4 Cops abandon security posts at basketball pregame when players come out wearing BLM t-shirts - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;50696031]Terrorists 'win' when you give in to them like these four did. Standing your ground and [B]doing your job[/B] is where you don't let them win. It's disappointing to see anyone commend them over abandoning their responsibility to provide security, even in the face of perceived danger.[/QUOTE] Were these guys on duty, I would absolutely agree. But they were off duty working a side job and weren't representing their police force in any capacity. They honestly should have been the bigger men and stayed and put up with the athletes drama queen sissy bullshit, but they had every right to leave.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50696065]Lets just agree to disagree then, the thread is already derailed enough. and i dont want to get banned by all these trigger happy mods[/QUOTE] It's not really agreeing to disagree when your thoughts are easily disprovable. Like we've all said, it's a really common thing to have happen in the states and doesn't appear to affect anyone's work ethic. [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;50696076]Were these guys on duty, I would absolutely agree. But they were off duty working a side job and weren't representing their police force in any capacity. They honestly should have been the bigger men and stayed and put up with the athletes drama queen sissy bullshit, but they had every right to leave.[/QUOTE] This. When they doing security for a private organization, they can quit anytime they like - just like every other job.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50695874]Yes, the idea that we should stop systemically exploiting minorities is deeply offensive to me, too.[/QUOTE] That's not what BLM stands for anymore. It is so thoroughly infested with violent shitlords that its original, worthwhile, cause is lost to the background noise of chants to 'kill the pigs'. There's no way to tell whether or not a BLM protestor is there to improve racial tensions or to shoot cops and worsen the situation until they act. I cannot blame officers for distancing themselves from any mention of BLM.

[QUOTE=TestECull;50696109]That's not what BLM stands for anymore. It is so thoroughly infested with violent shitlords that its original, worthwhile, cause is lost to the background noise of chants to 'kill the pigs'. There's no way to tell whether or not a BLM protestor is there to improve racial tensions or to shoot cops and worsen the situation until they act. I cannot blame officers for distancing themselves from any mention of BLM.[/QUOTE] Do you reckon that the Minnesota Lynx players were intending to shoot the police officers?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50696055]Responding to these sorts of situations with sarcastic dismissal doesn't really contribute to anything. Regardless of whether or not these four people were right to leave, it's undeniable that BLM has a shit reputation and the fact policemen are now willing to straight up get up and leave when it gets involved is a bad sign, no matter if they're right or wrong in their perception.[/QUOTE] From what I understand, the majority of BLM seems to lump together actual unjustified police killings (like that guy who was killed for reaching for his wallet) with cases that are blurry at best (Sterling who violently resisted arrest and allegedly reached for his illegally-owned gun) and indiscriminately protest for both cases, without apparent room for discussion on the justifiability of any specific incident. The way I see it, those cops see it as a lack of empathy that police are automatically assumed to be in the wrong without people putting themselves in their shoes. Not to mention whenever such a shooting happens it's assumed that racial bias is involved, when instinctive reactions to perceived threats (justified or not) are more relevant.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50696149]Do you reckon that the Minnesota Lynx players were intending to shoot the police officers?[/QUOTE]No, but others might.

BLM is a garbage organization with a just cause, which causes a conflict of interest (though I mostly just lean toward "fuck BLM" because I don't support obstructing or violent protest), but I feel like this is the equivalent of leaving your post because someone's wearing a Trump shirt. Their job is protecting the people, they can't just leave. They shouldn't have volunteered to be security if they weren't planning on keeping the place secure if hypothetically somebody walked by wearing a shirt that offended them. Prejudices don't mean shit on the job, regardless of whether or not they're getting paid. While I can understand them being a bit upset, they made the wrong decision. If they were really that pissed off, they should've finished the game and told whoever was running the volunteering that they weren't coming to [I]future[/I] games. [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50696242]No, but others might.[/QUOTE] You really think they did the research to find out that the people working security were officers? They were off-duty.

