• Indian minister says rapes happen 'accidentally'
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[QUOTE=Jackald;45032745]Okay, i know everyone's going to be very angry about this, but i think what he was getting at was the following kind of situation: You go to a nightclub, everyone's drunk, a girl is all over you, you flirt, you go "hey, want to go back to mine" or something, she agrees, then you have sex, maybe she passes out or something or she, in her drunken state, thought you meant go back to yours for mario kart or some shit, i don't know, and then due to drunkenness, nobody really knows what's going on. Then later, when everyone's sober, both parties realize the error of their ways. A lot of a rapes happen like this due to the influence of drugs and alcohol. I'm thinking he's referring to stuff like that, not shit like "HEY YOU, TAKE YOUR PANTS OFF" in a dark alley at knifepoint.[/QUOTE] Drunken consent from both sides isn't rape... only if one side is drunk and the other takes advantage of it. [editline]8th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=locojaws;45034135]so does that mean if i got super drunk then got lead into a bedroom and had sex with a girl that was completely sober then i was raped?[/QUOTE] Technically, yes. Unless she was like your girlfriend or something and/or there was previous consent before you got drunk I guess.
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[QUOTE=Technopath;45034174] Technically, yes. Unless she was like your girlfriend or something and/or there was previous consent before you got drunk I guess.[/QUOTE] Even if she is your girlfriend/wife/whatever it still is rape if there was no consent.
[QUOTE=Technopath;45034174] Technically, yes. Unless she was like your girlfriend or something and/or there was previous consent before you got drunk I guess.[/QUOTE] Well then at a certain point, some situations like that could help to trivialize the word rape itself. Because even though I was intoxicated I still was able to consent and at no point afterwards did I feel violated or personally exploited.
[QUOTE=locojaws;45034262]Well then at a certain point, some situations like that could help to trivialize the word rape itself. Because even though I was intoxicated I still was able to consent and at no point afterwards did I feel violated or personally exploited.[/QUOTE] If you were okay with it then you don't consider it rape and everyone goes home happy.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45034251]Even if she is your girlfriend/wife/whatever it still is rape if there was no consent.[/QUOTE] Wait, are you saying that a man could be charged with rape if they're drunk (can't consent) or are you saying that they should both be able to be charged?
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45032759]Let me cut it short: No. Our politicians are literally dumb enough to believe something and spout said nonsense in public without watching what they're saying. Case in point: they tried to dig for 1,000 tons of gold at some place because 'a sadhu said it was there in his dream.' link: [url]http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/unnao-gold-hunt-up-gold-hunt-asi-gsi-archaeological-survey-of-india-india-today/1/319920.html[/url][/QUOTE] Is your country literally made of lead because everyone's fucking batshit insane in there
Whenever someone says "India doesn't have a rape problem, the media is focusing too much on rapes in India compared to other places", can we please redirect them to this thread?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45034302]Wait, are you saying that a man could be charged with rape if they're drunk (can't consent) or are you saying that they should both be able to be charged?[/QUOTE] If you're not drunk and you have sex with your drunk gf she can report you for rape. That's what I'm saying.
How can this idiot even come up with such a statement, rape is absolutely horrific.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45034304]Is your country literally made of lead because everyone's fucking batshit insane in there[/QUOTE] I pretty much disavow any so-called 'national pride' in this country because [i]there's literally nothing here to be proud of.[/i] If I could, I'd leave the scene to a safer place. Switzerland, maybe, since I have family there.
