• 12 dead, 59 wounded after shooting at Colorado movie theater
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But I think the real tragedy here is the thousands of animals that are abused and neglected every day. Please help them.
[QUOTE=Falubii;36867047]But I think the real tragedy here is the thousands of animals that are abused and neglected every day. Please help them.[/QUOTE] On the vernacular, I like to refer to this as 'the no true tragedy fallacy'.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36866996]You're not fucking sorry.[/QUOTE] I'm white, and America is a majority white nation. Let's not argue fucking semantics now, my god.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867058]I'm white, and America is a majority white nation. Let's not argue fucking semantics now, my god.[/QUOTE] What an insightful post. People called you out on your dumb post and now you are whining about semantics. Truly you must be so very sorry.
[QUOTE=Dori;36867042]why is it okay to mourn the deaths of one set of people but not the other? why can't you mourn both?[/QUOTE] HE can't, because he's a bigoted, racist, hipster piece of filth, as he's clearly evidenced from his time here.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36867032]While what you said may be objectively true, a lot of people suffering doesn't necessarily invalidate the need for empathy when a tragedy like this occurs. If anything, the lack of empathy for those children might be related to the fact that you have no empathy for the people who died. You've already split them into the outgroup, to be disregarded as something that doesn't matter. You should ask yourself what burned you so badly on society that you have no empathy for a random selection of men, women, and children who were terrorized and killed at complete random. There should be no reason that you can find to dislike these people in the information given, but you have. Perhaps you're what's wrong with society?[/QUOTE] It's just hard to care after years and years of hearing about and witnessing this sort of thing. I guess I have grown cynical and numb and I just come to expect it, and it'll be over by tomorrow (figuratively speaking for those who are going to take everything I say literally). [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36867073]HE can't, because he's a bigoted, racist, hipster piece of filth, as he's clearly evidenced from his time here.[/QUOTE] How am I racist? [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Boxbot219;36867066]What an insightful post. People called you out on your dumb post and now you are whining about semantics. Truly you must be so very sorry.[/QUOTE] He's calling me a racist because statistically most of those people were likely to be white. "Whites constitute the majority of the U.S. population, with a total of 223,553,265 or 72.4% of the population in the 2010 United States Census."
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867079] How am I racist?[/QUOTE] Well lets start with you telling us to not argue semantics, which means when you said rich white people you meant Americans. Maybe it's not racist because white people can't be racist against other whites. Or maybe you're just dumb.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867079]It's just hard to care after years and years of hearing about and witnessing this sort of thing. I guess I have grown cynical and numb and I just come to expect it, and it'll be over by tomorrow (figuratively speaking for those who are going to take everything I say literally). [/QUOTE] Except it's not over tomorrow. All of those survivors, and the families of those who died will go on living. They're going to hurt for a very long time. They matter. It's ok to be cynical, but you can't numb yourself to the pain as it leaves you ambivalent and unable to make a difference. If you think any suffering matters or should be stopped, you have to feel the pain and want it to stop. You can't have empathy without feeling it.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867079] He's calling me a racist because statistically most of those people were likely to be white.[/QUOTE] Here let me explain this to you as carefully as I can. [quote]18,000 children died today just because they couldn't get enough nourishment. That's unfolding every day and it is a much bigger tragedy than a handful of rich white people who were shot up.[/quote] Racist. [quote]18,000 children died today just because they couldn't get enough nourishment. That's unfolding every day and it is a much bigger tragedy than a handful of people who were shot up.[/quote] Not racist.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867079] He's calling me a racist because statistically most of those people were likely to be white. "Whites constitute the majority of the U.S. population, with a total of 223,553,265 or 72.4% of the population in the 2010 United States Census."[/QUOTE] Because that's TOTALLY what you meant. Before you started backpedaling harder than Bizarro Michael Phelps that is.
