[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49832533]you are using the minority to dismiss the majority[/QUOTE]
When the minority has outright said its used the refugees to get themselves in, and the minority is causing the majority of current issues in places right now, its safe to say knowingly bringing the problem in is not good.
When the minority is willing to commit suicide and take others with them, or when the minority has the means to get weapons and take over [B]100[/B]people hostage and start executing them, or the minority that controls almost the entirety of the middle east right now, then the minority is the issue.
This minority DOES shit while the MAJORITY does nothing at all.
When this minority is so fucking diehard for a cause they literally kill themselves for it, its powerful as fuck. And when a Islamic extremest group like ISIS states multiple times about a coordinated terror attack at the same time on the globe, that minority who believes with them, its very very scary and real.
[editline]28th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Killuah;49832569]Judging people by their usefulness is social darwinism and I hope you don't treat people around you like that.[/QUOTE]
I am never going to argue with you in SH.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832523]Is Canada ready to face crime that is backed more culturally than individually by some of these refugees? Is that fair making an obvious big and known risk with the current refugees to everyone in your country? I mean you do realize some extremists are 100% gonna be in that 25,000 and you only need about 5 to pull something big off? Why is Canada putting itself in that position?[/QUOTE]
Oh right, the refugees are criminals argument. We shouldn't help others because some of them may be bad apples.
We should just close the borders because LITERALLY anyone could be a criminal.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49832503]...what UN law? are you talking about Dublin Regulation (eu law??) ?
[IMG]http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/86B2/production/_88328443_origins_asylum_applicants_624gr.png[/IMG]
which of these are the economic migrants?[/QUOTE]
The people who bitch about not getting a free house, a flat-screen tv in their room and quick wi-fi and only getting a few Euros to buy cigarettes every week instead of you know, being grateful that they aren't getting blown to kingdom come. And yet, you still have those people who return to those supposed hellholes when they are told that they aren't getting all those things those human traffickers promised them. God, why the hell went the EU full retard when some shithead human trafficker got his family killed by being a greedy fuckhead who only got himself a life-vest?
Really, what the EU has told the European people about this migrant horde has been the biggest political hump of bullshit told on European soil since Munich Conference. But hey, fuck the opinion of the European people right, since the EU has already said multiple times that democracy is getting in their ways. Unfortunately for them, we are still a democracy and we still keep free speech in high regards. Speaking of which, I am not a big fan of how free speech seems to be under siege lately. Seems like they want to bend it into free speech only when the political status quo agree with it, which is rather wrong for oblivious reasons.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49832588]The people who bitch about not getting a free house, a flat-screen tv in their room and quick wi-fi and only getting a few Euros to buy cigarettes every week instead of you know, being grateful that they aren't getting blown to kingdom come. And yet, you still have those people who return to those supposed hellholes when they are told that they aren't getting all those things those human traffickers promised them. God, why the hell went the EU full retard when some shithead human trafficker got his family killed by being a greedy fuckhead who only got himself a life-vest?
Really, what the EU has told the European people about this migrant horde has been the biggest political hump of bullshit told on European soil since Munich Conference. But hey, fuck the opinion of the European people right, since the EU has already said multiple times that democracy is getting in their ways. Unfortunately for them, we are still a democracy and we still keep free speech in high regards. Speaking of which, I am not a big fan of how free speech seems to be under siege lately. Seems like they want to bend it into free speech only when the political status quo agree with it, which is rather wrong for oblivious reasons.[/QUOTE]good lord
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49832546]You kind of are when you literally say that to me specifically in complete and utter ignorance of my actual stance
then yeah, I'm kinda confused how you're the victim of being strawmanned and having words shoved in your mouth when your sole method of argumentation with me has been just that. Strawmanning my arguments into things that they're not, and putting words in my mouth.[/quote]
Then what the hell is your actual stance. I haven't had the time to read through all your posts and have only been able to read a few so I based that off of what I knew when I was personally arguing with you (don't try to manipulate this into me talking about the post about the general "homeless" argument). Oh and I'm not trying to be the victim of strawmanning, I'm just pointing out how fucking hypocritical you are in that aspect, blindly talking about how you're being a victim of strawmanning (despite the fact I never actually fucking strawmanned you in the first place since I wasn't even personally arguing with you) yet you're doing it right back.