[QUOTE=gk99;50696247]BLM is a garbage organization with a just cause, which causes a conflict of interest (though I mostly just lean toward "fuck BLM" because I don't support obstructing or violent protest), but I feel like this is the equivalent of leaving your post because someone's wearing a Trump shirt. Their job is protecting the people, they can't just leave. They shouldn't have volunteered to be security if they weren't planning on keeping the place secure if hypothetically somebody walked by wearing a shirt that offended them. Prejudices don't mean shit on the job, regardless of whether or not they're getting paid. While I can understand them being a bit upset, they made the wrong decision. If they were really that pissed off, they should've finished the game and told whoever was running the volunteering that they weren't coming to [I]future[/I] games. [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] You really think they did the research to find out that the people working security were officers? They were off-duty.[/QUOTE] Well I doubt they'll get to keep their job as security after that.

[QUOTE=Aetna;50696077]It's not really agreeing to disagree [B]when your thoughts are easily disprovable.[/B] Like we've all said, it's a really common thing to have happen in the states and doesn't appear to affect anyone's work ethic.[/QUOTE] I feel the same about your points, they are easily disproved in my opinion but we have gone off topic far enough. Agreeing to disagree means you acknowledge the other thinks differently then you without making any further judgement on the merits of their argument just so you dont perpetually keep moving back and forth. There is no requirement for both arguments to be perfectly rational and sensical to both arguers before 'agreeing to disagree' becomes an option. Im willing to continue this in PMs or something but as stated before, mods on facepunch are worse here then on 4chan and i dont want to get 'permabanned for shitposting' or some random stuff.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50695900]In the sense that they get paid to provide security by the state, but charge for private protection? Isnt this kinda like a government owned contractor taking commercial contracts on the side? people go to jail for that stuff here, and rightfully so. Publicly funded should never compete with privately funded, only leads to corruption or tax expenditure abuse.[/QUOTE] Nahh not really. At public construction sites you see on the road cops or state troopers can charge like $100/hr to just sit there and flash their sirens. They get paid shit so it's understandable.

[QUOTE=gk99;50696247]You really think they did the research to find out that the people working security were officers? They were off-duty.[/QUOTE]That really doesn't change anything at all. Also, while not always, its not uncommon for off-duty cops to still wear their uniforms when doing security. Some jurisdictions prohibit officers from wearing uniforms while off-duty, others allow it, and I couldn't find mention either way in the full article if they were. But even if they weren't, that doesn't make one feel safe. [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;50696264]Well I doubt they'll get to keep their job as security after that.[/QUOTE]They withdrew themselves from future consideration as security. They didn't just leave the game, they quit outright after this.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50696149]Do you reckon that the Minnesota Lynx players were intending to shoot the police officers?[/QUOTE] I dont see how that is at all relevant, you come over as someone trying to poison the argument with strawmen. The cops left for the presence of the BLM tshirts, possibly they thought it was disrespectful seeing a couple cops died at a BLM protest by someone thinking BLM was a call to arms. people like Ja'Mal Green who argued that the Dallas killings needed to be seen as a wake-up call enforce the bitter taste BLM leaves at time to some. [QUOTE]"It's not a setback at all," he told The New York Times. "That's showing the people of this country that black people are getting to a boiling point. We are tired of watching police kill our brothers and sisters. We are tired of being tired."[/QUOTE] Sure this is understandable, every movement has their counterproductive retards... but the focus of a movement comes from calling out and correcting these people, this seems at first glance to not happen. Its not about those cops not wanting black lives to matter, its about them being personally targeted by someone they associate with a group of people. And its up to BLM as a group to prove they have nothing to do with that person, there is no innocent until proven guilty in the public’s eye.

