[QUOTE=Kommodore;49832142]hey ranger
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I stand corrected
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832088]
A pretty sizable chunk of the people applying for asylum are actually migrants from Pakistan, India and Africa.[/QUOTE]
However,
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/finlands-no-good-disappointed-migrants-turn-back-152042061.html[/url] Its too cold, send us back.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/americas/uruguay-syrians/[/url] Syrians resettled in Uruguay: We want to go back
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/26/some-syrian-refugees-in-canada-already-want-to-return-to-the-middle-east/[/url]
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49832155]to not describe the people leaving places in africa + other places as actual refugees belittles the problems they are facing[/QUOTE]
Being from a poor and from a developing country does not make you a refugee.
Also, keep in mind that many of the people that entered Europe alongside the refugees didn't actually apply for anything.
I have two friends who came from foreign countries they ran away from war.
One of the guys was in war prison when he was 16 and had to fight from 13 to 16 and only came free when he was 21 so he basically had no youth.
They literally had nothing but their clothes and they integrated very well and raised a successfull upper middle class family with good income and education despite both lacking any standard school education.
Oh wait actually that's my grandparents.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832197]Being from a poor and from a developing country does not make you a refugee.[/QUOTE]you said africa wtf do you think they're escaping from
ranger just out of curiosity have you ever been to the third world in real life?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832088]
Construction is a high-skilled and competitive industry. Random people who don't speak the language can't do these jobs. Years in trade school, etc.[/QUOTE]
Trust me there's plenty of construction jobs they can do without the need of years of education.
They can do alot with just being able bodied and knowing how to use a hammer
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832197]
Also, keep in mind that many of the people that entered Europe alongside the refugees didn't actually apply for anything.[/QUOTE]
We are talking about refugees though, not illegals.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49832192]Where are they prioritized?
Srsly. I don't know Canada so please tell me wich law is doing that. I'm really interested because frankly I can not believe that.[/QUOTE]
There is no law that's prioritizing them, it's the general public suddenly caring about all the refugees when most of us have never given a shit about the homeless or about veterans when those have both been issues since long before the refugee crisis.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832197]I stand corrected
However,
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/finlands-no-good-disappointed-migrants-turn-back-152042061.html[/url] Its too cold, send us back.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/americas/uruguay-syrians/[/url] Syrians resettled in Uruguay: We want to go back
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/26/some-syrian-refugees-in-canada-already-want-to-return-to-the-middle-east/[/url]
Being from a poor and from a developing country does not make you a refugee.
Also, keep in mind that many of the people that entered Europe alongside the refugees didn't actually apply for anything.[/QUOTE]
Wait so
Refugees in Canada=bad because of homeless people
Refugees in other countries=bad because they don't stay
Make up your mind?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49832239]Wait so
Refugees in Canada=bad because of homeless people
Refugees in other countries=bad because they don't stay
Make up your mind?[/QUOTE]I think its refugees = bad
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;49832228]There is no law that's prioritizing them, it's the general public suddenly caring about all the refugees when most of us have never given a shit about the homeless or about veterans when those have both been issues since long before the refugee crisis.[/QUOTE]
But Canada spends billions every year on homeless people?
I feel really bad for whoever was going to be 25001
[QUOTE=duckmaster;49831720]It may seem unfair to the homeless families born in Canada but the Canadians weren't pushed out of their homes across the globe because of armed conflict.[/QUOTE]
Okay, why is Canada supposed to go out and help them then? If they are going to help people from armed conflicts why arent more places accepting refugees from everywhere?
Now the homeless get even more neglected, and veterans, people who LITERALLY fought in armed conflicts FOR the country. I seriously fail to see any sort of point in your post. Its really just saying "This group of people is a lot more important" things not even done by Canada.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49832239]
Refugees in Canada=bad because of homeless people
Refugees in other countries=bad because they don't stay
Make up your mind?[/QUOTE]
I don't see the point your making. Refugees are leaving a country like Finland because its cold. Is that really something a desperate war refugee should be doing?
How about the Uruguay story? Refugees demanding to be sent back to Lebanon despite having relatively well paying jobs and a basic understanding of Spanish. Its a bit disgusting.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;49832217]ranger just out of curiosity have you ever been to the third world in real life?[/QUOTE]
Why yes, I actually have. Two in fact. Does being from a poor country make you a refugee? No.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49831894]I am sure 35 Million Canadians will barely notice a plus of 0.07% increase of people.
[/QUOTE]
[B][I]Uhhhhhhh[/I][/B]
Thats actually quite a bit dude...
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49832289][B][I]Uhhhhhhh[/I][/B]
Thats actually quite a bit dude...[/QUOTE]
Hardly.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49831685]
Was it worth it? 10% unemployment, thousands upon thousands of homeless families and veterans still homeless..? On one hand most of these are actual refugees (unlike Europe) but on the other hand it seems a bit unfair to many of the struggling people born here.[/QUOTE]
The refugees have absolutely nothing to do with our unemployment or homelessness problems.
Have you ever made a single post that doesn't use disingenuous statements or outright lies to push a right wing agenda? And that little passive-aggressive "was it worth it", god, you're seriously the most smug person on these forums.
Didn't realize that countries weren't allowed to accept refugees in unless they had no homeless people. Thanks for the knowledge!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49832316]The refugees have absolutely nothing to do with our unemployment or homelessness problems.
Have you ever made a single post that doesn't use disingenuous statements or outright lies to push a right wing agenda? And that little passive-aggressive "was it worth it", god, you're seriously the most smug person on these forums.[/QUOTE]
I mean, not like that near-decade of Conservative governance could've done more to solve the homelessness problems. No siree!
