USSOCOM Iron Man Suits (TALOS) prototypes coming in June, deployment by 2018
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[QUOTE=MittRomney;44099495]As long as we dont have the technology for an ARC reactor, a portable fusion energy generator, or really high density battery packs, I don´t see this suit being feasible in combat situations.[/QUOTE]
We developed a virus that literally weave organic batteries into clothes, I'm pretty sure we could create a sugar powered suit if it really came down to it.
I guess sc-fi movies had it mostly right all along...
[QUOTE=-n3o-;44100229]I guess sc-fi movies had it mostly right all along...[/QUOTE]
Sci-fi inspires science, which in turn inspires more sci-fi then we decide to make the sci-fi stuff.
[QUOTE=digigamer17;44099868]Or Starship Troopers.[/QUOTE]
We're still a ways off from Space Marine territory, since exosuits probably aren't good enough to ensure good mobility in massive suits of tank-like armour, and even then it'd just make them massive targets for artillery and anti-armour ordinance.
These lighter Iron Man style TALOS exosuits are probably the better solution to keep a balance between mobility and protection.
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[QUOTE=katbug;44098904]I'm surprised it took them this long
Give someone one of these things and the only way you can take e'm down is with an RPG or huge explosive.[/QUOTE]
It's not like it would be proof against armor piercing bullets, at least not for too long.
[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;44098917]What do you mean? They referenced the greek mythos..?[/QUOTE]
this isn't going to stop the first ES fan in the military who gets one and shouts "PRAISE TALOS" as he smashes in an insurgent's door.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;44099490]I can imagine soldiers humming "Iron Man" while rushing through doors and openings.[/QUOTE]
"I AM TALOS MAN, nananananana DA DA DA DA!"
Now watch these new Suit Soldiers get lit on fire in CQB or raped with Anti Material Rifles from long ranges.
I'm sceptical, whenever a new super weapon is developed there's always a way to take it down.
Maybe I watched too many movies but ah well.
Not far from the T-45b power armor now.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;44101564]It's not like it would be proof against armor piercing bullets, at least not for too long.[/QUOTE]
That's why I brought up Space Marines, modern warfare is based around evasion more than tanking the hits, so having good mobility whilst still being able to take an occasional hit is probably the way that early 21st century power armour is gonna go. Still a ways off from armour that is strong enough to shrug off modern armour-piercing whilst maintaining high mobility, and we don't even have forcefield technology for spacecraft, let alone infantry.
Where the hell are the armor ability's supposed to be installed at on them?
So, just pretending for a moment that this is at all feasible within the next 10 years or whatever, any big suit of armour like that is clearly going to be fucking massive (you know, there are limitations as to what can actually be bullet proof [I]and[/I] not give the soldier underneath massive concussive shocks) - and they want it to charge through doors and clear a house?
Investing in better armour is definitely a good plan, and I gather that is what this is mostly about, but iron-man style armour which is just completely impenetrable to bullets seems infeasible
Well, it's not gonna be Space Marine big, but it'll probably have some bulk to it.
Also, in terms of making something bulletproof and shock-absorbent, I imagine the latter quality would require a durable yet spongy padding to absorb some of the shock that makes it through the plating shell. In addition, maybe to maintain a balance between durability and mobility, the armour plating could have some sort of internal honeycomb structure to reduce weight but maintain some semblance of durability? Also the honeycombed armour plating would probably also have some shock-absorbent qualities too.
Powered armor could very well be feasible in ten years given the way material science is advancing. Hell a big push is always being made for higher density batteries so that issue will solve itself
This coupled with the new foam-injector to seal wounds will certainly decrease the mortality rate
i read somewhere that this suit may have self-healing armor. a material can turn from liquid to solid with an electric current.
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no really, i'm not joking. the technology is real and it could be used in this. (although i doubt it)
[QUOTE=Uncle Bourbon;44102672]i read somewhere that this suit may have self-healing armor. metal that can turn from liquid to solid, iirc.
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no really, i'm not joking. the technology is real and it could be used in this. (although i doubt it)[/QUOTE]
If you're refering to non-newtonian fluids, yes we have that. D30 has been around for awhile, and the British army contracted them a few years back to put some of the stuff in their Mark 7 Helmets ([URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1156544/Introducing-gel-filled-army-helmet-crush-bullets-penetrate-it.html"][1][/URL])
Sounds like it's something between the big ass bomb suit and what soldiers wear now, to basically absorb any bullets they get hit by as they breach doorways
As Vanko states in iron man 2, "Drones are better". I think that they'd have a much better form factor if they didn't have to wrap it around a soft, squishy human. There'd be more control systems needed (a lot) but DARPA has been working on that for [I]years[/I].
