European MPs to Israel: Lift Gaza blockade completely
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22923631]There's a solution to that: don't launch the rockets.[/QUOTE]Nope, if they are going to resist Israeli force they are going to use what they can.
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Irrelevant. If the Hamas could kill more they would have. We're only lucky that they only have shit-rockets that can't harm a fly.[/quote]Relevant, Hamas was able to kill way more soldiers then civilians even though they do not possess targeting capabilities.
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Note that, the UN school in the famous picture, wasn't directly bombed, only the playground nearby it, and there were rockets launched from it. It says so right in the (CNN's or whatever, can't remember) news report.[/quote]Also, the WP attack was a warcrime, its illegal to use in civilian areas.
I suppose this was to obscure the IDF soldiers right?
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I'm sick of hearing about this Gaza blockade.
Just tear down the fucking wall and see what happens. If they kill each other, well, their fault.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22921046]They used them only as an obscurant or an illuminant, not to hit civilians or enemies, which is legal.
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It's not a loophole when they specifically say White Phosphorus isn't included in the illegal weapons list.[/QUOTE]
ok, soooooooo, that makes it right?
[editline]04:38PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;22921584]Scroll down.
Parties only have to agree to two of the protocols.
Israel chose not to agree to protocol III.
And let me stop you right there. The smoke shells are smoke shells. They air burst for distributing smoke more quickly. They are American made M825A1 smoke shells and they have been around for a long time.
And no it isn't good smoke just because of how hot it burns. It produces smoke with unparalleled refractive properties due to the chemical composition of WP.[/QUOTE]
WP has been used against people in Gaza, utterly charring their whole bodies.
[QUOTE=Warhol;22924247]ok, soooooooo, that makes it right?[/QUOTE]
Look at my previous post.
Does it look like an illuminant or obscurant to you?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22921681]Hitting civilians doesn't mean they meant to. Do you think Israel wanted all those [B]~900 civilians dead?[/B] No, but it went to war knowing some civilians will die, as is always the case in war.
There were two Israeli officers who used WP, not only where they weren't authorized to, but they also used it against civilians illegally. They were sentenced and were brought to justice.[/QUOTE]
lol, ok, this doesn't really phase you burnemdown? 3(israel)/900+
the war starting over an apartheid wall
ummmmm, use your fucking head.
hahahahaha, you mean the two officers who got a slap on the wrist? that's your idea of justice "well it was minor, but it WAS justice" lol, here you go again, finding loopholes. you are such an asshole
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[QUOTE=GunFox;22922945]Hey look, these guys wear vests and masks too!
Al-Queda, al-shabaab, and Taliban. But surely having training camps makes them not terrorists! Nevermind the headbands saying "there is no god but Allah" and the suicide bombers.
Because you have pictures of them in combat gear and in training camps, it doesn't make them a uniformed military. The only thing different about Hamas is that they are surrounded by the idiots who elected them. They elected terrorists, and now they are being attacked as a result. The only thing surprising here is that the entire strip hasn't been burnt to the ground as a direct result of the unbelievable ineptitude and irresponsible attacks of the Hamas government.[/QUOTE]
Oh how silly of them not to walk around in florescent Green jump suits with "im hamas lol shoot pls" painted in red letters on it
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22922196][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102379.html[/url]
I'm no army expert but as far as I know they've taken a lot of measures to reduce civilian deaths. For example they called houses that were about to be bombed, and told the people to leave. They dropped flyers telling when and where are they going to bomb soon, so the people won't get hurt.
There were cases where Hamas officers got calls and refused to let their family leave, saying they will all be martyrs.[/QUOTE]
Where are they going to go, burnemdown? the gaza strip is a walled in city.
and there ZERO evidence of Hamas doing that.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22923744]Nope, if they are going to resist Israeli force they are going to use what they can.
Relevant, Hamas was able to kill way more soldiers then civilians even though they do not possess targeting capabilities.[/quote]
Resisting by killing civilians who have nothing to do with it isn't moral, legal, right, justified, or whatever one might call it.
And those soldiers died at fire-fights. Hamas has enough weaponry in normal and conventional battles, but in terms of attacking a city 7km away, they don't have shit, and if they would, the casualties would surpass even the deaths from suicide bombers.
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I suppose this was to obscure the IDF soldiers right? [/QUOTE]
No, this was the school that was illegally attacked by the two IDF officers. Note that there were terrorists launching rockets from the playground, so they didn't just say "hey let's attack a random UN school!".
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22924425]Resisting by killing civilians who have nothing to do with it isn't moral, legal, right, justified, or whatever one might call it.
