• Woman unloads at micheals baggers, accuses them of discrimination for being a trump voter
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[QUOTE=Svinnik;51448403]wow man ill tell the Appalachian whites, the poorest people in the US, about how they're considered weak due to the fact that rich people who happen to share the same skin color throw tantrums This isn't an issue with white people, this is an issue with spoiled people. People who aren't white cannot be spoiled now?[/QUOTE] Poorest? Dude the appalachian whites are definietly close to the bottom on the income ladder but I'm pretty sure minorities like the black community have it the worst in the deep south ghettos and areas like Michigan. If anything appachian whites are probably at the second most poor.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;51448178]So it begins...You guys poke at the left protestors for being arrogant and obnoxious (which they kinda are) Just you wait for the trumpets to be unleashed...[/QUOTE] I had one middle-aged woman (with vicious and earnest certainty) tell me that I was a college student with zero life experience that will help me succeed in the real world, all because I expressed disdain towards a tabloid cover praising Trump's plan for a wall while portraying Isreal's. She proceeded to badger me about the necessity of the wall as I waited for the line to move forwards, all in front of a Hispanic cashier who looked increasingly uncomfortable during the whole one-sided "conversation," and continuing throughout the entire time I was paying for my groceries. I guess 'college student' is an insult now, with a host of negative connotations.
Why couldn't humans just be like regular animals and all look kinda the same?
[QUOTE=Kigen;51448254]BLM isn't protesting preexisting divide. They're protesting police action that generally have nothing to do with race on the part of the police. But because the person the police were taking action against was black that then makes them relevant.[/QUOTE] Setting aside individual police action, claiming that race is not a relevant factor as far as the application of our law enforcement and criminal justice system is concerned is simply misinformed. Race plays a huge role, from determining how likely you are to be arrested for any particular crime, to how likely you are to be on the receiving end of violent force during that arrest, to the severity and number of charges you are likely to receive, to your likelihood of being convicted, and to harshness of the sentence your receive. Racial injustice is very real, Kigen. Minorities, especially young black men, face racial injustice and oppression at the hands of our criminal justice system every single day. Hell, many of the laws that most plague our poor, black communities were [B]specifically made[/B] to target minorities-- namely in the war on drugs. Traditionally "black" drugs received far stricter classifications and punishments than those primarily used by white people, despite being no more or less dangerous. You can argue that individual police action is often overanalyzed, and there might be some truth to that, but please don't deny that our criminal justice and law enforcement systems as generalized entities don't have statistically evident problems with racial discrimination. They do.
This is oddly similar to the Starbucks video with the guy who kept screaming "I voted for trump" like it made him superior.
[QUOTE=Kigen;51448197]I am so tired of this racial divide. This recent election and BLM has brought it out even more. Now its bring out the crazy neo-Nazis and other such groups. And the sad part is its pushing people even further apart. Why is identity politics a thing? Its literally giving legitimacy to racist because it makes everything about race or some other identifying characteristic.[/QUOTE] The deep racial divide in this country will not be healed by pretending that it doesnt exist
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51448210]The fragility of the white ego is something else.[/QUOTE] Maybe if you'd said the fragility of the racially privileged ego then you'd have a point and you'd be saying what I'm pretty sure you meant to say, but you didn't. Some liberals really need to deeply reassess the language they use to discuss social issues. Like when third wave feminists say shit like 'men are sexist' and complain about men 'mansplaining' that not all men are sexist. It's the same deliberately divisive, reductionist language as the bigots on the other side.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51450145]The deep racial divide in this country will not be healed by pretending that it doesnt exist[/QUOTE] I'm not pretending it doesn't exist. What I'm saying is the deep racial divide is being caused by the media primarily. Not by cops, not by laws, not by the government. The media thrives on conflict and division. If its a "slow day" then they're loosing ad revenue. I mean how many times must we see things like the Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Keith Scott, etc cases? Where the media puts on "witnesses" that didn't actually witness anything and later admit that. Where those "witnesses" say all sorts of outlandish things. Are there racist? Sure. But they are a minority, a very small minority, and they come from all the different races. Being racist is not something confined to whites. But the media and others sure like to pretend that it is. Why is everything being made about race? Because of identity politics. You have all these supposed "oppressed classes" of people. Oppressed classes based on race, sex, religion, etc.