It's times like this that we need a real hero.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36867126]Because that's TOTALLY what you meant. Before you started backpedaling harder than Bizarro Michael Phelps that is.[/QUOTE] he's arguing that because the majority of the victims are white, they have white privilege and their lives are easy therefore their deaths are less tragic. that's not racist. it is stupid though
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36867126]Because that's TOTALLY what you meant. Before you started backpedaling harder than Bizarro Michael Phelps that is.[/QUOTE] No need to escalate. It's been addressed. He can ignore or heed it. I've used the term 'rich white people' nonracially, referring on the vernacular more specifically to the political and social beliefs held by the majority of wealthy American society. It really is a matter of semantics, since I doubt he was stating that he was unsympathetic due to them being white. For you to hang up on it as if it is actually a point of contention is doing a lot more harm than good. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] Also, your use of pop culture was needlessly referential and frankly confusing.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36867171]No need to escalate. It's been addressed. He can ignore or heed it. I've used the term 'rich white people' nonracially, referring on the vernacular more specifically to the political and social beliefs held by the majority of wealthy American society. It really is a matter of semantics, since I doubt he was stating that he was unsympathetic due to them being white. For you to hang up on it as if it is actually a point of contention is doing a lot more harm than good.[/QUOTE] I find it difficult to believe that he would have even specified the victims as rich and white if it did not have some bearing on why he believed them to be unworthy of his sympathy. If that wasn't the case then what even was the point of having the term 'rich white people' in his post?
Also your ad-hominem usage of 'bigoted, racist, hipster piece of filth' really makes any points you are making seem invalid. It's just a liberal application of random terms for what offends you, including the inexplicable 'hipster' for god-knows-why. He hasn't evidenced that he is truly bigoted or a piece of filth either. Perhaps you should check your own arguments before you needlessly attack another and attempt to create fruitless conflict with no intent of furthering the discussion.
[QUOTE=ze spy;36866694]Same fuck I posted earlier. [img]http://i.imgur.com/e7mwi.png[/img] I am seriously afraid to go back to school now.[/QUOTE] Mcdonalds is not a tip based job and minimum wage in arizona is 7.65 which is 10 cents more than I make at burger king in new york after a year and a half of employment.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36867214]I find it difficult to believe that he would have even specified the victims as rich and white if it did not have some bearing on why he believed them to be unworthy of his sympathy. If that wasn't the case then what even was the point of having the term 'rich white people' in his post?[/QUOTE] As I have said. You may not have heard it used, but I and a few people I know also use the term as a casual (between associated people) slur for the people who live in the middle-upper class who have no sympathy for the world around them. They are people who argue against any convenience being given to the common man on the grounds that they didn't have it to get where they are. It's a backwards term, but it is not unheard of. His inclusion of it was distracting, but not game breaking.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36867214]I find it difficult to believe that he would have even specified the victims as rich and white if it did not have some bearing on why he believed them to be unworthy of his sympathy. If that wasn't the case then what even was the point of having the term 'rich white people' in his post?[/QUOTE] It makes no difference what colour their skin was, I'm sure there were various races in the audience at the time of shooting. But I guarantee most of them were white, and compared to the number of deaths that poverty stricken children in other countries suffer on a daily basis, 20 well off (let me be more specific and say well off compared to those children, not necessarily well off by American standards) Americans is just a small ripple in a pond, and yet everybody is breaking down over it.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36867238]Also your ad-hominem usage of 'bigoted, racist, hipster piece of filth' really makes any points you are making seem invalid. It's just a liberal application of random terms for what offends you, including the inexplicable 'hipster' for god-knows-why. He hasn't evidenced that he is truly bigoted or a piece of filth either. Perhaps you should check your own arguments before you needlessly attack another and attempt to create fruitless conflict.[/QUOTE] Chill man, I was simply referencing the numerous posts calling him a hipster. My point still stands, he's an apathetic jackass and should cease his actions in this thread (which I hope to GOD is an attempt to troll those of us feeling saddened by this event).