And those soldiers died at fire-fights. Hamas has enough weaponry in normal and conventional battles, but in terms of attacking a city 7km away, they don't have shit, and if they would, the casualties would surpass even the deaths from suicide bombers.[/QUOTE]
uh... they're resisting Israeli occupation.
you're acting like suicide bombers are their number 2 weapon when it's literally a rare tactic
you are fucking grasping at straws. you're like some 13 year old anti-Semitic shell of a "human being". you care more about finding loopholes to fucking justify the mass-slaughter of fucking Palestinians then you do any sort of Human rights.
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hahahahaha, you mean the two officers who got a slap on the wrist? that's your idea of justice "well it was minor, but it WAS justice" lol, here you go again, finding loopholes. you are such an asshole[/QUOTE]
It was a "slap on the wrist" according to one defense official. Others say it was a "mild reprimand".
[QUOTE=GunFox;22923046]During gun battles they wear that stuff too. It's the point.
But generally, the problem isn't the gun battles, its the rest of the time.
Why do you think they wear masks? The rest of the time they blend back into the civilian population.
Its these same people that blend into the population that step on a bus and turn it into a pile of smoldering scrap metal and human remains.
They launch ROCKETS at RANDOM CIVILIAN POPULATION CENTERS. They know full well the rockets themselves won't do much harm. They do it to cause TERROR. Hence TERRORISTS.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand the point of terrorism
Al-Qaeda and the Taliban aren't just doing this to be scary. They're essentially a gang
They use terror to get people to grow their drugs for them and then they sell them. Simple as that. They use religion as a tool to get people to work for them and they use terror to get people to grow their drugs for them. They intimidate them into doing what they want. the whole point of the afghan war is to give hope to the hopeless, so they're not afraid of the Taliban. No more terror = no more terrorists.
[QUOTE=Warhol;22924489]uh... they're resisting Israeli occupation.
you're acting like suicide bombers are their number 2 weapon when it's literally a rare tactic
you are fucking grasping at straws. you're like some 13 year old anti-Semitic shell of a "human being". you care more about finding loopholes to fucking justify the mass-slaughter of fucking Palestinians then you do any sort of Human rights.[/QUOTE]
It's not a rare tactic, they just don't use it anymore because of... Guess what? THE WALL.
In 2000-2006 there were suicide bombings every single week!
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22924659]It's not a rare tactic, they just don't use it anymore because of... Guess what? THE WALL.
In 2000-2006 there were suicide bombings every single week![/QUOTE]
ok, so slowly killing civilians is justified now?
Ok, this is like the 4th month I have asked you for a source on this, seriously, give me a god damn source
I think over 52 suicide bombings a year with THAT low of a body count is pretty fucking unlikely. either you're lying or just plain retarded.
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22924626]It was a "slap on the wrist" according to one defense official. Others say it was a "mild reprimand".[/QUOTE]
uh... That's justice?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22924425]Resisting by killing civilians who have nothing to do with it isn't moral, legal, right, justified, or whatever one might call it.[/quote] Stop trying to create a circle of posts.
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And those soldiers died at fire-fights. Hamas has enough weaponry in normal and conventional battles, but in terms of attacking a city 7km away, they don't have shit, and if they would, the casualties would surpass even the deaths from suicide bombers.[/quote]
Suicide bombing is rarely used and its understandable, I did not say justified - remember that. Over 80% of all the suicide bombers had family killed by the IDF.
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No, this was the school that was illegally attacked by the two IDF officers.[/quote] Who got a slap on the wrist. [quote]Note that there were terrorists launching rockets from the playground, so they didn't just say "hey let's attack a random UN school!".[/QUOTE]Source
[QUOTE=starpluck;22924754]Over 80% of all the suicide bombers had family killed by the IDF.[/QUOTE]
sorry bro, need a source for this
however it makes quite a bit of sense
[QUOTE=Warhol;22924877]sorry bro, need a source for this
however it makes quite a bit of sense[/QUOTE]
Let me dig up my posts.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22924754]Suicide bombing is rarely used and its understandable, I did not say justified - remember that. Over 80% of all the suicide bombers had family killed by the IDF.
It's not rarely used, it just stopped thanks to the wall. Without the wall it would be used to this day.
[quote]Who got a slap on the wrist.[/quote]
According to one guy.
[quote]Source[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html[/url]
"That report was later clarified to indicate that the shelling and the fatalities took place outside the school."
Hmm, I was sure that it said that there were rockets launched from there too.
Still, the school itself wasn't attacked, so it doesn't matter that it didn't harbor any Hamas personnel.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925236]Source
[url]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html[/url]
"That report was later clarified to indicate that the shelling and the fatalities took place outside the school."
