Lmao Jordax that was some hella dark comedy
Jesus christ
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49832724]When you said "Only time will tell, you cant be 100% certain" sounded like you couldnt be 100% certain that some serious crimes will be committed.[/QUOTE]
That's your assumption. Maybe you should stick with what I actually type instead of guessing what I actually think. THANKS!
Besides, that "you" was directed at YOU, as in YOU can't be 100% certain.
[editline]28th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jordax;49832698]By actually securing the borders like the EU was supposed to do in the first place.
[B]But no, one sad photo of some kid who should have taken swimming lessons[/B] was all it took to make that sail out right out of the fucking window, since people like Merkel started to shout ''REFUGEES WELCOME'' and ''WE WILL TAKE IN ANYONE'' in response to it, and now we are in this utter mess.
You really think that they will eventually stop coming when they know that the doors are wide open and will stay open since the EU evidently cannot guard it's own borders since they rather spend more time bitching about Eastern European countries actually enforcing their own borders?[/QUOTE]
wooooooooooooow
You seem like a nice person.
The reason I personally bring up the homeless in response to the refugee crisis is that if in 30 years my city/nation hasn't changed or really stepped up their homeless help policy, then when will they if ever? 30 years. In those 30 years were there not times to talk about it? To act on it? Can we not, now that we have a greater care for human life, all human life, now have a talk about how "Hey, we really fucking have to do something about this it's getting worse every year, please can we do something" to only have the inevitable reply be "No we have more pressing issues". We have for 30 years. I guess we will truly never talk about it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49832781]The reason I personally bring up the homeless in response to the refugee crisis is that if in 30 years my city/nation hasn't changed or really stepped up their homeless help policy, then when will they if ever? 30 years. In those 30 years were there not times to talk about it? To act on it? Can we not, now that we have a greater care for human life, all human life, now have a talk about how "Hey, we really fucking have to do something about this it's getting worse every year, please can we do something" to only have the inevitable reply be "No we have more pressing issues". We have for 30 years. I guess we will truly never talk about it.[/QUOTE]
Saying "hey now that we are more aware of human tragedy lets use the media to look on other people too" is a big difference to creating some moral pit of "homeless" vs "refugees" because of simplistic "but the budget" phrases and I actually support the first statement.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49832796]Saying "hey now that we are more aware of human tragedy lets use the media to look on other people too" is a big difference to creating some moral pit of "homeless" vs "refugees" and I actually support the first statement.[/QUOTE]
See the issue is Killuah, you imagine I'm trying to pit one against the other. Why you imagine that would only be rude speculation on my part, but you clearly do because rather than take me at good faith, no, i'm a horrible person who wants to prevent the safety of others from being insured when no, i'm sorry, that's not true, that's not me.
Canada, as a whole, did not really care about helping the refugees a whole lot. It took [B]one photo[/B], and suddenly, almost literally over night, we [B]needed[/B] to help them, it was a soul crushing desire most of my country had to help, because the plight became real over one photo. If all it takes is one sad photo to make people care about their fellow humans, can we also get one of the people dying on the street here, maybe spark some good will?
I hate that I can't even bring up the homeless without the initial thought from yourself, and like minded posters being "You racist fuck" or "You're trying to create a moral pit". No.
Stop assuming so much.
[QUOTE=Tarver;49832695]Holy shit this blew up so quick,I know immigration is pretty sensitive but goddamn[/QUOTE]
Immigration wasn't that sensitive of a topic until people decided that they wanted it to be. Canada has been accepting middle eastern refugees (yes, including Syrians) for years and very few people complained about it because conservatives hadn't turned it into the current scapegoat for everything yet.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49832829]Immigration wasn't that sensitive of a topic until people decided that they wanted it to be. Canada has been accepting middle eastern refugees (yes, including Syrians) for years and very few people complained about it because conservatives hadn't turned it into the current scapegoat for everything yet.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that's a fair comparison but what do I know
people weren't mad about immigration, they were mad about mass immigration.
I don't think it's right to be mad about it, but to say there's no context to their anger is a lie.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49832819]See the issue is Killuah, you imagine I'm trying to pit one against the other. Why you imagine that would only be rude speculation on my part, but you clearly do because rather than take me at good faith, no, i'm a horrible person who wants to prevent the safety of others from being insured when no, i'm sorry, that's not true, that's not me.
Canada, as a whole, did not really care about helping the refugees a whole lot. It took [B]one photo[/B], and suddenly, almost literally over night, we [B]needed[/B] to help them, it was a soul crushing desire most of my country had to help, because the plight became real over one photo. If all it takes is one sad photo to make people care about their fellow humans, can we also get one of the people dying on the street here, maybe spark some good will?
I hate that I can't even bring up the homeless without the initial thought from yourself, and like minded posters being "You racist fuck" or "You're trying to create a moral pit". No.
Stop assuming so much.[/QUOTE]
At least here in Germany that's because the "hey but what about the homeless" argument has been used by right wing extremist and NeoNazi parties for almost 40 years now, you can thank them for that.
[editline]29th February 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49832852]I don't think that's a fair comparison but what do I know
people weren't mad about immigration, they were mad about mass immigration.
I don't think it's right to be mad about it, but to say there's no context to their anger is a lie.[/QUOTE]
Their context is false perception of dangers and searching for scapegoats for the actual crisis we are all part of that is a result of consumerism and the neoliberal turbocapitalism of the 90's and 2000s.
It's easier to blame refugees for "country becoming shit" than accepting that you were taking part in opening the gap between rich and poor when you signed that life insurance for maximum interest rates and thus telling the bank that maximum profit for minimum work is what you desire.
Who do you think is creating the wealth that pays our interest rates?
I know that WE bought a shitload of fake Greek bonds before 2008.
It's easier to blame refugees than acepting that the almost unlimited freedom we have in our society drove people to being not exploited by a system but by themselves because in a dog-eat-dog world you have to optimize yourself.
The ones that can't do that or have a background that makes them more prone to that (see Eastern Germany for example) are the losers of the system that-at least- gave them cheap flat screens, at the cost of human lives though. Do you buy at H&M? I did.
But humans rarely blame themselves, especially when for example Eastern Germans have been voting Conservative parties that became the bitches of capitalism for the last 20 years and constantly decreased taxes for the rich, for capital and stocks while eroding social systems because conservative parties promise stability and comfort by not changing much that affects most of the voters directly.
You can see the ssame effect in the US.
Who is doing the industry-friendly laws and totes "trickle down economics"? Certainly not the Pro-Refugee parties.
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