• Apparently, civilization will collapse soon.
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[QUOTE=Swebonny;44259106]It's a paper from 2012. I haven't really read it.[/QUOTE] Have you considered a career in journalism?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44258943]Yeah go and outright deny it, it's not like there are actual hard and quite obvious maths as well as historical analysis supporting it. Just go on with your life and make a big dumb surprised face once you won't be able to afford a loaf of bread, presuming there will be any available in fifty mile radius. This isn't some panicky tabloid opinion articles. This is stuff institutions like NASA works on and all can agree on "this shit is going to be bad".[/QUOTE] Ya, ok, I forgot that humans have never been able to alter the course of history before, and we are actually physically incapable of preventing this "collapse" from happening. Fearmongering is dumb and serves literally no purpose at all. Unless we were to somehow literally do nothing in the way of progress over the next couple decades, no collapse is going to happen.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44259290]The end of available oil is going to hit us harder than anything else in history if we don't make any effort to avoid it. No food, no power, no internet, no transportation. All of society will come to a screeching halt, there will be food riots, civil unrest on an unprecedented scale, maybe even resource wars if we're stupid enough. That's what "green" parties and scientists are trying to prevent, but we're too concerned with money to listen.[/QUOTE] I don't think Internet is going to take such a huge hit, perhaps with severe decrease of global throughput and increase of latency. The infrastructure is massively inflated right now and could work on completely minuscule amount of energy compared to transportation, various production, or even just lighting in cities. And end user devices like cellphones are already adapting to low energy operation for ages to keep the battery life convenient so you can charge them with a handcrank or a solar cell if you want. No food, and transportation, sure tho, that WILL suck.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44259290]The end of available oil is going to hit us harder than anything else in history if we don't make any effort to avoid it. No food, no power, no internet, no transportation. All of society will come to a screeching halt, there will be food riots, civil unrest on an unprecedented scale, maybe even resource wars if we're stupid enough. That's what "green" parties and scientists are trying to prevent, but we're too concerned with money to listen.[/QUOTE] The cost of extracting oil will overrun us way before the amount runs out. Once it stops being cheap, we'll get the finger out of our arse.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44259290]The end of available oil is going to hit us harder than anything else in history if we don't make any effort to avoid it. No food, no power, no internet, no transportation. All of society will come to a screeching halt, there will be food riots, civil unrest on an unprecedented scale, maybe even resource wars if we're stupid enough. That's what "green" parties and scientists are trying to prevent, but we're too concerned with money to listen.[/QUOTE] the free market will save humanity :v:
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44259409]the free market will save humanity :v:[/QUOTE] You know, free market is actually a big part of what got us into this, honestly. Free market is awful at taking precautions. It's purely reactionary, integrative. It has very hard time properly reacting to predictions.
How tragic would it be if there was a World War 3 started over lack of resource, an economic collapse, and some sort of pandemic all at the same time? We all know the end is neigh, or at least everything is going to go downhill from this point in time. The elite don't care about sustainability.
[QUOTE=seano12;44259510]How tragic would it be if there was a World War 3 started over lack of resource, an economic collapse, and some sort of pandemic all at the same time? We all know the end is neigh, or at least everything is going to go downhill from this point in time. The elite don't care about sustainability.[/QUOTE] Not very tragic if there's no resources available to fuel the war in the first place.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;44259536]Not very tragic if there's no resources available to fuel the war in the first place.[/QUOTE] You would be surprised how hard can people still hit with sticks even when somewhat malnourished.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;44259536]Not very tragic if there's no resources available to fuel the war in the first place.[/QUOTE] There would be enough government oil reserves to fight it for awhile.