Hmm, I was sure that it said that there were rockets launched from there too.
Still, the school itself wasn't attacked, so it doesn't matter that it didn't harbor any Hamas personnel.[/QUOTE]
uh, no, it said the fucking explosions happened around the school, and the school got fucked up too. Seriously, look at the pictures.
christ, there you go again, finding loopholes
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925236]Source[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html[/URL]
"That report was later clarified to indicate that the shelling and the fatalities took place outside the school."
Hmm, I was sure that it said that there were rockets launched from there too.
Still, the school itself wasn't attacked, so it doesn't matter that it didn't harbor any Hamas personnel.[/QUOTE]
The school was attacked; are you serious?
[QUOTE=Warhol;22924745]ok, so slowly killing civilians is justified now?
Ok, this is like the 4th month I have asked you for a source on this, seriously, give me a god damn source
I think over 52 suicide bombings a year with THAT low of a body count is pretty fucking unlikely. either you're lying or just plain retarded.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks[/url]
OK, so maybe I've exaggerated, but if you look at 2001-2004, there were 219 suicide bombings. On other years there are less, but you can still see that the suicide bombings aren't "rare".
Also, how is the wall slowly killing civilians? (note that I'm talking only about the wall - not the blockade).
[quote]uh... That's justice?[/QUOTE]
Israeli courts in general give weak punishments
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925387][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks[/URL]
OK, so maybe I've exaggerated, but if you look at 2001-2004, there were 219 suicide bombings. On other years there are less, but you can still see that the suicide bombings aren't "rare".
Also, how is the wall slowly killing civilians? (note that I'm talking only about the wall - not the blockade).
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The barrier has many effects on Palestinians including reduced freedoms, reduction of the amount of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces_checkpoint"]Israel Defense Forces checkpoints[/URL], road closures, loss of land, increased difficulty in accessing medical and educational services in Israel,[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-Stratton07-38"][39][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-Qato07-39"][40][/URL] [B]restricted access to water sources[/B], and economic effects.
[B]Reduced freedoms[/B]
In a 2005 report, the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations"]United Nations[/URL] stated that:
“ ...it is difficult to overstate the humanitarian impact of the Barrier. The route inside the West Bank severs communities, people’s access to services, livelihoods and religious and cultural amenities. In addition, plans for the Barrier’s exact route and crossing points through it are often not fully revealed until days before construction commences. This has led to considerable anxiety amongst Palestinians about how their future lives will be impacted...The land between the Barrier and the Green Line constitutes some of the most fertile in the West Bank. It is currently the home for 49,400 West Bank Palestinians living in 38 villages and towns.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-humanitarianinfo_Rprt05-40"][41][/URL] ” — Introduction UN report Pg4
An often-quoted example of the effects of the barrier is the Palestinian town of Qalqilyah, a city of around 45,000, which is surrounded on all sides by the barrier. One 8 meter-high concrete section of this wall follows the Green Line between the city and the nearby Trans-Israel Highway. This section, referred to as an "anti-sniper wall," has been claimed to prevent gun attacks against Israeli motorists on the Trans-Israel Highway.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-BBC_Q.26A_September_2005-41"][42][/URL] The city is accessible through a military checkpoint on the main road from the east, and an underground tunnel built in September 2004 on the south side connects Qalqilyah with the adjacent village of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habla"]Habla[/URL]. Recently, the Israeli Supreme Court ordered the government to change the route of the barrier in this area to ease movement of Palestinians between Qalqilyah and five surrounding villages. In the same ruling, the court rejected the arguments that the fence must be built only on the Green Line. The ruling cited the topography of the terrain, security considerations, and sections 43 and 52 of The Hague Regulations 1907 and Article 53 of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention"]Fourth Geneva Convention[/URL] as reasons for this rejection.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-HCF-0"][1][/URL]
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In early October 2003, the IDF OC [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Central_Command"]Central Command[/URL] declared the area between the separation barrier in the northern section of the West Bank (Stage 1) and the Green Line a closed military area for an indefinite period of time. New directives stated that every Palestinian over the age of twelve living in the enclaves created in the closed area have to obtain a “permanent resident permit” from the Civil Administration to enable them to continue to live in their homes. Other residents of the West Bank have to obtain special permits to enter the area.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-BTStat-1"][2][/URL]
[B]Loss of land[/B]
See also: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone"]Seam Zone[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_demolition_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict"]House demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict[/URL]
