• Carrie Fisher: dead at 60
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[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51589835]I'd say it [I]could[/I] be fine. CGI faces [I]can[/I] look good. Just look at CGI Jeff Bridges in "TRON: Legacy". Rogue One made some fatal mistakes which hinged mostly on the animation itself, so if they really put their all into making a CGI Carrie, I think they could pull it off.[/QUOTE] CG faces really overdo the animation 90% of the time and it weirds me out. Actually, i think thats a problem with a lot of CGI people is that they move like CGI people instead of people-people half the time.
[QUOTE=postal;51589781]I don't think they're gonna offscreen death such a major character. And yeah it's too late to rework shit for episode 8 I would think without causing a release date delay, which I imagine they REALLY don't want. Assuming they weren't already killing her character in 8, I'd expect a cgi stand-in death scene at the start of episode 9. Which is gonna be awful for so many reasons.[/QUOTE] From what I've heard about Episode VIII Lucasfilm prepared for an occurence where Carrie's health would leave her unable to film her piece in Episode IX. Filming TFA might have been more exhausting for her than we previously thought.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51589835]I'd say it [I]could[/I] be fine. CGI faces [I]can[/I] look good. Just look at CGI Jeff Bridges in "TRON: Legacy". Rogue One made some fatal mistakes which hinged mostly on the animation itself, so if they really put their all into making a CGI Carrie, I think they could pull it off.[/QUOTE] If they go that route I hope they do so sparingly. Arnold in Terminator Genysis looked believable enough but there's a limit when they open their mouths surely
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51589847]If they go that route I hope they do so sparingly. Arnold in Terminator Genysis looked believable enough but there's a limit when they open their mouths surely[/QUOTE] CG actors are getting better all the time. They already *look* real (though some still look better than others, e.g. CG Arnold), they just don't move like they're real. And that's a problem that will only get better as animators get more experienced at making CG actors.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51589835]I'd say it [I]could[/I] be fine. CGI faces [I]can[/I] look good. Just look at CGI Jeff Bridges in "TRON: Legacy". Rogue One made some fatal mistakes which hinged mostly on the animation itself, so if they really put their all into making a CGI Carrie, I think they could pull it off.[/QUOTE] I was mostly saying it's gonna be awful because you'll be seeing a now dead actress brought to life just to be killed off again. But also yeah that horrid cgi Tarkin revival for rouge one didn't give me much faith either. He looked like he was made of wax and I had no idea going in that there was even going to be a cgi character like that.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51589847]If they go that route I hope they do so sparingly. Arnold in Terminator Genysis looked believable enough but there's a limit when they open their mouths surely[/QUOTE] It's more about the fine micro-expressions in the face. Rogue One got it all wrong by exaggerating said micro-expressions to a point where it looked like every muscle in CGI Cushing's face looked like it was in constant motion, and that's not how human faces move. So if they can get that under control I think it'll be fine.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51589856]CG actors are getting better all the time. They already *look* real, they just don't move like they're real. And that's a problem that will only get better as animators get more experienced at making CG actors.[/QUOTE] but they could just pull the body actor thing again, like i mentioned before with Rogue One. i seriously didn't even realize Peter Cushing was CGI--i did feel like he was a tiny but uncanny but eventually i dismissed it. but that could just be me--i know a lot of people thought it looked pretty out of place.
[QUOTE=LilRobot;51589867]but they could just pull the body actor thing again, like i mentioned before with Rogue One. i seriously didn't even realize Peter Cushing was CGI--i did feel like he was a tiny but uncanny but eventually i dismissed it. but that could just be me--i know a lot of people thought it looked pretty out of place.[/QUOTE] When it comes to animation I'm talking specifically about facial animations, which haven't [I]quite[/I] been nailed down yet.
I know I'm late to the discussion, but now I have 2 people on pictures in my room that have died this year. 4 out of 6 pictures is that... Pictures I wanted to hang up, for the memories and love for stuff they have been a part or produced. Is it weird that people get sad about it, when literally huge names you have known and taken inspiration from dies between each other in less then a year?
[QUOTE=postal;51589781]I don't think they're gonna offscreen death such a major character. And yeah it's too late to rework shit for episode 8 I would think without causing a release date delay, which I imagine they REALLY don't want. Assuming they weren't already killing her character in 8, I'd expect a cgi stand-in death scene at the start of episode 9. Which is gonna be awful for so many reasons.[/QUOTE] I hope if it's onscreen it's more like a ship she's in being destroyed or some shit. No more full CGI Leia please.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51589866]It's more about the fine micro-expressions in the face. Rogue One got it all wrong by exaggerating said micro-expressions to a point where it looked like every muscle in CGI Cushing's face looked like it was in constant motion, and that's not how human faces move. So if they can get that under control I think it'll be fine.[/QUOTE] This. Peter Cushing wasn't one to have a doe expression, or flush his cheeks or dart his eyes around, he always gave a straight and stern look.
