4 Cops abandon security posts at basketball pregame when players come out wearing BLM t-shirts - Polidicks

What if they saw BLM protesters (who don't like cops), and said okay, you guys don't like cops, fair enough, we'll just leave now?

[QUOTE=plunger435;50697240]Why are people acting like the Dallas shooter got his desire to shoot officers from BLM when all evidence shows he got that from joining black supremacy groups like New Black Panthers and others. The only reason it happened at a BLM protest is because it'd have a lot of officers on duty nearby him.[/QUOTE] This is completely unrelated to Dallas

[QUOTE=Tudd;50697108]BLM is pretty shitty of a movement overall and all I have to do is go onto facebook for 5 mins to find someone who posts something along the lines of how the Police are actually the terrorists and that they deserve whatever gets thrown at them. I don't think it is unreasonable that officers feel abit miffed by BLM representation after recent events.[/QUOTE] Not every BLM supporter is a shitty cop-hater. If they left after the players/audience would be chanting things like "KILL THE PIGS!" or shit like that then of course leaving would be justified. But, since there was no proof that the players were part of the shady part of the group that supports cop-killings, they should've stayed.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50697207]Pretty sure saying you don't like excessive violence isn't shitting on anyone [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] These guys weren't saying anything like that though[/QUOTE] Officers signed up for security for a sports event, not an activist rally

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50697207]Pretty sure saying you don't like excessive violence isn't shitting on anyone [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] These guys weren't saying anything like that though[/QUOTE] They were supporting the group that does.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;50697283]Officers signed up for security for a sports event, not an activist rally[/QUOTE] They were wearing shirts... That's it [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;50697304]They were supporting the group that does.[/QUOTE] A group that has members that do

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50697337]They were wearing shirts... That's it [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] A group that has members that do[/QUOTE] They can continue to wear the shirts to make a statement. They'll just have to rely on the venue's private security

[QUOTE=Code3Response;50697363]They can continue to wear the shirts to make a statement. They'll just have to rely on the venue's private security[/QUOTE] They have no good reason to have left

The reason they left is personal objection. They know now not to sign up in the future. They don't need anymore reason. That's the beauty of voluntarily being there.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;50697515]The reason they left is personal objection. They know now not to sign up in the future. They don't need anymore reason. That's the beauty of voluntarily being there.[/QUOTE] They don't need a reason, but they have one.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;50697078]Wow everyone is making this out to be such a huge deal when it's not. It was officers working voluntarily at an OT event. [B]I'd walk too if I was getting shit on[/B]. Now they know not to sign up in the future and other officers know that they're not appreciated by the team. It's not s big deal. They still have private security at the venue.[/QUOTE] "Getting shit on?" Who was "shitting on" the officers? The players, for wearing "Black Lives Matter" shirts? Are you incapable of interpreting criticism directed at individual officers, departments, or policies as anything other than an attack on [I]all police?[/I] You come out with shit like this in [U]every thread[/U] relating to police. I mean, you are aware that it is possible to think that Cop A has failed in his professional duties without thinking that Cop B must also be a bad egg, right? Please try to step back from this for a moment and realize that, while some supporters of BLM are certainly overzealous and disrespectful, many of the complaints and criticisms that BLM was founded on are completely valid, and the vast majority of the movement simply want to see reforms to training, policy, and procedure in order to create a more equitable and less hostile police force. That does not mean that they hate cops. Please try to understand that before you continue to perpetuate this absurd narrative that you must either support [I]all[/I] police action, or none of it. That narrative is what led to a jumpy officer inappropriately killing Philando Castile. He saw a black man, heard the word "gun," and got spooked because the popular narrative being perpetuated by so many people right now, yourself included, is that black people are at war with police officers. As an officer yourself, I fear that you carrying on with that mindset could ultimately lead to [I]you[/I] being the one on the news in a controversial use of force situation.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50697567]They don't need a reason, but they have one.[/QUOTE] so? it's a good reason

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50697498]They have no good reason to have left[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to make any statements about the officers or players, but do you have a good reason for every decision you've made in your life? I'd reckon you probably don't, so this isn't exactly a good argument.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50697742]"Getting shit on?" Who was "shitting on" the officers? The players, for wearing "Black Lives Matter" shirts?[/QUOTE]Yeah, BLM is a shit movement that shits on every member of law enforcement as a whole. [QUOTE]Are you incapable of interpreting criticism directed at individual officers, departments, or policies as anything other than an attack on [I]all police?[/I] You come out with shit like this in [U]every thread[/U] relating to police. I mean, you are aware that it is possible to think that Cop A has failed in his professional duties without thinking that Cop B must also be a bad egg, right?[/QUOTE]Because, BDA, they direct it at more than just individual officers, departments, and policies. You know this I'm sure but are willfully denying it. [QUOTE]Please try to step back from this for a moment and realize that, while some supporters of BLM are certainly overzealous and disrespectful, many of the complaints and criticisms that BLM was founded on are completely valid, and the vast majority of the movement simply want to see reforms to training, policy, and procedure in order to create a more equitable and less hostile police force. That does not mean that they hate cops. Please try to understand that before you continue to perpetuate this absurd narrative that you must either support [I]all[/I] police action, or none of it. That narrative is what led to a jumpy officer inappropriately killing Philando Castile. He saw a black man, heard the word "gun," and got spooked because the popular narrative being perpetuated by so many people right now, yourself included, is that black people are at war with police officers.[/QUOTE]There are legitimate complaints, but that is irrelevant when the group actively encourages bad behavior, when they take token measures at best to curb any when caught out for it, when they direct their outrage at innocent people entirely unrelated to them or their complaints. It doesn't excuse that shit. "No bad methods, just bad targets." Right? [QUOTE]As an officer yourself, I fear that you carrying on with that mindset could ultimately lead to [I]you[/I] being the one on the news in a controversial use of force situation.[/QUOTE]Nice, so because he doesn't like a demonstrably shitty group, he's going to blow away a black kid, right? Wow.