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867260]It makes no difference what colour their skin was, I'm sure there were various races in the audience at the time of shooting. But I guarantee most of them were white, and compared to the number of deaths that poverty stricken children in other countries suffer on a daily basis, 20 well off (let me be more specific and say well off compared to those children, not necessarily well off by American standards) Americans is just a small ripple in a pond, and yet everybody is breaking down over it.[/QUOTE] If the color of their skin made no difference then why did you use a description of skin color as a part of your point in that post?
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36867280]If the color of their skin made no difference then why did you use a description of skin color as a part of your point in that post?[/QUOTE] Whether or not you believe him is up to you, but we've entered a loop. If he can't prove to you he's not racist, why are you asking him?
Just to let everyone know, I managed, with my team, to raise 6k to help the families in need in just over 8 hours in fort Collins Colorado
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36867280]If the color of their skin made no difference then why did you use a description of skin color as a part of your point in that post?[/QUOTE] It's a common phrase, deal with it. Has anyone here donated to help pay the medical bills for the victims that survived?
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867260]It makes no difference what colour their skin was, I'm sure there were various races in the audience at the time of shooting. But I guarantee most of them were white, and compared to the number of deaths that poverty stricken children in other countries suffer on a daily basis, 20 well off (let me be more specific and say well off compared to those children, not necessarily well off by American standards) Americans is just a small ripple in a pond, and yet everybody is breaking down over it.[/QUOTE] A human life is more than just a number or a statistic. Every person has their own hopes and dreams. Yes, it is tragic that there are people in other countries who die of starvation and disease every day. But this is a thread related to the recent tragedy in Aurora. If you want to make a thread about poverty-stricken children in other countries, be my guest, but that is not what we are here to discuss. You are not only off-topic, but you are attempting to convince us not to find a tragic event tragic because there are things happening in the world that may be percieved as more tragic. My grandmother is dying of lung cancer. But hey, there's worse things happening right now in the world, so I shouldn't care, should I?
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36867296]If he is arguing that he used the term nonracially, with no further racist evidence, then why can't you accept that and move on? Whether or not you believe him is up to you, but we've entered a loop. If he can't prove to you he's not racist, why are you asking him?[/QUOTE] I just want a straight answer to what point he was trying to make by including 'rich white people' in his post. I want him to acknowledge it because it makes me feel better.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36866952]18,000 children died today just because they couldn't get enough nourishment. That's unfolding [i][b]every[/i][/b] day and it is a much bigger tragedy than a handful of rich white people who were shot up.[/QUOTE] Just get out already, you're getting nowhere with your bullshit. We all know that most of the world is shit right now, and as the guy above me said "that doesn't make the theatre shooting any less tragic." You've made your point that you're some deep, edgy guy who doesn't give a shit about the people who were hurt in the theater. We got it. You're a douche. The matter here is that this is something that was planned and isolated and probably could have been avoided given the right circumstance. The starving kids and war and famine you're talking about is horrible, but something that's widespread and hard to remedy, we have plenty of organizations that work to help these people. Those situations do not get solved overnight and unless you have some amazing practical solution to the problem, then you need to get involved or it's going to stay that way. I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune if you were a survivor in the theater or if you had a close friend or family member there.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36867319]I just want a straight answer to what point he was trying to make by including 'rich white people' in his post. I want him to acknowledge it because it makes me feel better.[/QUOTE] I've already explained to you what I meant by it and you can't get past the fact that I didn't mean it in the way that you think.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867312]It's a common phrase, deal with it.[/QUOTE] I don't get it. Are you confused as to why people are empathizing or are you just repeating over and over that you aren't empathizing? Either way I don't get why you are continuing to post other than to flaunt that you have the power to continue to post.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;36867332]I don't get it. Are you confused as to why people are empathizing or are you just repeating over and over that you aren't empathizing? Either way I don't get why you are continuing to post other than to flaunt that you have the power to continue to post.[/QUOTE] He keeps asking and I've already addressed it.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867338]He keeps asking and I've already addressed it.[/QUOTE] Then what are you doing?
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