• 12 dead, 59 wounded after shooting at Colorado movie theater
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[QUOTE=Character;36867480]Yeah, I fucking did, because even though what you said was old doesn't fucking mean it wasn't terrible. I'm trying to stress the fact that you are a [b] BAD PERSON [/b], because the other posts didn't seem to highlight how horrible you act. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] "its not my fault that my idiocy got people angry, it's their fault for reading what i post in a public forum!!!!" No.[/QUOTE] Actually, I think I did it pretty effectively without ever resorting to ad-hominem attacks or causing a fight back on page 5. [QUOTE]While what you said may be objectively true, a lot of people suffering doesn't necessarily invalidate the need for empathy when a tragedy like this occurs. If anything, the lack of empathy for those children might be related to the fact that you have no empathy for the people who died. You've already split them into the outgroup, to be disregarded as something that doesn't matter. You should ask yourself what burned you so badly on society that you have no empathy for a random selection of men, women, and children who were terrorized and killed at complete random. There should be no reason that you can find to dislike these people in the information given, but you have. Perhaps you're what's wrong with society?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867514]So like I was asking before, has anyone that was up in arms about what I had to say, donated or done anything to support the victims that have survived their wounds and will most assuredly have hefty medical bills?[/QUOTE] I haven't been able to find a charity service for the victims. If anyone finds one that would be nice.
Can't the arguing just end?... Both sides? Please?
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36867528]I haven't been able to find a charity service for the victims. If anyone finds one that would be nice.[/QUOTE] [url]http://digg.com/newsbar/Worldnews/donate_support_victims_and_families_of_the_aurora_movie_theater_shooting[/url] Google, 2 seconds.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867514]So like I was asking before, has anyone that was up in arms about what I had to say, donated or done anything to support the victims that have survived their wounds and will most assuredly have hefty medical bills?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=areolop;36867297]Just to let everyone know, I managed, with my team, to raise 6k to help the families in need in just over 8 hours in fort Collins Colorado[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867514]So like I was asking before, has anyone that was up in arms about what I had to say, donated or done anything to support the victims that have survived their wounds and will most assuredly have hefty medical bills?[/QUOTE] It's a strawman argument and there is a reason people are ignoring the question. It's irrelevant. They are arguing that they find your stated belief that lives have value based on how poorly they are doing in the world to be morally objectionable. Your argument doesn't make sense. Why does a person being comfortable in life before being brutally slaughtered make the murder any less tragic? If you are a free-thinking individual with his sights on the big picture, who's to say they weren't the same? Your argument is based on a very fallible stereotype. These people were in all probability somewhat like you. The question is, would your death be less tragic than a child elsewhere starving? Would anyone argue that your life didn't have value based on the point that other people are suffering? Why are you arguing that? Please, if you have nothing to say that will generally be constructive in a thread primarily mourning the victims of the shooting, then please don't be prideful when people disagree with you.
[QUOTE=BassB;36867549][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=GodKing;36867514]So like I was asking before, has [b][i]anyone that was up in arms about what I had to say[/b][/i], donated or done anything to support the victims that have survived their wounds and will most assuredly have hefty medical bills?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;36867534]Can't the arguing just end?... Both sides? Please?[/QUOTE] Sometimes, people just love to be right, Sadly there's nothing we can do about it except report which won't do anything. In this situation at least.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867555][QUOTE=GodKing;36867555]So like I was asking before, has [B]anyone that was up in arms about what I had to say[/B], donated or done anything to support the victims that have survived their wounds and will most assuredly have hefty medical bills? [/QUOTE][/QUOTE] You still aren't making a point. Your wording is intended to incite further argument and really, I am doubting you have any legitimate point besides causing problems. You don't seem to be able to stop. Just please, stop.
As I recall they are covered to up to $20,000 and there was a fund on the front page of Reddit. You were the one who claimed they were just "rich white kids."