Parts of the barrier are built on land seized from Palestinians.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-BBC_Q.26A_September_2005-41"][42][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-CNN_November_2003-46"][47][/URL] In a 2009 report, the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN"]UN[/URL] noted that the most recent barrier route allocates more segments to be built on the Green Line itself compared to previous draft routes of the barrier. However, in its current route the Wall is annexing 9.5% of the total area of the West Bank to the Israeli side of the barrier.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-ochajuly2009-47"][48][/URL]
In early 2003, 63 shops straddling the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line"]Green Line[/URL] were demolished by the IDF during construction of the wall in the village of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazlat_Issa&action=edit&redlink=1"]Nazlat Issa[/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-humanitarianinfo_2004-48"][49][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-nytimes_Jan_2003-49"][50][/URL] In August 2003, an additional 115 shops and stalls (an important source of income for several communities) and five to seven homes there were also demolished.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-50"][51][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-51"][52][/URL]
According to the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Relief_and_Works_Agency"]United Nations Relief and Works Agency[/URL] (UNRWA), 15 communities were to be directly affected, numbering approximately 138,593 Palestinians, including 13,450 refugee families, or 67,250 individuals. In addition to loss of land, in the city of Qalqilyah one-third of the city's water wells lie on the other side of the barrier. The Israeli Supreme Court notes the Israeli government's rejection of accusations of a [I]de facto[/I] annexation of these wells, stating that "the construction of the fence does not affect the implementation of the water agreements determined in the (interim) agreement".[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-HCF-0"][1][/URL]
The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Economic_and_Social_Commission_for_Western_Asia"]United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia[/URL] (ESCWA) estimates that in the north of the West Bank approximately 80 per cent of Palestinians who own land on the other side of the barrier have not received permits from the Israeli authorities, and hence cannot cultivate their fields.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-52"][53][/URL]
[B][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Israeli_West_Bank_barrier&action=edit§ion=15"]edit[/URL]] Health and medical services[/B]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9decins_du_Monde"]Médecins du Monde[/URL], the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement"]Palestinian Red Crescent Society[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_for_Human_Rights"]Physicians for Human Rights-Israel[/URL] have stated that the barrier "harms West Bank health".[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-BBC_Feb_2005-53"][54][/URL] Upon completion of the construction, the organizations predict, the barrier would prevent over 130,000 Palestinian children from being immunised, and deny more than 100,000 pregnant women (out of which 17,640 are high risk pregnancies) access to healthcare in Israel.[B] In addition, almost a third of West Bank villages will suffer from lack of access to healthcare. [/B]After completion, many residents may lose complete access to emergency care at night. In towns near Jerusalem ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dis"]Abu Dis[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Eizariya"]al-Eizariya[/URL]), for example, average time for an ambulance to travel to the nearest hospital has increased from 10 minutes to over 110 minutes.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-bmj_2005-54"][55][/URL]
A report from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_for_Human_Rights"]Physicians for Human Rights[/URL]-Israel states that the barrier imposes "almost-total separation" on the hospitals from the population they are supposed to serve.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-phr_2005-55"][56][/URL] The report also noted that patients from the West Bank visiting Jerusalem's Palestinian clinics declined by half from 2002 to 2003.
[B]Human rights organizations[/B]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International"]Amnesty International[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch"]Human Rights Watch[/URL] and other [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_groups_and_the_Middle_East"]Human rights groups[/URL] have protested both the routing of the wall and the means by which the land to build the wall was obtained.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-87"][88][/URL] In a 2004 report Amnesty International wrote that "The fence/wall, in its present configuration, violates Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-autogenerated2-88"][89][/URL]
They continue:[INDENT] Since the summer of 2002 the Israeli army has been destroying large areas of Palestinian agricultural land, as well as other properties, to make way for a fence/wall which it is building in the West Bank. In addition to the large areas of particularly fertile Palestinian farmland that have been destroyed, other larger areas have been cut off from the rest of the West Bank by the fence/wall. The fence/wall is not being built between Israel and the Occupied Territories but mostly (close to 90%) inside the West Bank, turning Palestinian towns and villages into isolated enclaves, cutting off communities and families from each other, separating farmers from their land and Palestinians from their places of work, education and health care facilities and other essential services. This in order to facilitate passage between Israel and more than 50 illegal Israeli settlements located in the West Bank.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-autogenerated2-88"][89][/URL]
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And an Israeli Human Rights group at the checkpoint describes the typical daily life for Palestinians.