[QUOTE=MittRomney;44099495]As long as we dont have the technology for an ARC reactor, a portable fusion energy generator, or really high density battery packs, I don´t see this suit being feasible in combat situations.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtntTvuv8Aw]All they need are a cave, and a box of scraps.[/url]
[QUOTE=ironman17;44101717]That's why I brought up Space Marines, modern warfare is based around evasion more than tanking the hits, so having good mobility whilst still being able to take an occasional hit is probably the way that early 21st century power armour is gonna go. Still a ways off from armour that is strong enough to shrug off modern armour-piercing whilst maintaining high mobility, and we don't even have forcefield technology for spacecraft, let alone infantry.[/QUOTE]
And there will be new weapons to counter better armor, such is the cycle so far.
Now where's my T51
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;44103220]And there will be new weapons to counter better armor, such is the cycle so far.[/QUOTE]
Yep, this is the case at least in terms of physical munitions and armour. It'll probably be the same when energy weapons and shields become a thing on the battlefield, but it'd probably have a longer "equalization period", as in it'd probably take longer to design defences to counter stuff like lasguns and plasma bolts, and it'd take a while to develop something that can easily break through forcefields.
That said, I imagine a defence against laser weaponry would involve some sort of smoke/steam grenade, since laser beams lose their effectiveness as they pass through the air, and a thick cloud of denser smokes, gases and/or vapours would soak up the damage potential of a lasgun shot before it hits a solid object. That said, hiding in a gas-cloud would require a gasmask to avoid wrecking your lungs, and said cloud would need to be comprised of non-conductive substances to avoid the hazards of dispersing a strong electrical charge into the cloud via a high-power electrolaser or a similar "tesla" weapon.
Speaking of which, apparently the Picatinny Arsenal were able to develop a powerful electrolaser back in 2012, so if anyone's gonna develop the 21st equivalent of Nikola Tesla's Teleforce device, it'd probably be the Picatinny guys.
And for one last bit of energy weapon goodness, some guy managed to build a functioning pulsed laser pistol back in 2011. Apparently it could fire a 1 megawatt pulse and could do 50 shots with a fully-charged battery. The video below describes more of the specs on the laspistol, though it also seems to have a long-ish charge time and would probably merely sting, even with the lens, rather than do any severe damage, though being that it's a laser weapon you'd want to wear goggles.
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[QUOTE=Limed00d;44099490]I can imagine soldiers humming "Iron Man" while rushing through doors and openings.[/QUOTE]
I could see them Playing America fuck yeah on the Intercom while Breaching doors.
Seems that the chap who designed that pulsed laser pistol also does a fair bit of other lasery weapon things, like a 7 watt CO2 laser rifle which is kind of like a watered down cutter beam. For a civilian device cobbled together from other stuff, they don't seem too bad.
The guy's channel is AnselmoFanZero, if you're further curious about his prototype lasguns.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;44101604]Now watch these new Suit Soldiers get lit on fire in CQB or raped with Anti Material Rifles from long ranges.
I'm sceptical, whenever a new super weapon is developed there's always a way to take it down.
Maybe I watched too many movies but ah well.[/QUOTE]
You're saying this as if insurgents have anti material rifles set up inside their houses pointing at their doors. Lighting someone on fire while he's firing at you is probably going to be very hard.
how exactly does this work out when the pentigon is announcing record low military budgets,
i mean without any bucks you can't have million dollar power-armor
The expense would probably relegate these suits to special forces-use only, at least initially. As costs go down and the it becomes more reliable, I could see them being used by mechanized infantry units. Light infantry and airmobile are probably out of the question, though.
[QUOTE=freaka;44101684]Not far from the T-45b power armor now.[/QUOTE]
The T-45 series and T-51 are powered by a miniature nuclear reactor. I don't think we'll achieve the kind of size-to-energy-output ratio needed to power something like that in the near future, if ever.
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;44107424]The T-45 series and T-51 are powered by a miniature nuclear reactor. I don't think we'll achieve the kind of size-to-energy-output ratio needed to power something like that in the near future, if ever.[/QUOTE]
Or the radiation shielding :v:
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