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;50696031]Terrorists 'win' when you give in to them like these four did. Standing your ground and [B]doing your job[/B] is where you don't let them win. It's disappointing to see anyone commend them over abandoning their responsibility to provide security, even in the face of perceived danger.[/QUOTE] Only there weren't any terrorists involved here though.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50696336]Only there weren't any terrorists involved here though.[/QUOTE] Well the media doesn't help All the issues over this have arisen from the media. Sometimes it's not their fault (the news report, well, news, and news are things that shouldn't happen; there aren't any news about people doing their job correctly), sometimes though they can be biased

[QUOTE=angelangel;50695876]I find it weird how it seems that most cops do private security and other security-related jobs on the sideline. Wouldn't there be a conflict of interest?[/QUOTE] They do it all the time all over the place. Places want security, and police officers can work in uniform as security for them when they aren't on duty. Father did it in Nashville with a movie theater every friday night from 6PM to closing. I would go and watch the new releases free It's also why a lot of cops hate highway patrol. You can't get Highway Patrol to come into the city to help you work a wreck, but they'll sure as shit go into your city to work the extra jobs that are available to police

I dunno, while i don't really condone this in any way, after the recent shootings and the Toronto pride parade, i can kinda understand why. Again, not something i agree they should have done, but from a certain point of view it can make sense. [Editline]djaicbs[/editline] Blizzerd also makes a fair point.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50695925]Maybe they left because they don't want to risk getting shot. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling, just banned" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight][/QUOTE] That's hyperbole, bda. To wear a shirt like that only a few days after the fatal shooting of 5 officers by someone who at the very least was using blm to justify themselves is inconsiderate. When the officers saw that shit they were likely disappointed and disgusted that the people they wanted to protect had it in for them. Standing up and walking away when you're getting shit on is only natural for an adult human. Also yeah leaving the security positions isn't that great but I think off duty they're not really officers and are instead people who are faster at calling 911 so it wasn't a huge loss.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50696149]Do you reckon that the Minnesota Lynx players were intending to shoot the police officers?[/QUOTE] No, but the crowd may have someone who would. I wouldnt want to be anywhere near BLM unless I had a lot of backup on hand. Even then I would be cautious. Hell, even as a civilian I want nothing to do with BLM. They may target me on the sole basis that I drive a decomissioned police cruiser. The violent ones will only see words two and three of the phrase 'decomissioned police cruiser'. They wont care that I'm not a cop, that I agree with the tenets that originally formed BLM's basis. They will see the spotlight, the black trim, the whip antenna on the trunklid, and just open up on thr assumption that I am. I give them a wide berth. Not taking any risks with them. [url=http://i.imgur.com/ItKDx8a.jpg]Would you?[/url]

[QUOTE=TestECull;50696622]No, but the crowd may have someone who would. I wouldnt want to be anywhere near BLM unless I had a lot of backup on hand. Even then I would be cautious. Hell, even as a civilian I want nothing to do with BLM. They may target me on the sole basis that I drive a decomissioned police cruiser. The violent ones will only see words two and three of the phrase 'decomissioned police cruiser'. They wont care that I'm not a cop, that I agree with the tenets that originally formed BLM's basis. They will see the spotlight, the black trim, the whip antenna on the trunklid, and just open up on thr assumption that I am. I give them a wide berth. Not taking any risks with them. [url=http://i.imgur.com/ItKDx8a.jpg]Would you?[/url][/QUOTE] A bit hard for me to give BLM any kind of berth considering that I live in Ferguson. BLM has an understandably large presence here. Seeing shirts, yard signs, stickers, etc is incredibly common. While some of my interactions with various protestors have been an annoying inconvenience, I've mostly had positive interactions, and never felt personally threatened. BLM is at every community meeting, protests damn near every day in various parts of the city. The vast, vast majority of these protests are small and boring and totally harmless. Some marching, some signs, some chants, handing out literature, talking to people, etc. Obviously my anecdotal evidence doesn't apply to [I]all[/I] BLM supporters, but neither does yours or the media's. The popular notion that anybody who considers themselves BLM supporters are violent thugs who hate cops is fucking ridiculous, as is the response of the off-duty officers in the OP. [QUOTE=01271;50696599]To wear a shirt like that only a few days after the fatal shooting of 5 officers by someone who at the very least was using blm to justify themselves is inconsiderate.[/QUOTE] Not really, no. Not unless you're equating being concerned about the issues that BLM protests to "wanting to see cops killed," at least.