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[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machsom_Watch"]Machsom Watch[/URL], an Israeli women's human rights group, who were at [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ras"]al-Ras[/URL] checkpoint, describes a typical daily life of Palestinians in West Bank:[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#cite_note-103"][104][/URL][INDENT]
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[*]13.50: All people (male and female) between the ages of 16 to 30 who are residents of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulkarem"]Tulkarem[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nablus"]Nablus[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenin"]Jenin[/URL], and the villages surrounding these towns, are not allowed southward.
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[*]14.44: A car with a bridegroom arrives at the checkpoint. His wedding is in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beit_Lid"]Beit Lid[/URL]. However he is from Tulkarem and young and he is told he can't pass through. A relative of his who is from Taibe and who speaks fluent Hebrew, tries to talk to all the soldiers to convince them to let him pass through.
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[*]14.50: The bus with only women and children who are heading to Beit Lid for the wedding arrives at the checking booth. IDs are checked. Five of the young women, some with young children, are from Tulkarem and are told to leave the bus.
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[*]14.59: They are not allowed to pass. They get a taxi on the other side of the street to go back home. The bridegroom has still not been allowed through. Aunts, uncles and other relatives are all standing around trying to figure out what to do. The relative from Taibe continues to go from one soldier to the other to ask for help.
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[*]15.10: The bridegroom is told he cannot go through. He stands to the side.
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[*]15.37: The bridegroom is sent home.
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925387][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks[/url]
OK, so maybe I've exaggerated, but if you look at 2001-2004, there were 219 suicide bombings. On other years there are less, but you can still see that the suicide bombings aren't "rare".[/quote]
lol, only 40% were Hamas and the PIJ is both pretty radical and disorganised.
you exaggerated a LOT
[quote]Also, how is the wall slowly killing civilians? (note that I'm talking only about the wall - not the blockade).[/quote]
well, the whole denying basic supplies thing, constant wars and soaring crime rates... iunno, what do you think burnemdown?
[quote]Israeli courts in general give weak punishments[/QUOTE]
I can understand laxed punishments
but that was a fucking war crime, that's different.
[editline]05:42PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=starpluck;22925468]stuff[/QUOTE]
I also read a book recently that followed a woman and her child. The child whom the IDF fucking humiliated at a checkpoint in front of about 80 other people
free israel!
[QUOTE=starpluck;22925354][URL]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html[/URL]
"That report was later clarified to indicate that the shelling and the fatalities took place outside the school."
Hmm, I was sure that it said that there were rockets launched from there too.
Still, the school itself wasn't attacked, so it doesn't matter that it didn't harbor any Hamas personnel.[/QUOTE]
The school was attacked; are you serious?[/QUOTE]
"the shelling and the fatalities took place outside the school."
The school itself wasn't attacked, are you serious?
[editline]07:44PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=starpluck;22925468]*words*[/QUOTE]
I was talking about the Gaza wall, not the West Bank barrier.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925611]The school was attacked; are you serious?[/QUOTE]
"the shelling and the fatalities took place outside the school."
The school itself wasn't attacked, are you serious?[/QUOTE]
They mean the small open area/entrance in front of the school. The school itself was still hit.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22925658]"the shelling and the fatalities took place outside the school."
The school itself wasn't attacked, are you serious?[/QUOTE]
They mean the small open area/entrance in front of the school. The school itself was still hit.[/QUOTE]
But the fatalities only took place outside the school.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925611]The school was attacked; are you serious?
"the shelling and the fatalities took place outside the school."
The school itself wasn't attacked, are you serious?[/quote]
so they fucking painted the inside black and added some blood effects and threw everything around?
[quote]I was talking about the Gaza wall, not the West Bank barrier.[/QUOTE]
works the same way tbh
[editline]05:47PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925675]
But the fatalities only took place outside the school.[/QUOTE]
does it fucking matter?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925675]
But the fatalities only took place outside the school.[/QUOTE]
What's your point?
Grasping for straws again?
So some fires got inside the school, big deal. My point is that the shells were clearly targeted the area outside the school, so the argument that there weren't any Hamas officials inside the school is irrelevant. They probably launched rockets from the playground and then ran, just like they do most of the time.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22925795]So some fires got inside the school, big deal. My point is that the shells were clearly targeted the area outside the school, so the argument that there weren't any Hamas officials inside the school is irrelevant. They probably launched rockets from the playground and then ran, just like they do most of the time.[/QUOTE]
The shells were targeted at entrance of the school justifies it? No.
And nope, No Hamas was there.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22925856]The shells were targeted at entrance of the school justifies it? No.[/quote]
It doesn't justify it, but it means that the "no Hamas in the school" thing is invalid.
[quote]And nope, No Hamas was there.[/QUOTE]
Source? And don't bring a "no Hamas was in the school" source, because they're invalid.
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