European MPs to Israel: Lift Gaza blockade completely - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JDK721;22859757]bombing schools/clinics/hospitals, etc. all fictional events[/QUOTE] Hamas firing rockets from there. all fictional events

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22859755]I said that overall it's necessary, but I thought that the food ban and all that stuff which is considered "luxurious" should be allowed, regardless of the fact that it has a point too. And now all food will be allowed with no restrictions, and guess what? I'm happy about it. So what do you have to say now.[/QUOTE] I have to wonder why basic construction supplies are still banned and why you are not speaking out against it.

[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22859486][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Israelis_killed_by_Palestinians_in_Israel_and_Palestinians_killed_by_Israelis_in_Gaza_-_2008_prior_to_Gaza_War.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=WecksyRex;22859620]"The conflict left between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinians and 13 Israelis killed[44]." [IMG]http://imgur.com/KJlby.png[/IMG] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22859796]I have to wonder why basic construction supplies are still banned and why you are not speaking out against it.[/QUOTE] He's made the argument countless times that those supplies are allowed by any Humanitarian organization on request, but not to private merchants.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22859796]I have to wonder why basic construction supplies are still banned and why you are not speaking out against it.[/QUOTE] they may use concrete to build bombs and sugar? they might use that to make bombs as well! :downs:

[QUOTE=Regulas021;22859841]He's made the argument countless times that those supplies are allowed by any Humanitarian organization on request, but not to private merchants.[/QUOTE] "Yes, you can have these supplies. But you have to beg for them."

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22859906]"Yes, you can have these supplies. But you have to beg for them."[/QUOTE] No, those supplies are used to build tunnels (supposedly), and as such they are restricted.

[QUOTE=Regulas021;22859950]No, those supplies are used to build tunnels (supposedly), and as such they are restricted.[/QUOTE] They're also used to build buildings, something that Israel keeps destroying. "hurr durr let's destroy a country and then never let them rebuild and say we're defending ourselves from terrorism :smile:"

[QUOTE=Regulas021;22859950]No, those supplies are used to build tunnels (supposedly), and as such they are restricted.[/QUOTE] And food can be used to start a food fight, they should re-ban that

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22859796]I have to wonder why basic construction supplies are still banned and why you are not speaking out against it.[/QUOTE] They aren't banned. They were even allowed before, but only humanitarian aid groups were allowed to ask for them, while "private merchants" couldn't. This is because the Hamas could use them to build tunnels, which will make it easy for them to acquire rockets. Also, the Hamas has raided construction material supplies coming into Gaza, and took it for themselves, but almost nobody here said anything about that.

[QUOTE=WecksyRex;22860020]They're also used to build buildings, something that Israel keeps destroying. "hurr durr let's destroy a country and then never let them rebuild and say we're defending ourselves from terrorism :smile:"[/QUOTE] And, as I said, aid organizations are allowed the materials to build those buildings. I don't support many aspects of the blockade, and if I was a Palestinian it very well might push me to start launching rockets myself. Regardless of that, it's hardly a black and white Braveheart-esque story of good vs evil that so many people seem to think it is. [QUOTE=Zeke129;22860124]And food can be used to start a food fight, they should re-ban that[/QUOTE] Yes, that's clearly the same thing.