[QUOTE=Megadave;50695863]If you are going to be that salty about BLM then maybe you don't need to be a police officer.[/QUOTE] Guess what, it was off duty work which isn't required. If they want to walk away that is fine. Cops are allowed to show their disgust towards the BLM just like the BLM is allowed to show their disgust towards cops. 5 people in their fraternity died. So excuse them for being a little salty. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50695874]Yes, the idea that we should stop systemically exploiting minorities is deeply offensive to me, too.[/QUOTE] Maybe it is has to do with how the BLM has attacked all cops regardless of who they are? Maybe it has to do with the fact 5 cops just got murdered and maybe they're still pissed about it. If you watch more then just CNN you might see after the Dallas shooting incident that has been a rise of incidents against cops. To the point that they're told to leave patrol cars away from their homes, do not wear uniforms after work, do not show any police affiliation, etc. Yeah is it kinda stupid? I agree, but are they allowed to do it? Yes. Personally I think they should have stuck out and worked the security detail for the game. Get paid and go home. [QUOTE=Combin0wnage;50695867]Why do Officers think BLM = You are personally a shit cop, and all officers are responsible. They should agree, excessive force is something never to be used on suspects.[/QUOTE] I dunno, maybe it has to do with the fact that a lot of BLM protests call for cops to die and chant “pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon.” Maybe it has to do with blacks calling black cops sellouts and uncle tom motherfuckers. Maybe it has to do with many people within the organization promote and celebrate the death of cops. Like if the BLM wasn't just a bunch of hate mongering people who rallied behind criminals as their victims and didn't do some of the stuff they did cops wouldn't be this way. I'm all for fighting injustice but the BLM really needs some structure and leadership. Yes they have help accomplish some good things, but they could do better and are not without faults. You cannot ignore they antagonize a lot of violence, in certain aspects have ruined their own community by burning things down and looting. If we want to talk about accountability, both sides need to be held accountable.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50696775]A bit hard for me to give BLM any kind of berth considering that I live in Ferguson. BLM has an understandably large presence here. Seeing shirts, yard signs, stickers, etc is incredibly common. While some of my interactions with various protestors have been an annoying inconvenience, I've mostly had positive interactions, and never felt personally threatened. BLM is at every community meeting, protests damn near every day in various parts of the city. The vast, vast majority of these protests are small and boring and totally harmless. Some marching, some signs, some chants, handing out literature, talking to people, etc. Obviously my anecdotal evidence doesn't apply to [I]all[/I] BLM supporters, but neither does yours or the media's. The popular notion that anybody who considers themselves BLM supporters are violent thugs who hate cops is fucking ridiculous, as is the response of the off-duty officers in the OP. Not really, no. Not unless you're equating being concerned about the issues that BLM protests to "wanting to see cops killed," at least.[/QUOTE] It's not the peaceful 95% I am concerned about. Its the violent 5% that take potshots at cop cars that I am concerned about. I have no way to tell the two apart until they act, so I am not going to take any chances. I am giving them a wide berth regardlrss of the peaceful majority. It only takes one shithead with a shotgun to turn a peaceful protest involving tens of thousands into a bloodbath.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50695874]Yes, the idea that we should stop systemically exploiting minorities is deeply offensive to me, too.[/QUOTE] You can't just appropriate of good causes in order to shield yourself from criticism coming from groups of people that feel wronged about your movement's action. Regardless of how good your ideals are perceived to be. And it's understandable that members of the police would be offended by the portrail BLM paints of them, even worse when you consider stunts like: [quote=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pride-parade-toronto-1.3662823] Some of the other demands Chantelois agreed to are that the parade will no longer have police floats, and the organization will hold a public town hall with groups such as Black Lives Matter Toronto within six months. Pride Toronto, in response to the sit-in, said it welcomes the opportunity to "continue the conversation" with Black Lives Matter Toronto. "During the parade, BLM-TO started a conversation with us to explore how we can create an even more inclusive and safe festival. We, like BLM-TO have a commitment to ensure our most marginalized communities feel safe and welcome at the festival."[/quote] Quoted follows one such officer that feels wronged about it: [quote=Chuck Krangle] I am writing today to address concerns I have with your recent agreement with Black Lives Matter TO. I am particularly concerned with your willingness to remove all police floats and booths in future parades and community spaces. [...] Police officers are significantly represented in the LGBTQ community and it would be unacceptable to alienate and discriminate against them and those who support them. They too struggled to gain a place and workplace free from discrimination and bias. I do not speak for the police, and I do not speak for the LGBTQ community. I speak as an individual, one who saw his first Pride, only to be excluded from the next. Exclusion does not promote inclusion. [/quote] Not claiming that BLM is bad either, just that dismissing people's opinions like that isn't cool, and it fails to open a communication channel in which we can properly talk. This sort of claim only serves to force people either to take agressive stances or go full defensive, when we should be trying to have a healthy discussion about it.