[QUOTE=Levithan;51448318]White fragility is that thing where white (typically rich) people who have a crap-ton of privilege run into a small problem, like their food taking too long to get to them at a fast food joint, and they immediately become stressed like the world is out to get them, when in reality they've been catered to for most of the things in their life. At least that's what I understand about it, I haven't done any deep research so I might be Totally Wrong.[/QUOTE] I don't know about you but I've seen plenty of people white and otherwise get upset if something takes too long at a restraunt or having to wait too long in a line at a check out.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51449479]Setting aside individual police action, claiming that race is not a relevant factor as far as the application of our law enforcement and criminal justice system is concerned is simply misinformed. Race plays a huge role, from determining how likely you are to be arrested for any particular crime, to how likely you are to be on the receiving end of violent force during that arrest, to the severity and number of charges you are likely to receive, to your likelihood of being convicted, and to harshness of the sentence your receive. Racial injustice is very real, Kigen. Minorities, especially young black men, face racial injustice and oppression at the hands of our criminal justice system every single day. Hell, many of the laws that most plague our poor, black communities were [B]specifically made[/B] to target minorities-- namely in the war on drugs. Traditionally "black" drugs received far stricter classifications and punishments than those primarily used by white people, despite being no more or less dangerous. You can argue that individual police action is often overanalyzed, and there might be some truth to that, but please don't deny that our criminal justice and law enforcement systems as generalized entities don't have statistically evident problems with racial discrimination. They do.[/QUOTE] Where is your proof that any of these laws are made to specifically target racial groups? Sure, you can talk about the differences in powered cocaine vs crack cocaine. But where it the proof that it wasn't an over reaction to, say, more people using crack cocaine? The government likes to over-react a lot when it comes to crime problems. The drug war in its entirety is retarded. But seriously, where is there any proof that it was specifically targeting blacks? Look at weed for instance. Its fairly low down there as far as negative effects on humans. But for quite some time it was, and in some cases still is, treated like its LSD or crack cocaine. Look at the drug schedule. Can some particular laws affect one group more than others, yes. But I mean you putting motive into these laws that just isn't there.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51448210]The fragility of the white ego is something else.[/QUOTE] While I don't know the demographics of Facepunch, it's hilarious to me that presumably white people are complaining about how they're being characterized as crybaby white people. None of you are proving Lambeth wrong by trotting out the tired arguments like "if you replaced white with black its racist!!!! fucking sjw liberal!!! get a grip!!!!" Black ego can be just as fragile as white ego. It's not a competition to see which race has a less delicate self-image. Lambeth is just pointing out that white people (especially social conservatives), have thin skin. This woman, like many thousands of others, blows up at minorities for perceived "microaggressions." White and black people are different, as are our actions and statements. These things cannot be judged by the same metric. To apply a "black and white" filter to the actions or statements of everyone's actions means that you're ignoring the historical morass of injustice, inequality, and unfairness that blacks have suffered in America. Yes, it's a small thing to say "replace white with black and you're a racist," but it's still indicative that you don't care about the history of blackness. I'm a privileged straight white male. I honestly think Lambeth's post was a) funny, and b) true. It's a joke, people. Don't let your fragile white egos get in the way of appreciating it.
[quote]Lambeth is just pointing out that white people (...) have thin skin. [/quote] How the fuck do you look at what you typed and not realize that it's racist [quote]White and black people are different,[/quote] Jesus Christ.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51449479]Setting aside individual police action, claiming that race is not a relevant factor as far as the application of our law enforcement and criminal justice system is concerned is simply misinformed. Race plays a huge role, from determining how likely you are to be arrested for any particular crime, to how likely you are to be on the receiving end of violent force during that arrest, to the severity and number of charges you are likely to receive, to your likelihood of being convicted, and to harshness of the sentence your receive. Racial injustice is very real, Kigen. Minorities, especially young black men, face racial injustice and oppression at the hands of our criminal justice system every single day. Hell, many of the laws that most plague our poor, black communities were [B]specifically made[/B] to target minorities-- namely in the war on drugs. Traditionally "black" drugs received far stricter classifications and punishments than those primarily used by white people, despite being no more or less dangerous. You can argue that individual police action is often overanalyzed, and there might be some truth to that, but please don't deny that our criminal justice and law enforcement systems as generalized entities don't have statistically evident problems with racial discrimination. They do.[/QUOTE] Personally, the issue I have with BLM is how much they focus on police killings. When you actually look at the numbers, not just for how big of a percentage of people shot by police officers were black vs the population, but how many were killed vs how many crimes were commited by black people, it's not really disproportionate at all. There's real police discrimination in other areas which aren't just isolated incidents. And perhaps much more importantly, there's the underlying problems that cause black people to break the law so much more often than white people in the first place. America's problems with extreme poverty and bad education are much more important. Then besides that, there's gang violence, which is strangely almost never touched upon despite killing literally thousands of people every year. [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kigen;51453927]Where is your proof that any of these laws are made to specifically target racial groups? Sure, you can talk about the differences in powered cocaine vs crack cocaine. But where it the proof that it wasn't an over reaction to, say, more people using crack cocaine? The government likes to over-react a lot when it comes to crime problems. The drug war in its entirety is retarded. But seriously, where is there any proof that it was specifically targeting blacks? Look at weed for instance. Its fairly low down there as far as negative effects on humans. But for quite some time it was, and in some cases still is, treated like its LSD or crack cocaine. Look at the drug schedule. Can some particular laws affect one group more than others, yes. But I mean you putting motive into these laws that just isn't there.[/QUOTE] There's a quote from one of Nixon's aides, John Ehrlichman, that's been surfacing lately. Outlines how the war on drugs can very well be perceived as a war on black people and anti-war hippies. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
[QUOTE=Kigen;51448197]I am so tired of this racial divide. This recent election and BLM has brought it out even more. Now its bring out the crazy neo-Nazis and other such groups. And the sad part is its pushing people even further apart. Why is identity politics a thing? Its literally giving legitimacy to racist because it makes everything about race or some other identifying characteristic.[/QUOTE] Some people got the power, other people would like to have that power as well. The people who have the power do not want to share it= conflict! This Trump thing is just today's political shorthand. It's a convenient way to say a lot without saying a lot. It'll get old and be replaced probably after he takes office and the daily drudgery of seeing him as President every day causes the novelty to wear off.