I consider Hamas to be terroristic; but I condemn the way Israel responds to it. They both kill innocent people, unfortunately Israel kills many times more.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22857858]What? Is protesting against the Hamas getting weapons dumb now?[/QUOTE] Sure, there are dumbfucks who might still hold a grudge, but it'd be a much better idea to lift the blockade and aid in their recovery on a civilian level. Get the fuck over the fact that a few people might have guns, they're not the whole populace.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;22861089]Sure, there are dumbfucks who might still hold a grudge, but it'd be a much better idea to lift the blockade and aid in their recovery on a civilian level. Get the fuck over the fact that a few people might have guns, they're not the whole populace.[/QUOTE] But Israel has done just that, started allowing food and supplies, while still banning weapons and regulating everything that goes in. I don't see how can anyone say Israel is doing something bad now, unless they either: A) Don't want the Palestinians to be able to get whatever they want. B) Want the Hamas to get weapons.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22861169]But Israel has done just that, started allowing food and supplies, while still banning weapons and regulating everything that goes in. I don't see how can anyone say Israel is doing something bad now, unless they either: A) Don't want the Palestinians to be able to get whatever they want. B) Want the Hamas to get weapons.[/QUOTE] Israel was provoked, but it has no right to blockade Gaza and needs to leave. You kill the fuckers with weapons while encouraging civilian growth in the region, something your country is not doing, and you'd have a better outcome then what is going on now. Quit defending a bad policy.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22859777]Hamas firing rockets from there. all fictional events[/QUOTE] For fucking sake, how many times do I have to direct you to this link [highlight]U.N: NO HAMAS FIGHTERS IN BOMBED SCHOOL![/HIGHLIGHT] [url]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html[/url]

[QUOTE=starpluck;22869784]For fucking sake, how many times do I have to direct you to this link [highlight]U.N: NO HAMAS FIGHTERS IN BOMBED SCHOOL![/HIGHLIGHT] [url]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html[/url][/QUOTE] You do realize, that WP isn't considered an offensive weapon? It's not used against terrorists (it's even illegal to use it against enemy personnel). The WP that was used there was used only to obscure, it wasn't used to cause damage or harm or whatever. [editline]01:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;22863468]Israel was provoked, but it has no right to blockade Gaza and needs to leave. You kill the fuckers with weapons while encouraging civilian growth in the region, something your country is not doing, and you'd have a better outcome then what is going on now. Quit defending a bad policy.[/QUOTE] I'd be happy to only kill the fuckers with weapons, but they use the innocent civilians as shields and stuff, it's impossible to do so. Tell me, what is Israel supposed to do, that would defend its civilians without what you might call unnecessary civilian suffering?

[QUOTE=Sickle;22859401]Yeah sure, and America giving Israel weapons doesn't stir up a shit, does it?[/QUOTE] I don't believe we still provide Israel with military hardware. Haven't for some time now. We still SELL hardware to the Israelis, but they sell stuff to the United States as well. The majority of the hardware we sell to them today is almost undoubtedly replacement parts for their attack aircraft. [editline]07:05AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22871431]You do realize, that WP isn't considered an offensive weapon? [/QUOTE] Nah, WP itself is nasty stuff and, when loaded properly, is an intensely powerful anti personnel weapon. Also decent at destroying non-reinforced structures. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_77_bomb[/url] US uses it in place of napalm. However that said, the shells that were loaded with the stuff were not even remotely designed to kill people with any degree of effectiveness. They were designed by the United States for the purposes of spreading smoke and marking targets. Keep in mind as well that the US actually does have an active arsenal of WP based weapons, so when we use it in a smoke shell, there is no reason for it to be intentionally any more lethal than is necessary to deploy the smoke. There isn't some conspiracy where we make secretly super dangerous anti-personnel smoke shells.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22858546]You are a blind fool. That is all I have to say. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - TH89))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - TH89))[/highlight][/QUOTE] How does a 'blind fool' constitute a [B]7 day[/B] flaming ban? Holy shit, I seen worse that were either ignored or recieved a one day ban.

[QUOTE=starpluck;22894993]How does a 'blind fool' constitute a [B]7 day[/B] flaming ban? Holy shit, I seen worse that were either ignored or recieved a one day ban.[/QUOTE] And imo he wasn't flaming, he was stating the goddamn truth. BurnEmDown is an example of what happens when propaganda gets to a feeble mind.

[QUOTE=PyromanDan;22895248]And imo he wasn't flaming, he was stating the goddamn truth. BurnEmDown is an example of what happens when propaganda gets to a feeble mind.[/QUOTE] I know, exactly.