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Government is government and different jurisdictions of them have different priorities and regardless you didn't specify.
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I literally said "governments of countries". Last time I check the government of a single city in a country is not the government of that country.
[quote]Do you really think the Fed cares about one cities homeless problem?[/QUOTE]
Do you think that's at all what I was talking about?
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49832581]Oh right, the refugees are criminals argument. We shouldn't help others because some of them may be bad apples.
We should just close the borders because LITERALLY anyone could be a criminal.[/QUOTE]
Difference is, you know that you are 100% gonna get some REAL bad apples in this bunch. Your point is extremely broad and ignoring all context and straight up thinking its just "Obviously taking mass people in a few will be criminals" its more that we 100% know the type of criminal, and that their will be them, and will be similar to the other refugee criminals.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832595]Difference is, you know that you are 100% gonna get some REAL bad apples.[/QUOTE]
Except only time will tell and you can't say that with 100% certainty until something actually happens.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49832561]Its extremely unfair to represent all criticisms of the liberal parties policies in regards to refugees as racist. The Trudeau government is considering accepting 100,000 refugees and we still have this homelessness problem that we've been ignoring for decades.
I think thats shameful. This has nothing to do with race or racism.
I think that thread is a perfect example of how people misrepresent me. Please take the time to read it. Also, criticizing the radical far left that hate white people, want people they disagree with censored and want segregation in the name of progress does not make me not left wing. I favor more social programs and actually support more immigration.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49827312]Humanity is not above biology. It affects our culture, economy and us as individuals.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=AtomicSans;49827347]Is that an unpopular opinion? I'm not being contrary, I'm curious, what do people commonly say that contradicts that?[/QUOTE]
Not gonna look for it but people always get angry about "lol biotruths".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49826558]Trump is hated by big business because they don't control him.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832595]Difference is, you know that you are 100% gonna get some REAL bad apples in this bunch. Your point is extremely broad and ignoring all context and straight up thinking its just "Obviously taking mass people in a few will be criminals" its more that we 100% know the type of criminal, and that their will be them, and will be similar to the other refugee criminals.[/QUOTE]
Which is why we should take the time and resources to go through each and everyone to make sure they aren't "poisoned" apples?
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49832606]Except only time will tell and you can't say that with 100% certainty until something actually happens.[/QUOTE]
That's what they also said in Germany and France last year.
What the hell happened to ''Prevention is better than cure''?
Or rather, what about keeping the general security in the EU instead of letting everyone in without having any sort of decent screening?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832595]Difference is, you know that you are 100% gonna get some REAL bad apples in this bunch. Your point is extremely broad and ignoring all context and straight up thinking its just "Obviously taking mass people in a few will be criminals" its more that we 100% know the type of criminal, and that their will be them, and will be similar to the other refugee criminals.[/QUOTE]
Can you please describe that type of criminal that you know?
Also please reread your last sentence.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49832606]Except only time will tell and you can't say that with 100% certainty until something actually happens.[/QUOTE]
And then what? Am I supposed to PM you when a terrorist attack happens in Canada and go "I told you so" Your naivety of this is pretty bad. The fact you would even say that shows how deluded you are.
I feel bad for those people too, and guess what? The MAJORITY cant do shit against that minority except run, because the Majority doenst want to kill, but the minority has every drive for that. This is why the majority of the middle east is absolutely fucked right now, and its exactly because of the mindset those minorities have.
This is a minority for lack of a better word, Gets Shit Done.
And when you let in 25,000 in ALL at once you have a very high chance to get at LEAST just a few and those few are CONSTANTLY trying to brainwash and sway any other refugee they think they can, its their ENTIRE purpose for going honestly. To sneak in, and try and slowly recruit some, and then do an attack.
So dont be so naive that not a single crime wont be commited out of this 25,000.
