• Vitamin supplements are not beneficial, and increase your chance of dying by up to 28%
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[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40946796]Nuts, beans, greek yogurt, quinoa, eggs. 9G protein per 1/4 cup of peanuts, can't complain.[/QUOTE] Except plant proteins tend not to be complete proteins: they don't have the optimal amino acid profile that we need. Eggs and yoghurt are alright, but you'd have to eat an awful lot to get your RDA. We're omnivores for a reason. Eating lean meat like chicken and fish isn't bad for you, but an abundance of red meats can make you feel bloated and generally shit.
This is dumb. Lumping all vitamins under the same banner and treating them all equally is dumb. People need to start researching things for themselves and start taking things on their own merits, not searching for a "one size fits all" solution. Fact is there are a great deal of ailments that can and have been proven to be helped by megadosing certain vitamins. On the flip side, there are certain vitamins that when megadosed for long periods of time cause health problems. The idea that because something is natural or a "vitamin" that it must be healthy in all circumstances is silly. P.S the article is silly too, they are trying to imply pauling and his wife died because of their vitamin supplementation, not because, y'know, any million other contributing and entirely unrelated factors. Some people smoke like chimneys and drink excessively yet die of ripe old age, not cancers, should you emulate their behavior? [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] p.s pauling was in his 90s when he died of prostate cancer....... [editline]8th June 2013[/editline] ugh the more i read through the studies referenced in the article the more I'm cringing, most of these are bad science and not at all conclusive documentation that you could draw conclusions from on their single merits. Thats what we have meta-analysis for. The book really seems to be trying to sell based on the current "big pharma! :( " scare trend.
i'm anemic and need iron supplements i'm confused if i carry on taking them will i die pls someone respond
After I started taking multivitamins I dream more and became much less tired during the day.
I bet healthy people who eat well and exercise are less likely to eat vitamin supplements that people who try to compensate their shitty habits by "easy solutions" such as by eating supplements.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40946496]I quoted the italic'd section from the article. ITT, homeopathy slots in the same category as vitamins, which is 'not-medicine' yet it's somehow considered 'alternative medicine' nevertheless, whilst things that do work are still considered 'alternative'.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk[/media] Somewhat relevant.
Going through those studies, they only range from 5-10 years which is hardly long term enough to hold significance to make a claim that a man was diagnosed with prostate cancer in his 90s by taking vitamins for many years. Also I found this one where the article stated: [quote]In 2007, researchers from the National Cancer Institute examined 11,000 men who did or did not take multivitamins. Those who took multivitamins were twice as likely to die from advanced prostate cancer.[/quote] And when I clicked on the article this was the conclusion: [quote]CONCLUSION: These results suggest that regular multivitamin use is not associated with the risk of early or localized prostate cancer. The possibility that men taking high levels of multivitamins along with other supplements have increased risk of advanced and fatal prostate cancers is of concern and merits further evaluation.[/quote] This article looks pretty unreliable and bogus to me.
my mother worked for vitamin world and believes vitamins can-do-no-harm
I used to pop vitamin C tablets like they were candy. They just taste so nice.
This article is pretty misleading, and not well put together. It's essentially "FACT: People who drink Dihydrogen Monoxide die! Yet Millions ingest this from Corporations with minimal laws regarding it's use" Many people take vitamins, reasons for various reasons, mostly because they are cheap and help people who can't eat all the most healthy. Many people take vitamins because they think it offsets a unhealthy lifestyle, IE: I'll take a multivitamin to offset the EXTRA EXTRA LARGE BURGER I ate. This study doesn't reference a control group, nor does it detail the lifestyles of the people who are reported such as; heavy drinker, smoker, common diet, etc etc. Normally people piss out most of the vitamins they take because the body can't use it. [QUOTE=J!NX;40948254]my mother worked for vitamin world and believes vitamins can-do-no-harm[/QUOTE] If you space out when you take them, such as after 3 months you give one month off them, you'll generally be fine. It's bad when people are on them for year(s) and suddenly stop, the body has to re-adapt and problems can come up because the dependency on the supplement.
isn't your chance of dying already 100%
Most people just use them as an excuse to eat unhealthily and tell themselves that they are just getting all the good stuff from elsewhere
I always knew Flintstones vitamins were horrible, but I guess they're so bad that they can increase the likelihood of death over 100%.
[QUOTE=loopoo;40946737]This sounds ridiculous. Your body doesn't reject things. If that was the case, why do we not reject poison?[/QUOTE] it does, its called vomiting.