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36867552]The question is, would your death be less tragic than a child in Africa starving? Would anyone argue that your life didn't have value based on the point that other people are suffering? Why are you arguing that?[/QUOTE] In my opinion, it is less tragic, yes, the reason being while my life may be cut short, at least I didn't live my entire life suffering due to unimaginable poverty before succumbing to malnourishment. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=galenmarek;36867569]As I recall they are covered to up to $20,000 and there was a fund on the front page of Reddit. You were the one who claimed they were just "rich white kids."[/QUOTE] I didn't say they were rich white kids, I said in comparison to the 18,000 kids that literally did nothing but starve, and then die, those people are well off. In comparison. They may not be well off by American standards, but they are certainly not starving if they can afford to see a movie. Anyway, FreakyMe is right, it's irrelevant.
I read this and it made me sad. And then I imagined myself being there with my family or girlfriend, and it made me even more sad. I hope those who are wounded make it out ok.
[QUOTE=Badballer;36867595]I read this and it made me sad. And then I imagined myself being there with my family or girlfriend, and it made me even more sad. I hope those who are wounded make it out ok.[/QUOTE] Makes me wonder what kind of man, that's life seemed normal would do such a thing.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867581]In my opinion, it is less tragic, yes, the reason being while my life may be cut short, at least I didn't live my entire life suffering due to unimaginable poverty before succumbing to malnourishment. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] I didn't say they were rich white kids, I said in comparison to the 18,000 kids that literally did nothing but starve, and then die, those people are well off. In comparison. They may not be well off by American standards, but they are certainly not starving if they can afford to see a movie.[/QUOTE] Once again, but lose the numbness. Will your death be any less tragic to those around you? Your family and friends? Do you think any of those wounded or those who've lost someone are taking solace in that their kid lived in America up until they were slaughtered? It's personally tragic. Everything seems small in the grand scheme of things. You sometimes have to look at the details or you forget about what matters in the face of the big picture. I mean, why does it matter that those people all over the world are starving given that we are a multicellular life form on the third planet from a star in the vast universe? Surely, with that perspective, nothing matters. You are comparing two unlike objects, as I just did. It doesn't work. You aren't being constructive at all. You've come into a thread of people who disagree with you to defend your clearly entrenched viewpoint.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867312]It's a common phrase, deal with it. Has anyone here donated to help pay the medical bills for the victims that survived?[/QUOTE] How much have you done for all the human deaths abroad? Working on solving world hunger in your basement lair?
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867581]In my opinion, it is less tragic, yes, the reason being while my life may be cut short, at least I didn't live my entire life suffering due to unimaginable poverty before succumbing to malnourishment. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] I didn't say they were rich white kids, I said in comparison to the 18,000 kids that literally did nothing but starve, and then die, those people are well off. In comparison. They may not be well off by American standards, but they are certainly not starving if they can afford to see a movie. Anyway, FreakyMe is right, it's irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Stop threadshitting. This isn't about who has it worse. This is a thread for those wounded and killed in this incident.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867581]In my opinion, it is less tragic, yes, the reason being while my life may be cut short, at least I didn't live my entire life suffering due to unimaginable poverty before succumbing to malnourishment. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] I didn't say they were rich white kids, I said in comparison to the 18,000 kids that literally did nothing but starve, and then die, those people are well off. In comparison. They may not be well off by American standards, but they are certainly not starving if they can afford to see a movie.[/QUOTE] Is it safe to say that it's possible to sympathize with both groups of people? I mean, every time a serious massacre happens around the world it almost certainly ends up with a thread here on facepunch, and there are always people sympathizing in those threads as well. Sure it's true that we don't sympathize with the individuals living in poverty and dying in poverty on a regular basis, but that's because the media doesn't report on them. I wouldn't go so far to say that no one cares. As far as I'm concerned, a death is a death, and if it's the death of someone who is young it is tragic. I would say that is true in terms of all people in all walks of life whether they be rich, poor, privileged, starving, etc. It's easy to relate to these people as most of us are in their shoes. We relate to them because most of us are privileged enough to live in a first world country, and a great deal of us probably saw/wanted to see that movie; and even a few of us were close enough to the incident to know the victims. [B]I guess I just don't get why this argument is still going on. The first 3/4ths of this thread were helpful news updates and now its completely derailed.[/B] Can we just settle on the fact that people who are mourning these deaths are justified?