Wanna know how to solve this?
Take in 1,000 for starters, and get them SET UP proper. Then another 1,000, then another, then another.
You have more control, and far more focus and organization, and taking on a little bit at a time will also EASE in all the people who will be helping them. It will help everyone involved, and shit wont have to be so drastic like fucking Swedens EMERGENCY CRUISE!
Instead its nope, gotta take in a fuckload all at once because that has worked right?
[QUOTE=Jordax;49832635]That's what they also said in Germany and France last year.
What the hell happened to ''Prevention is better than cure''?
Or rather, what about keeping the general security in the EU instead of letting everyone in without having any sort of decent screening?[/QUOTE]
What is a decent screening and how do you not let in people fleeing by boat and traffickers?
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49832621]Which is why we should take the time and resources to go through each and everyone to make sure they aren't "poisoned" apples?[/QUOTE]
Which is something nearly impossible with 25,000
Which is why countries should SERIOUSLY be doing it much slower now especially after what we see. Like 1,000 at a time.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832661]And then what? Am I supposed to PM you when a terrorist attack happens in Canada and go "I told you so" Your naivety of this is pretty bad. The fact you would even say that shows how deluded you are.
I feel bad for those people too, and guess what? The MAJORITY cant do shit against that minority except run, because the Majority doenst want to kill, but the minority has every drive for that. This is why the majority of the middle east is absolutely fucked right now, and its exactly because of the mindset those minorities have.
This is a minority for lack of a better word, Gets Shit Done.
And when you let in 25,000 in ALL at once you have a very high chance to get at LEAST just a few and those few are CONSTANTLY trying to brainwash and sway any other refugee they think they can, its their ENTIRE purpose for going honestly. To sneak in, and try and slowly recruit some, and then do an attack.
So dont be so naive that not a single crime wont be commited out of this 25,000.
Wanna know how to solve this?
Take in 1,000 for starters, and get them SET UP proper. Then another 1,000, then another, then another.
You have more control, and far more focus and organization, and taking on a little bit at a time will also EASE in all the people who will be helping them. It will help everyone involved, and shit wont have to be so drastic like fucking Swedens EMERGENCY CRUISE!
Instead its nope, gotta take in a fuckload all at once because that has worked right?[/QUOTE]
Are you also against letting in tourists?
Because that's about 16 Million visits per year(2009) and rising.
And how is 0.07% "a fuckload" ?
And nobody is saying that "not a single crime wont be commited out of this 25,000."
These people are humans.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49832680]Are you also against letting in tourists?
Because that's about 15 Million visits per year(2009) and rising.
And how is 0.07% "a fuckload" ?
And nobody is saying that "not a single crime wont be commited out of this 25,000."
These people are humans.[/QUOTE]
This is how I know you dont even read shit half the time.
I said posts ago im just not gonna argue with someone like you in SH.
Except 1 freebie with your first stupid point.
How many of those tourists were coming from countries filled with extreme muslims and wartorn countries? How were extreme muslims getting passports, a plane ticket, getting through multiple securities, and heading to Canada? Wanna know why? Because its really fucking hard to just get on a plane from these places and go to another country, especially NA. You are ignoring all context of this and think because theirs a lot of tourists means it trumps criminal activity from a group of people or where they are coming from.
Dude, your argument is so fucking bad with the tourism shit because think of ALL the planes that are not exploding all the time over the last 16 years because of terorrists and extremists? Wanna know why? They have a real hard time getting anywhere unless someone can offer and the refugee shit is a free offer and ride for some.
Arguing with you on SH is a never ending cycle of petty shit and you never sticking on course or knowing anything. So I wont argue with you in SH and that was it.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832284]Okay, why is Canada supposed to go out and help them then? If they are going to help people from armed conflicts why arent [b]more places[/b] accepting refugees from everywhere? [/QUOTE]
What do "more places" have to do with Canada's policies?
Is there a specific number of refugees Saudi Arabia must accept before Canada starts accepting refugees too? Or is there any concrete reason Canada should peg refugee intake to Central or Eastern European intake?