[QUOTE=Kegan]when I DO eat, it's usually not very nutritional stuff because I don't make a whole lot of money and can't afford better stuff.[/QUOTE] that is the dumbest excuse, what's a few cans of beans and a container of oats cost? next to nothing and frozen chicken breasts or eggs are also very affordable. It doesn't need to be lobster and caviar in order to be healthy
[QUOTE=Lolx0rz;40946370]IMO the only reason you should need to take vitamin supplements is if you are sick.[/QUOTE] no. no. no. no. taking vitamins when you are sick is like putting the condom on after you've already had sex. it's too late. if you keep your daily intake of vitamins at its normal, natrually (i.e. fruits, vegetables, etc etc.) then your body has what it needs to reinforce against whatever sickness you have. you have to keep in mind that when you take vitamins when youre sick, your body is already at a weakened state, therefore has to work harder to get the vitamins to where they need to go, and from there they need to work on making more white blood cells etc to heal your sickness. its more strenuous on your immune system. best thing to do when youre sick is stay hydrated and maintain your level of vitamins as you normally would. that and taking medicine (e.g. cough syrup for a cough, cold & flu for a cold, etc). also, rest. rest. rest.
[QUOTE=Vasili;40949545]it does, its called vomiting.[/QUOTE] He was talking about concentrations, so I thought he meant the body can tell if something is in too high a concentration and "reject it" by not absorbing it (I wasn't thinking about vomiting, stupidly). And overdosing on vitamin A doesn't cause you to vomit, you just die because your liver is damaged beyond repair. Same with most other vitamins. You either don't vomit at all, or by the time you vomit, it's already too late.
So basically they're saying vitamin pills give you cancer now? Well not surprising, it seems literally [i]anything[/i] can cause cancer these days. I've been taking vitamin supplements probably most of my life, and hardly ever get sick and haven't ever had any major medical problems, so I don't really care what this article says, won't change me.
wow so chugging [t]http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/images/catalog/skus/l_op-1010.png[/t] this will kill you? who knew tons and tons of extra unneeded vitamins, minerals, and "proteins" would cause organ damage....
Is it just me, or does anyone else just eat normally throughout their day and then chew a multi-vita;multi-mineral supplement everyother 1-2 days just incase so basically always eat your meals but just in case, you chew a tablet every few days
Well fuck me, I've been taking these things since I was a kid. Like, constantly. Like, mega-doses and cocktails of different vitamins. I was always under the illusion that what you didn't use, your body just pissed out. Fuck me...
[QUOTE=Suitcase;40952361]Well fuck me, I've been taking these things since I was a kid. Like, constantly. Like, mega-doses and cocktails of different vitamins. I was always under the illusion that what you didn't use, your body just pissed out. Fuck me...[/QUOTE] Don't worry buddy. You'll be okay.
I am not particularly positive about the validity of this article either. I have been taking a large variety of vitamins for some time, and noticed nothing but positive effects, with no signs of overdose or toxicity whatsoever. It is reasonably possible that it may simply be extremely biased against artificial vitamins or exaggerating towards the danger of higher than recommended doses. For example, I have been taking a B-100 complex for more than long enough to notice the aforementioned nerve damage related effects, yet I am quite hard-pressed to find any.
[QUOTE=Suitcase;40952361]Well fuck me, I've been taking these things since I was a kid. Like, constantly. Like, mega-doses and cocktails of different vitamins. I was always under the illusion that what you didn't use, your body just pissed out. Fuck me...[/QUOTE] Vitamin A tends to build up over a long time, and apparently that's bad for you. Just cut back and you'll be okay. As long as you get a bit of fruit and veg each day you'll be fine
fuck vitamin supplements
Tried to tell my mother about this article. "The article is just written by the FDA or someone to get you back into [I]their[/I] industry of medicine." Welp goodbye health :suicide: The only vitamin I've noticed a good effect from is melatonin as a great sleep aid.
Well using the same logic with high fructose corn syrup and refined sugars we really shouldnt be consuming pure vitamins and minerals. Macronutrients are probably safe.
[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;40953567]Tried to tell my mother about this article. "The article is just written by the FDA or someone to get you back into [I]their[/I] industry of medicine." Welp goodbye health :suicide: The only vitamin I've noticed a good effect from is melatonin as a great sleep aid.[/QUOTE] I think it's practically impossible to overdose on melatonin anyways.
I gotta stop taking that crap...
[QUOTE=loopoo;40946818]Except plant proteins tend not to be complete proteins: they don't have the optimal amino acid profile that we need. Eggs and yoghurt are alright, but you'd have to eat an awful lot to get your RDA.[/QUOTE] Soy
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