Sorry, but police officers are people too with personal opinions as well. In this instance I agree with the officers. They don't have any duty to work off-duty shifts for a venue that is promoting an organization they disagree with. I've personally felt that BLM blows up every instance of police shooting if the suspect is black and the officer is not black. Solely on the basis of race, which is wrong. With the recent shootings the media has taking advantage of it, just like they have in past shooting. But I learned fast that the media loves to lie by omission in these shootings. They will edit out anything that shows the officer did not react to the guy's race, but due to some action the guy made. With Anton, the angle of the camera precludes seeing exactly what the officers were seeing. Anton did have quite the violent past, and was prohibited by law from carrying a weapon as a felon (sex offender). With Philando, the officers were suspecting he was involved in an armed robbery. And the video starts very late, after the actual shooting. People have just taken his girlfriend's word for it. There has been no evidence that the officer shot unjustly yet. But people have immediately taking the side that he did. Was Philando even a CHL holder? Donno. Was he actually told by the officer to get his license? Donno. This crap has turned into public lynching of officers before the facts of the case are even known.

Of course they left, they're doing volunteer work off duty for free, and as it stands right now, BLM is not pro minority, it's anti cop. [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50697742] As an officer yourself, I fear that you carrying on with that mindset could ultimately lead to [I]you[/I] being the one on the news in a controversial use of force situation.[/QUOTE] Stay in your lane lmfao

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;50698003]Of course they left, they're doing volunteer work off duty for free, and as it stands right now, BLM is not pro minority, it's anti cop. [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] Stay in your lane lmfao[/QUOTE] Right like how are you gonna comment on another mans life and say he'll end up on the news after shooting someone because of his opinion. What even is that shit.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50697742] As an officer yourself, I fear that you carrying on with that mindset could ultimately lead to [I]you[/I] being the one on the news in a controversial use of force situation.[/QUOTE] Yea I think everyone I work with is in the same boat. We're afraid of being the next Darren Wilson. Do everything right but still get raked over the coals because it involved someone of color.

[QUOTE=Kigen;50697994]This crap has turned into public lynching of officers before the facts of the case are even known.[/QUOTE] This is important to note. The fact that so many people are jumping to conclusions based on completely inconclusive footage is ridiculous. You can't tell me either way in the cases of Sterling or Castile that the officers involved shot them unjustly or not. There's just not enough evidence either way. I'd argue that this hot-headed, jumping to conclusions attitude is doing significantly more damage to both the BLM movements and the perception of police officers compared to anything else. Furthermore any distrust of the police that manifests itself during interactions with police officers doesn't seem to be helping anyone on either side either. Almost as if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

but the community supports us, so that probably wont happen. But it could.

this movement has just devolved entirely. I feel bad for the people who legitimately just want to stop the violence, because they're being drowned out and the group is just turning into black panthers 2. the whole loud minority bit is turning into the majority.

[QUOTE=Naught;50698110]this movement has just devolved entirely. I feel bad for the people who legitimately just want to stop the violence, because they're being drowned out and the group is just turning into black panthers 2. the whole loud minority bit is turning into the majority.[/QUOTE] How are some players running out on the Target field wearing BLM shirts "black panthers 2?" This is such an immature decision by the cops. The players wore shirts with a political message they disagreed with, so they just outright left their paid position? Nobody pointed guns, there was no violence - players walked out wearing shirts. And the cops threw a tantrum and left their posts.

They did the right thing

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;50698325]They did the right thing[/QUOTE] So if people were wearing NRA shirts, you'd be okay with the cops abandoning their paid positions? You're okay with cops choosing not to defend people because of the political opinions they express? Sure, they had a right to leave, since they were working off-duty security, but it's still incredibly immature.

Reminds me of a story my friend's dad (a former cop) told me. He was working security at some event for some sort of anti-gun organization. They were told not to carry and didn't feel comfortable not carrying, so their policy was to leave if anything went down.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50698333]So if people were wearing NRA shirts, you'd be okay with the cops abandoning their paid positions? You're okay with cops choosing not to defend people because of the political opinions they express? Sure, they had a right to leave, since they were working off-duty security, but it's still incredibly immature.[/QUOTE] Welcome to at will employment. They could have been fired because someone didn't like the way they tied their shoes, yet as soon as they exercise their right to work when and where they see fit, you get your knickers in a knot. I wouldn't want to work in a potentially hostile environment like that either. They had the financial security to say, fuck you, and walk out. They did. End of discussion.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;50698325]They did the right thing[/QUOTE] How?

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50698304]This is such an immature decision by the cops.[/QUOTE] They volunteered to do security at a venue, only for the team to come out as anti-police, and less than a week after the murder of 5 police officers by a cop hater. I don't blame them for wanting to leave, I would feel very unwanted there, and that display is not what I thought I had volunteered for.

[url]http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/21-officers-injured-i-94-protests/[/url] It truly is a mystery why police in Minnesota wouldn't be supporting BLM right now.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50698333]So if people were wearing NRA shirts, you'd be okay with the cops abandoning their paid positions? You're okay with cops choosing not to defend people because of the political opinions they express? Sure, they had a right to leave, since they were working off-duty security, but it's still incredibly immature.[/QUOTE] Does the NRA openly advocate for the murder of police officers? Does the NRA throw molotovs and bricks at police officers? Does the NRA label the police automatically guilty before any facts come out?