Holy shit this blew up so quick,I know immigration is pretty sensitive but goddamn
[QUOTE=Killuah;49832663]What is a decent screening and how do you not let in people fleeing by boat and traffickers?[/QUOTE]
By actually securing the borders like the EU was supposed to do in the first place.
But no, one sad photo of some kid who should have taken swimming lessons was all it took to make that sail out right out of the fucking window, since people like Merkel started to shout ''REFUGEES WELCOME'' and ''WE WILL TAKE IN ANYONE'' in response to it, and now we are in this utter mess.
You really think that they will eventually stop coming when they know that the doors are wide open and will stay open since the EU evidently cannot guard it's own borders since they rather spend more time bitching about Eastern European countries actually enforcing their own borders?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832661]And then what? Am I supposed to PM you when a terrorist attack happens in Canada and go "I told you so" Your naivety of this is pretty bad. The fact you would even say that shows how deluded you are.
I feel bad for those people too, and guess what? The MAJORITY cant do shit against that minority except run, because the Majority doenst want to kill, but the minority has every drive for that. This is why the majority of the middle east is absolutely fucked right now, and its exactly because of the mindset those minorities have.
This is a minority for lack of a better word, Gets Shit Done.
And when you let in 25,000 in ALL at once you have a very high chance to get at LEAST just a few and those few are CONSTANTLY trying to brainwash and sway any other refugee they think they can, its their ENTIRE purpose for going honestly. To sneak in, and try and slowly recruit some, and then do an attack.
[B]So dont be so naive that not a single crime wont be commited out of this 25,000.[/B]
Wanna know how to solve this?
Take in 1,000 for starters, and get them SET UP proper. Then another 1,000, then another, then another.
You have more control, and far more focus and organization, and taking on a little bit at a time will also EASE in all the people who will be helping them. It will help everyone involved, and shit wont have to be so drastic like fucking Swedens EMERGENCY CRUISE!
Instead its nope, gotta take in a fuckload all at once because that has worked right?[/QUOTE]
Uhh when the fuck did I say that??
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832686]This is how I know you dont even read shit half the time.
I said posts ago im just not gonna argue with someone like you in SH.[/QUOTE]
You were talking about bad apples in groups of people you let in and I'm asking you if you are afraid of the 16 million people visiting Canada each year.
If we take your
[quote]in that 25,000 and you only need about 5 to pull something big off[/quote]
we have about 3000 terrorist attacks ("something big") to be expected.
But since that is ridiculous lets say that tourists are 100 times less likely to do a terror attack that still leaves 30 "something bigs" which is still much more than the 5 you are so afraid of.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49832698]sad photo of some kid [b]who should have taken swimming lessons[/b][/QUOTE]
Are you going to be offended if people don't consider this a moderate, centre-right wing statement?
[QUOTE=The golden;49832709]Can we please stop with the 0.07% thing because the final total that the Liberal government wants to let into Canada will be much higher than 25,000 people.[/QUOTE]
He called 25k " a fuckload" so that's what I amreferring to.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49832706]Uhh when the fuck did I say that??[/QUOTE]
When you said "Only time will tell, you cant be 100% certain" sounded like you couldnt be 100% certain that some serious crimes will be committed.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49832698]By actually securing the borders like the EU was supposed to do in the first place.
[B]But no, one sad photo of some kid who should have taken swimming lessons[/B] was all it took to make that sail out right out of the fucking window, since people like Merkel started to shout ''REFUGEES WELCOME'' and ''WE WILL TAKE IN ANYONE'' in response to it, and now we are in this utter mess.
You really think that they will eventually stop coming when they know that the doors are wide open and will stay open since the EU evidently cannot guard it's own borders since they rather spend more time bitching about Eastern European countries actually enforcing their own borders?[/QUOTE]
Holy fucking shit.
Just. Wow.
Can you please go to your bathroom and literally say "some kid who should have taken swimming lessons" and watch yourself while doing that?
[QUOTE=Jordax;49832698]By actually securing the borders like the EU was supposed to do in the first place.