[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;50695867]Why do Officers think BLM = You are personally a shit cop, and all officers are responsible. They should agree, excessive force is something never to be used on suspects.[/QUOTE] Because the incredibly vocal minority believes that as well as the official organization that represents the movement.

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[QUOTE=TestECull;50696858]It's not the peaceful 95% I am concerned about. Its the violent 5% that take potshots at cop cars that I am concerned about. I have no way to tell the two apart until they act, so I am not going to take any chances. I am giving them a wide berth regardlrss of the peaceful majority. It only takes one shithead with a shotgun to turn a peaceful protest involving tens of thousands into a bloodbath.[/QUOTE] Here, [url]http://www.indystar.com/story/news/fox59/2016/07/12/17-shots-fired-into-indianapolis-police-officers-car-home/86982076/[/url] Earlier today from my city. Not really BLM related in specific but the idea that it's not really safe to be a cop, even just driving around a decommissioned cop car.

Wow everyone is making this out to be such a huge deal when it's not. It was officers working voluntarily at an OT event. I'd walk too if I was getting shit on. Now they know not to sign up in the future and other officers know that they're not appreciated by the team. It's not s big deal. They still have private security at the venue.

BLM is pretty shitty of a movement overall and all I have to do is go onto facebook for 5 mins to find someone who posts something along the lines of how the Police are actually the terrorists and that they deserve whatever gets thrown at them. I don't think it is unreasonable that officers feel abit miffed by BLM representation after recent events.

It's one thing protecting a group of protestors and their supporters while you're on shift as an officer, regardless of them calling for your assault, chanting about wanting dead cops, and throwing shit at you. But, when they're on OT work as private security, they have no obligation to protect the scumbags or their supporters.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;50697078]Wow everyone is making this out to be such a huge deal when it's not. It was officers working voluntarily at an OT event. I'd walk too if I was getting shit on. Now they know not to sign up in the future and other officers know that they're not appreciated by the team. It's not s big deal. They still have private security at the venue.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure saying you don't like excessive violence isn't shitting on anyone [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;50697117]It's one thing protecting a group of protestors and their supporters while you're on shift as an officer, regardless of them calling for your assault, chanting about wanting dead cops, and throwing shit at you. But, when they're on OT work as private security, they have no obligation to protect the scumbags or their supporters.[/QUOTE] These guys weren't saying anything like that though

Why are people acting like the Dallas shooter got his desire to shoot officers from BLM when all evidence shows he got that from joining black supremacy groups like New Black Panthers and others. The only reason it happened at a BLM protest is because it'd have a lot of officers on duty nearby him.