The first time someone said something like this it was a mistranslation, are they sure this isn't the same case?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45034324]If you're not drunk and you have sex with your drunk gf she can report you for rape. That's what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] You can report rape as a male as well in those circumstances. It's a cultural issue not a legal one, men get ridiculed for reporting these kinds of rape/sexual abuses so they don't report them.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45032759]Let me cut it short: No. Our politicians are literally dumb enough to believe something and spout said nonsense in public without watching what they're saying. Case in point: they tried to dig for 1,000 tons of gold at some place because 'a sadhu said it was there in his dream.' link: [URL]http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/unnao-gold-hunt-up-gold-hunt-asi-gsi-archaeological-survey-of-india-india-today/1/319920.html[/URL][/QUOTE] your telling me, for example some doctor that was from you country tried to continually give a patient 2mg clonazepam every 2 hours, I'm like are you serious?! your going to kill your patient if you do that(i know this because my mother is a RN and she had to work with the guy). Not saying everyone from your country is an idiot but i swear a lot of them have a hell of an attitude and seem to be morons
[QUOTE=locojaws;45034262]Well then at a certain point, some situations like that could help to trivialize the word rape itself. Because even though I was intoxicated I still was able to consent and at no point afterwards did I feel violated or personally exploited.[/QUOTE] here lets think about this for a moment: consent is a very personal thing. [I]you[/I] did not feel violated. just because [I]you[/I] did not feel violated does not mean others would not. something i've never said on this forum: it's happened to me. i was blackout drunk with my head in a toilet, and my face was picked up and suddenly someone was making out with me. at the time, i was so stupid fucking drunk natural reaction kicked in and i figured "welp this is happening i guess" and i started responding. i was literally lead to a bedroom and thrown on a bed. now, classic constructions would tell me "ha ha hey! great job buddy!" except that's not how it felt the next day [I]at all[/I]. i felt like hell, i felt ashamed, and felt disgusted with myself. (guess what those are symptoms of???) and even now to this day, i'm blaming myself and asking myself if it really was "rape" - was it? was it that or was it sexual assault? was it just a drunken mistake? and i keep going back to that moment where my head was in a toilet; i wasn't going fucking anywhere. and someone came along and pulled my head out of it and started making out with my face. and with that realization: yeah, it's definitely sexual assault. the reason everyone gets so fucking up in arms about this is because they feel like what is considered normal social behaviour is no longer being seen as okay. well that's because now we're starting to have a better, and more empathetic understanding of what those instances mean. there have been so many times when drunk women are just passed off with people saying "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS WOW" - I've lived that shit; I've been harassed over that shit. I, and many others, wasn't in a state of mind where I possibly could have done anything else. consent is a very personal thing. what defines the difference between consensual sex and non-consensual sex is entirely up to the individual; as such, it's up to all parties involved to maximize the security of the situation by being SURE that they're protecting others (by not raping them) and protecting themselves (by not raping anyone).
As well said by BrickInHead, the spirit of the law wasn't written about women who have had a bit to drink and men who have had a bit to drink who then go and fuck. It was written to address the incredibly real problem of people who are completely fucking smashed (when they're totally out of it) and other people who have only had less to drink come along and take advantage of the fact they're completely fucking smashed. I have a friend facing multiple aggravated sexual assault charges for sleeping with a girl who was completely wasted. It happened because he was helping her home and "helped her into the toilet". I won't give all the details since the rest are irrelevant. Even if he's telling the truth, the fact that she was that gone should have been a "dude what am I doing, she's too drunk". He knew he shouldn't of, and I'd told him literally dozens of times that he can't do that stuff - but because of a lack of reporting and social acceptance he thought "fuck it, it won't happen to me". The scary thing about the whole situation is that not only does he genuinely not see anything wrong with what he did - but people around me and him, our friends, agree with him. It didn't matter that she was falling in and out of conciousness, because at the time she didn't say no. Furthermore, he found out from mutual friends that she was "posting normally on facebook and posted a status the other day about how she was happy about something", which demonstrates that "she's totally fine".
[QUOTE=shauntp;45039194]it's vitally important we have no-drunk-sex laws.[/QUOTE] What? If you mean laws that make sex illegal when alcohol is involved, that's ridiculous. If you mean it in a different way, feel free to clarify of course.
[QUOTE=Matt2468rv;45040553]What? If you mean laws that make sex illegal when alcohol is involved, that's ridiculous. If you mean it in a different way, feel free to clarify of course.[/QUOTE] I came into this thread after just having a fury-filled argument about him, wasn't really thinking about what I was writing. What I think I meant was regardless of if you think it's just "women changing their mind" or not, the law still needs to be there so that when people are, like the girl in my anecdote or BrickInHead are like they are it's covered as sexual assault without too larger grey area. I completely agree it's ridiculous to make sex after consuming alcohol illegal and I'm sorry about any confusion (I removed the line as well).
[QUOTE=Jackald;45032745]Okay, i know everyone's going to be very angry about this, but i think what he was getting at was the following kind of situation: You go to a nightclub, everyone's drunk, a girl is all over you, you flirt, you go "hey, want to go back to mine" or something, she agrees, then you have sex, maybe she passes out or something or she, in her drunken state, thought you meant go back to yours for mario kart or some shit, i don't know, and then due to drunkenness, nobody really knows what's going on. Then later, when everyone's sober, both parties realize the error of their ways. A lot of a rapes happen like this due to the influence of drugs and alcohol. I'm thinking he's referring to stuff like that, not shit like "HEY YOU, TAKE YOUR PANTS OFF" in a dark alley at knifepoint.[/QUOTE] Incredible how you managed to use the statements of a politician minimizing issues from a country notorious for its issues with rape in order to rationalise some strange situation where a person "accidentally" had sex with someone because they thought they'd be playing "mario kart or some shit". I've seen people be banned for memes.
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