But no, one sad photo of [b]some kid who should have taken swimming lessons[/b] was all it took to make that sail out right out of the fucking window, since people like Merkel started to shout ''REFUGEES WELCOME'' and ''WE WILL TAKE IN ANYONE'' in response to it, and now we are in this utter mess.
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What the [i]fuck[/i]
[QUOTE=The golden;49832709]Can we please stop with the 0.07% thing because the final total that the Liberal government wants to let into Canada will be much higher than 25,000 people.[/QUOTE]
Well even in that case it's still a low percentage.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49832594]Then what the hell is your actual stance. I haven't had the time to read through all your posts and have only been able to read a few so I based that off of what I knew when I was personally arguing with you (don't try to manipulate this into me talking about the post about the general "homeless" argument). Oh and I'm not trying to be the victim of strawmanning, I'm just pointing out how fucking hypocritical you are in that aspect, blindly talking about how you're being a victim of strawmanning (despite the fact I never actually fucking strawmanned you in the first place since I wasn't even personally arguing with you) yet you're doing it right back.
I literally said "governments of countries". Last time I check the government of a single city in a country is not the government of that country.
Do you think that's at all what I was talking about?[/QUOTE]
That we should help the refugees and help the homeless more because it's a pressing issue we've ignored for 3 decades now(seriously, 3 decades of reducing their help, and budgets, no gains, just cuts for 30 years and you say we're still helping the homeless?). You strawmanned the fuck out of me by stating(directly in a post to me) that it's [QUOTE]"We have a homeless problem so we shouldn't accept refugees"[/QUOTE] which is NOT my point of view, and in fact, in the very post I said [QUOTE] "Accept the refugees. Please do".[/QUOTE] so tell me how I'm getting buttmad about nothing when you constantly ignored my actual opinion to assert your assumption of my opinion.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49832476]You do realize that the homeless issue has been around for a long time right? That means we've had a long time to implement programs, such as homeless shelters and otherwise. The only reason countries are rapidly trying to help the refugee issue is because the refugee issue is rapidly becoming a thing. It's not as if the governments of countries just forgot about homeless people.[/QUOTE]
And I brought up my city, my government because the logistics of all these things are handled [B]LOCALLY[/B] not at a federal level. And again, you did not specify what government cares about it, instead using a blanket generalization to white wash my issues into oblivion, rather than say "oh what are the issues with your city that make it special in these cases" no, lets just forget context, and pretend that because our governments are aware of homelessness, that we're all equally doing something about it. no. please stop.
It gets pretty hard to argue with you when on one page 3 seperate times I say "Please let the refugees in" and you continuelly say that i'm saying bullshit like [QUOTE]"We have a homeless problem so we shouldn't accept refugees"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The golden;49832709]Can we please stop with the 0.07% thing because the final total that the Liberal government wants to let into Canada will be much higher than 25,000 people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, just look at Germany's current government. It will only be 800000, they said at the start, and now they are saying that it will be only 3.6 million now in a few years. I wonder when they admit that they fucked up insanely badly.
But according to people like Killuah, that is okay, since it will be only around 5 percent of the German population at that point!
Fucking hell, they cannot even hold the 1.2 million to 1.5 million they have now without dumping a few thousand of ''''refugees'''' on random little villages, without the citizens who are living there having any say in the matter.
Their way of life is getting screwed with big time, but you don't see the current German government, Merkel, and the EU giving a shit about that.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49832739]Yeah, just look at Germany's current government. It will only be 800000, they said at the start, and now they are saying that it will be only 3.6 million now in a few years. I wonder when they admit that they fucked up insanely badly.
Fucking hell, they cannot even hold the 1.2 million to 1.5 million they have now without dumping a few thousand of ''''refugees'''' on random little villages, without the citizens who are living there having any say in the matter. Their way of life is getting screwed with big time, but you don't see the current German government, Merkel, and the EU giving a shit about that.[/QUOTE]
That one village that had too many is doing pretty fine so far you even posted in the trhead when I updated it.
But this is about Canada.
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