Like fr am I the only one who thought that the CGI Leia in Rogue One was great? Tarkin's first scene was weird for me, and after that it looked natural when there was more people crowded around. But the Leia one looks like 100% great to me.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51589506]We don't even know if this was caused by her history with drugs yet, it's a possibility but people are just jumping to conclusions.[/QUOTE] She had a heart attack at sixty after a huge history with a drug known to cause heart attacks, a drug that ripped Billy Mays out of our hands right out of the blue while he was in his prime via cardiac problems. Of course people are tying it to drugs. Even she tied it to drugs before it happened, she mentioned in one of her substabce abuse interviews that she could feel the effects of all that coke looming over her. At this point I would only be shocked if it was shown NOT to be drugs. None of us are saying she was chopping up lines on the airplane's tray table, but we know that coke messes your heart up something fierce and that it can kill you decades after your last hit.
My first crush ever...
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;51589719]if you live in a developing country with a low quality of life yeah sure[/QUOTE] As opposed to the first world countries where women die at 60 from heart attacks.
[B]FUCK[/B]
[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;51589362]This 2016 meme is taking away from the people who are actually dying.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=New Cidem;51589974]As opposed to the first world countries where women die at 60 from heart attacks.[/QUOTE] Woman with a notorious history of substance abuse*
I never understood the faux importance people place on minor celebrities; and act like the world is over when they die (as if they have religiously followed them for their entire life). Anyways, rest in peace Ms. Fisher, don't do drugs kids.
No please no
RIP Carrie Fisher.
[QUOTE=Toothpick;51590019]I never understood the faux importance people place on minor celebrities; and act like the world is over when they die (as if they have religiously followed them for their entire life). Anyways, rest in peace Ms. Fisher, don't do drugs kids.[/QUOTE] Don't see how it's faux, a lot of people grow up enjoying the works of celebrities and that enjoyment can be more than just a passing glance of entertainment. It is okay to feel sadness over something, regardless of how close or far to it you are. amendment : Carrie Fisher was not a minor celebrity, either. She did a lot of work in the later years polishing scripts along with being a strong advocate and voice for mental illness and substance abuse awareness.
[QUOTE=postal;51589781]I don't think they're gonna offscreen death such a major character. And yeah it's too late to rework shit for episode 8 I would think without causing a release date delay, which I imagine they REALLY don't want. Assuming they weren't already killing her character in 8, I'd expect a cgi stand-in death scene at the start of episode 9. Which is gonna be awful for so many reasons.[/QUOTE] it's not really too late. the movie is still in post production. i could be sober and say the timing is just fine to be okay to work with. i guess they could still rearrange and change it to a way the plot that has been spoilered up there could work out. if they didn't shoot han solo's funeral, they maybe gotta do hers. both funerals make that very dark episode tho.
[QUOTE=Toothpick;51590019]I never understood the faux importance people place on minor celebrities; and act like the world is over when they die (as if they have religiously followed them for their entire life). Anyways, rest in peace Ms. Fisher, don't do drugs kids.[/QUOTE] many people grew up on star wars, hell I'm sure for a lot of people princess leia was one of their first crushes wouldn't call her a minor celebrity either, she was one of the main characters in one of the biggest, if not the biggest franchises in the galaxy.
[QUOTE=SirJon;51589356]yes and in 2016 a lot of popular ones died thats our point[/QUOTE] but she was just 60 not like 80 or something
I didn't even grow up with Star Wars but the movies had a pretty profound impact on me when I [I]did[/I] finally see them that this hits me pretty hard. Especially knowing her words on mental illness and substance abuse.
[QUOTE=Alec W;51590045]Don't see how it's faux, a lot of people grow up enjoying the works of celebrities and that enjoyment can be more than just a passing glance of entertainment. It is okay to feel sadness over something, regardless of how close or far to it you are. amendment : Carrie Fisher was not a minor celebrity, either. She did a lot of work in the later years polishing scripts along with being a strong advocate and voice for mental illness and substance abuse awareness.[/QUOTE] I know, but saying "Oh fuck, Oh fuck, Why? What? Oh my god." (people have actually said this in this thread) Like her health complications came out of nowhere. People are treating this like the Dalai Lama was just murdered. The shock and [i]surprise[/i] to her having health complications makes me wonder if those people even know who she actually was.
With how quiet her family had been, I felt like this was coming but it still hit me like a truck when I saw it this morning. God damn it. Rip Carrie Fisher.
It really sucks that this came out of nowhere and now she's just dead. Seriously, don't fuck around with drugs. I wonder what they're going to do now for episode 8. I imagine unless they use a stand in, they're going to have to throw out big sections of the script.
What a shame. Funny enough, the best thing Carrie Fisher did in my eyes wasn't starring in a big blockbuster but rather her and Paul Simon's divorce, since it at least partially inspired Graceland which is one of the best albums ever made.
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