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;49832325]Didn't realize that countries weren't allowed to accept refugees as unless they had no homeless people. Thanks for the knowledge![/QUOTE]
You're only allowed to help people if your country is perfect don't you get it!?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832284]
Now the homeless get even more neglected,[/QUOTE]
Why?
[QUOTE=Killuah;49832336]Why?[/QUOTE]
Helping refugees means that the programs in place to help the homeless just cease to exist of course. You must have missed the memo.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832285]I don't see the point your making. Refugees are leaving [...]
How about the Uruguay story? Refugees demanding [...][/QUOTE]
Please don't generalize. Is it the majority of refugees? Apparently not.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;49832325]
I mean, not like that near-decade of Conservative governance could've done more to solve the homelessness problems. No siree![/QUOTE]
Refugees are why our veterans are homeless, not the years of disgraceful neglect of services designed to help veterans by the Harper government which preceded the arrival of these refugees.
The mental gymnastics necessary to blame the refugees for basically [i]anything[/i] when they've barely even settled into our society yet are astounding.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832285]I don't see the point your making. Refugees are leaving a country like Finland because its cold. Is that really something a desperate war refugee should be doing?
How about the Uruguay story? Refugees demanding to be sent back to Lebanon despite having relatively well paying jobs and a basic understanding of Spanish. Its a bit disgusting.
Why yes, I actually have. Two in fact. Does being from a poor country make you a refugee? No.[/QUOTE]did you read either of those articles? the finn one has one mention of a dude saying it's too could while the rest of the article is about the anti-immigration sentiment literally sending them away
the uruguay article is about the families worrying what they're going to do or if they're going to be homeless after government housing support stops after 2 years, with the mother of a refugee being the one saying she wants to go back to the middle east
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832285]I don't see the point your making. Refugees are leaving a country like Finland because its cold. Is that really something a desperate war refugee should be doing?
How about the Uruguay story? Refugees demanding to be sent back to Lebanon despite having relatively well paying jobs and a basic understanding of Spanish. Its a bit disgusting.[/QUOTE]
Might just be me, but I'm a bit more concerned with Canada stories, rather than what a minority of refugees are doing half a world over.
So Rangergxi are refugees causing problems in Finland and Uruguay or are they complaining about it and leaving? Those are mutually exclusive statements.
You can't bitch about refugees [i]and then bitch about refugees going back in the same thread[/i]
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49832347]Helping refugees means that the programs in place to help the homeless just cease to exist of course. You must have missed the memo.[/QUOTE]
Or they have to spend more resources helping a group of people get into livable situations. They will turn places into refugee centers, which could have been more homeless/veteran centers, or something else that helps them or your people.
You know the exact thing they try with homeless and veterans. That moneys coming from somewhere. It being spent on a refugee problem they didnt have to take does take away money from that, and it being so closely related to what they money would go towards(as in helping downtrodden people into livable situations) a pretty valid point.
Obviously it doesnt cease to exist, dont know why you say that? But money spent on refugees is money spent on something that could have helped the country more directly, and the fact Canada has absolutely 0 fault for the middle east or the refugees situation, I dont see why they 100% should be taking in refugees.
I am actually curious, what are the actual benefits? Do you know as a Canadian yourself what benefits you get or will get as a country for taking in 25,000 refugees, especially looking at the entire refugee situation all over?
Are you people playing dumb or do you genuinely not grasp this?
Refugees causing problems is bad. Refugees leaving because it's cold and they don't like that is bad.
It's not bad because refugees are leaving, it is bad because they're entitled, whiny and evidently not fleeing imminent death.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;49832359]Might just be me, but I'm a bit more concerned with Canada stories, rather than what a minority of refugees are doing half a world over.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/26/some-syrian-refugees-in-canada-already-want-to-return-to-the-middle-east/[/url]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49832366]
You can't bitch about refugees [i]and then bitch about refugees going back in the same thread[/i][/QUOTE]
Its a statement on whether or not these people are refugees. A refugee demanding to be sent back to a warzone/overcrowded and strained country? Seems less than desperate.
[QUOTE=Lurr;49832393]Are you people playing dumb or do you genuinely not grasp this?
Refugees causing problems is bad. Refugees leaving because it's cold and they don't like that is bad.
It's not bad because refugees are leaving, it is bad because they're entitled, whiny and evidently not fleeing imminent death.[/QUOTE]
Good explanation.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49832316]
Have you ever made a single post that doesn't use disingenuous statements or outright lies to push a right wing agenda?[/QUOTE]
I'm right wing? I'd think my history would indicate otherwise.
[QUOTE=Lurr;49832393]Are you people playing dumb or do you genuinely not grasp this?
Refugees causing problems is bad. Refugees leaving because it's cold and they don't like that is bad.
It's not bad because refugees are leaving, it is bad because they're entitled, whiny and evidently not fleeing imminent death.[/QUOTE]what about the majority of refugees who are not causing problems and the majority of refugees who dont want to leave lmao
[QUOTE=Killuah;49831894]I am sure 35 Million Canadians will barely notice a plus of 0.07% increase of people.
[editline]28th February 2016[/editline]
Why do Refugees equal neglect of other groups for you?
Does care for homeless people equal neglect of war veterans for you?
Does care for war veterans equal neglect of care for disabled?[/QUOTE]
So in your mind public attention can be applied equally and fairly across all sorts of different groups even though the news and other media channels don't bother following the homeless problem because people by and large don't care about the issue in comparison to people fleeing a war torn country?
But of course, Killuah, there's no reason for anyone to look at the problems of the nation and have anything to say about it.
Canadians have a limited amount of tax money. Budgets do not have the ability to fund everything. Neither do peoples attention spans. Someone gets ignored. Someone gets shafted. You can think whatever you want about me, but I do not think it's wrong for me to ask questions about why the homeless community gets ignored so routinely in our nation.
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