I think he deserved it. He did nothing on this thread but flame me, blind full is just a small part of it. "you just spewed the bullshit that you have been indoctrinated with by your government since birth. You're unable to see the truth." "You're not arguing against Hamas, you're supporting the systematic oppression of the Palestinians. You're like those ignorant rednecks that say "bomb dem AAAA-RAB countries cause dey got dem ter'rist der"." What if I call all anti-Israelis, anti-Semite scum who do nothing but wish for Israel's destruction? It'll be stupid and everyone will complain. But if he says that I've been fed lies from my government and that I only want to see the Palestinians suffer, apparently it's all OK to you. *note - sarcasm ahead in parts of the sentence. He contributed nothing to the discussion, and if you can't see that you're a blind fool. Sorry, I just had to say it :fuckyou:. [editline]11:07AM[/editline] [QUOTE=PyromanDan;22895248]And imo he wasn't flaming, he was stating the goddamn truth. BurnEmDown is an example of what happens when propaganda gets to a feeble mind.[/QUOTE] Oh great, more flaming. Also, my mind isn't feeble.

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If Isreal keeps this blockade, innocent civilians [B]will[/B] become terrorists, pehaps this is what they want...

Okay guys, just a quick question between the drama. [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22860133]This is because the Hamas could use them to build tunnels, which will make it easy for them to acquire rockets.[/QUOTE] What is that supposed to mean?

[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;22895757]If Isreal keeps this blockade, innocent civilians [B]will[/B] become terrorists, pehaps this is what they want...[/QUOTE] Knowing them, it probably is. Look at how much more land they could take if more Palestinians began to commit crimes against Israel. They could virtually march right in there, commit genocide, blow up homes, and take what little land they still own. Oh wait, they are.

[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;22895757]If Isreal keeps this blockade, innocent civilians [B]will[/B] become terrorists, pehaps this is what they want...[/QUOTE] Israel has lifted the civilian blockade, right now only weapons aren't allowed, and construction material is allowed but only if humanitarian groups ask for it, and not "private merchants". [editline]12:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Johnnsen;22895880] What is that supposed to mean?[/QUOTE] The Hamas builds tunnels from Gaza to Egypt, and use them to smuggle weapons and rockets.

Israel government to European MPs: you have no idea what the fuck are you talking about, shut up now.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22859636]Because Israel doesn't use it specifically against civilians. Civilians are hit by it too, obviously, but that's war. Hamas on the other hand intentionally fires on Israeli cities in order to hurt its civilians and government using terror. And also, during the Gaza war, Hamas hid in civilian buildings and fired rockets from there, didn't let the civilians leave, and were pretty much responsible for most of the civilian deaths, which could have been easily avoided if it weren't for them.[/QUOTE] Boom, Israel in a nutshell. Hamas kills civilians? Monsters. Israel kills civilians, casualties of war. [editline]12:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22895921]Israel has lifted the civilian blockade, right now only weapons aren't allowed, and construction material is allowed but only if humanitarian groups ask for it, and not "private merchants". [editline]12:09PM[/editline] The Hamas builds tunnels from Gaza to Egypt, and use them to smuggle weapons and rockets.[/QUOTE] So, if Hamas currently builds tunnels from Gaza to Egypt, and uses them to smuggle weapons, what exactly is the blockade preventing. [editline]12:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;22897417]Israel government to European MPs: you have no idea what the fuck are you talking about, shut up now.[/QUOTE] except they do. The Israeli government is an absolute joke, and this is becoming more apparent every time Israel makes a statement or fucks up.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;22897610]Boom, Israel in a nutshell. Hamas kills civilians? Monsters. Israel kills civilians, casualties of war.[/quote] Israel doesn't target civilians specifically, the Hamas does. [quote]So, if Hamas currently builds tunnels from Gaza to Egypt, and uses them to smuggle weapons, what exactly is the blockade preventing.[/quote] It's preventing them from getting a lot more powerful weapons and rockets from Iran. [quote]except they do. The Israeli government is an absolute joke, and this is becoming more apparent every time Israel makes a statement or fucks up.[/QUOTE] What about this? [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-to-unveil-measures-to-ease-gaza-blockade-1.296393[/url]