff like that... I mean, something about it just really makes me sad. Even more-so for the cops, if they heard him.
[QUOTE=anis;44336366]How much of their time he wasted is completely irrelevant. You don't summarily execute someone because they waste police time.
It also says he is mentally ill, in which case they are going about negotiating with the guy in the wrong way - i.e threatening him with automatic weapons, a dog and aggressive language.[/QUOTE]
Mentally ill or not he was armed and apparently on further reading tried attacking the police dog who is considered an officer. They clear as day ordered him to drop the knife and what does he do. Tries taking off.
[QUOTE=Winner;44336708]"Does he still have the knife?"
Yeah he has the knife, but he's fucking dead, they seem to have forgotten that shooting people kills them
I don't understand why they couldn't have used non-lethal force, why weren't any of them armed with rubber bullets or a taser?[/QUOTE]
The yellow shotguns in the video are bean bag designated shotguns.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;44336692]Mentally ill or not he was armed and apparently on further reading tried attacking the police dog who is considered an officer. They clear as day ordered him to drop the knife and what does he do. Tries taking off.[/QUOTE]
If you watch the video you'll see the police dog runs at him, i.e the dog attacks him and not vice versa. If you have a knife you are going to hold it out to defend yourself against an advancing (aggressive) dog.
I think you should question setting a dog on someone armed with a knife.
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