[QUOTE=elowin;51453989] There's a quote from one of Nixon's aides, John Ehrlichman, that's been surfacing lately. Outlines how the war on drugs can very well be perceived as a war on black people and anti-war hippies. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/[/url] [url]http://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/[/url] <- Actual direct "second hand" account Interesting read. I will do further research on it. Given Nixon's known history of targeting political opponents I'm guessing its possible. But taking second or third hand information really stinks since of how much of it that has appeared in the media has been false lately. [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;51454185]Some people got the power, other people would like to have that power as well. The people who have the power do not want to share it= conflict! This Trump thing is just today's political shorthand. It's a convenient way to say a lot without saying a lot. It'll get old and be replaced probably after he takes office and the daily drudgery of seeing him as President every day causes the novelty to wear off.[/QUOTE] While the Presidential election certainly didn't help the divide has been years in the making. The media really whipped it up with Trayvon Martin's death when MSNBC selectively edited tapes to make Zimmerman sound racist by cutting out the 911 operator asking the specific question of race (since it is an identifying characteristic, same as height, weight, gender, etc that helps responding officers know who they're looking for). Ultimately, I feel it won't go away. Sadly, it has been an undercurrent for years. In one way or another. But yeah, both political parties don't like sharing power with each other. And they will go through great lengths to tarnish the reputation of the other party.
[QUOTE=Levithan;51448318]White fragility is that thing where white (typically rich) people who have a crap-ton of privilege run into a small problem, like their food taking too long to get to them at a fast food joint, and they immediately become stressed like the world is out to get them, when in reality they've been catered to for most of the things in their life. At least that's what I understand about it, I haven't done any deep research so I might be Totally Wrong.[/QUOTE] Wouldnt it be "rich person fragility" Instead of some racist bullshit?
[QUOTE=TheLonelyDonu;51453947] It's a joke, people. Don't let your fragile[B] black [/B]egos get in the way of appreciating it.[/QUOTE] [editline]s[/editline] when the fuck are you people gonna realize that wealth privilege stomps the categorical fuck out of every single other privilege to the point of borderline irrelevancy
[QUOTE=Kigen;51454194][url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/[/url] [url]http://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/[/url] <- Actual direct "second hand" account Interesting read. I will do further research on it. Given Nixon's known history of targeting political opponents I'm guessing its possible. But taking second or third hand information really stinks since of how much of it that has appeared in the media has been false lately.[/QUOTE] It makes a lot of sense when you consider that it's been a well established fact that most drugs are not all that dangerous since long before the war on drugs started, and yet it was pushed so fervently. Still, it is hard to prove what the exact motivations behind a decision is, and it could be easily be contributed to a combination of stupidity and coincidence that this is the effect it's had. But malice seems a pretty likely contender, and whether or not the laws were drafted out of malice it is clear that they have harmed greatly harmed the black community.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51448210]The fragility of the white ego is something else.[/QUOTE] People like you are apart of the damn problem. This is just some crazy fucking lady. If she was black and said racist shit would it be "black ego?" I highly doubt it. The election brings out fucking crazies from both sides, so don't even try.
[QUOTE]White and black people are different[/QUOTE] There is no difference in brain activity in white and black people. It is a skin pigment and a culture. There is no "white" or "black" ego, and if you think there is you are a racist. It was not funny or true.
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