I think it's safe to say that the argument ended already.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;36867658]Stop threadshitting. This isn't about who has it worse. This is a thread for those wounded and killed in this incident.[/QUOTE] People who usually posts things like he does have never even been to Africa to begin with. I honestly hate when people bring up the "starving kid in Africa." Which is a terrible generalization of all Africans. I'm very sure an African in Johannesburg has it better off than one in the Congo jungle.
I can't donate to that one charity page that GodKing posted. When I try to donate it just hangs on processing. Anyone else having problems with this? Nevermind got it to work.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36867624]Once again, but lose the numbness. Will your death be any less tragic to those around you? Your family and friends? Do you think any of those wounded or those who've lost someone are taking solace in that their kid lived in America up until they were slaughtered? It's personally tragic.[/QUOTE] I can totally understand why those who were in the vicinity during the attack,witnessed the violence and had their brush with death, those who had loved ones or friends injured or killed by the perpetrator, and maybe even those just in the community in which it happened would be upset, but not necessarily those from across the country, or even the globe. I just don't understand why everyone breaks down when a small group in a random and isolated situation are harmed and yet there are countless tragedies on a massive level happening every day. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;36867658]Stop threadshitting. This isn't about who has it worse. This is a thread for those wounded and killed in this incident.[/QUOTE] Fine.
This kinda makes me realise that life could just end for you any day. At any second a madman could burst through the door and shoot you. Shit's depressing. Why the fuck do some people have to be like this? It's disgusting to think about someone who just decides he can juggle people's lives just because he has a few guns.
[QUOTE=GodKing;36867704]I can totally understand why those who were in the vicinity during the attack,witnessed the violence and had their brush with death, those who had loved ones or friends injured or killed by the perpetrator, and maybe even those just in the community in which it happened would be upset, but not necessarily those from across the country, or even the globe. I just don't understand why everyone breaks down when a small group in a random and isolated situation are harmed and yet there are countless tragedies on a massive level happening every day. [editline]21st July 2012[/editline] Fine.[/QUOTE] That's fine, you have just tried to rationalize things as an irrational being and have forgotten what it means to feel sympathy in a general sense. Just accept that the majority of the world cares about random deaths and be done with it.
[QUOTE=Zakkin;36867730]This kinda makes me realise that life could just end for you any day. At any second a madman could burst through the door and shoot you. Shit's depressing. Why the fuck do some people have to be like this? It's disgusting to think about someone who just decides he can juggle people's lives just because he has a few guns.[/QUOTE] You just have to accept that it's a possibility and keep going on with the assumption that it won't happen. You can't be paranoid. You could also be struck by a bolt of lightning or a meteorite during a walk to the store.
[QUOTE=Ac!dL3ak;36867464]Holy fuck I was born there[/QUOTE] I was just here for the national law competition and did some fundraising. We even made it in the local paper [url]http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20120720/NEWS01/307200031/Future-police-officers-collect-donations-Fort-Collins-victims-Aurora-theater-shooting[/url]
[QUOTE=areolop;36867920]I was just here for the national law competition and did some fundraising. We even made it in the local paper [url]http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20120720/NEWS01/307200031/Future-police-officers-collect-donations-Fort-Collins-victims-Aurora-theater-shooting[/url][/QUOTE] Wow thats awesome the most I can say I'm doing is sleeping.
It sickens me that the only response my Facebook post got was an acquaintance griping that gun control might be tightened as a result.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36867992]It sickens me that the only response my Facebook post got was an acquaintance griping that gun control might be tightened as a result. Faith in humanity (-1)[/QUOTE] doesn't Colorado have notoriously loose gun laws anyway? he got the guns legally.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36867992]It sickens me that the only response my Facebook post got was an acquaintance griping that gun control might be tightened as a result. Faith in humanity (-1)[/QUOTE] Would that not have potentially affected the possibility of this crime happening in the first place?
[QUOTE=GodKing;36868100]Would that not have potentially affected the possibility of this crime happening in the first place?[/QUOTE] Please stop, even a mod told you to. Also, I woke up to this and now I can really say, I deeply mourn the losses for the people who were caught up in this all, and i wish the best for the wounded
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