save us o God Emperor
[QUOTE=KamenMoore;44259082]Bring out the gasmasks, boys.[/QUOTE] Where do you think you're posting?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44258909]Yeah, this has been projected for quite a while. What a future to look towards to.[/QUOTE] Yea it's funny that i think that 40k is one of the positive outcomes.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;44259106] How [b]media[b/] managed to get it from "A Minimal Model for Human and Nature Interaction" to "Nasa-funded study warns of ‘collapse of civilisation’ in coming decades", I have no idea about. [/QUOTE] That explains it pretty well [editline]16th March 2014[/editline] I cant edit my post but you get the idea I guess
[QUOTE=FPSMango;44259138]Ironically when you compare the average facepunchers wealth to that of the most poor I'm pretty sure a lot of us could be considered part of the "elite"[/QUOTE] When you take it that way everyone who has been lucky enough to have been born in any western country including the not "that" good ones are way better off than everyone else.
[QUOTE=_Kent_;44259094]I suppose its time to stock up on canned food and guns then.[/QUOTE] I don't need canned food. I live one hour away from fertile land. Beat that
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44259093]i always wear mine when posting[/QUOTE] so that's the secret to good posts if only I bought a gasmask thirty thousand posts ago...
[QUOTE=FPSMango;44259138]Ironically when you compare the average facepunchers wealth to that of the most poor I'm pretty sure a lot of us could be considered part of the "elite"[/QUOTE] No the elite are those who control most of the world's wealth... mostly through banking.
[QUOTE=Angua;44259737]Yea it's funny that i think that 40k is one of the positive outcomes.[/QUOTE] alien football hooligans will be humanity's greatest annoyance. the intergalactic blood bowl tournament in the 41st Millennium will be definitely interesting. :v:
[QUOTE=Joazzz;44259635]save us o God Emperor[/QUOTE] I always wonder if shit really hits the fan and some God Emperor-type guy does reveal himself. That'd be something.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;44259893]I always wonder if shit really hits the fan and some God Emperor-type guy does reveal himself. That'd be something.[/QUOTE]we will hail Elon Musk as the avatar of the Machine God
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;44259374]Ya, ok, I forgot that humans have never been able to alter the course of history before, and we are actually physically incapable of preventing this "collapse" from happening. Fearmongering is dumb and serves literally no purpose at all. Unless we were to somehow literally do nothing in the way of progress over the next couple decades, no collapse is going to happen.[/QUOTE] Problem is that the difference between "nothing is done" and "everything possible is done" it's difference between "most people gonna die" and "considerable amount of people gonna die and the conditions the rest will live in won't recover within their lifetime". There's no "everything will be tip top" possibility. It just does not exist.
na, we are only a few decades of progress away from unlocking the vast mineralogical resources of space, asteroid mining sounds like a pipe dream like moonbases, but unlike moonbases the money is there
[QUOTE=Joazzz;44260012]we will hail Elon Musk as the avatar of the Machine God[/QUOTE] Aww void dragon was way cooler.
there is no "business as usual" in industry anymore, everyone is pushing forward looking at all possibilities, China is even starting to realise this and has noticeably started shifting from a pure industry and manufacturing based economy with no environmental concerns to one of a more sustainable nature, India is leapfrogging industrial development because of over regulations and you see more small industry and services there. the biggest problem in the 21st century will be Africa besides global warming, they are in many ways living a hundred years in the past in many places
[QUOTE=Sableye;44260127]there is no "business as usual" in industry anymore, everyone is pushing forward looking at all possibilities, China is even starting to realise this and has noticeably started shifting from a pure industry and manufacturing based economy with no environmental concerns to one of a more sustainable nature, India is leapfrogging industrial development because of over regulations and you see more small industry and services there. the biggest problem in the 21st century will be Africa besides global warming, they are in many ways living a hundred years in the past in many places[/QUOTE] That's why China is investing in Africa correct?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44259251]Good thing to answer when your passenger is starting to freak out because you are about to drive the car off the end of an unfinished bridge.[/QUOTE] You're trying really hard to make something out of this
It has happened for every other great civilisation. Egyptians, Romans, Chinese, all those kinds. It was only a matter of time until the western world collapses. It's someone else's turn to lead.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44259033]It's kinda hard to do space exploration when the society collapses and reverts 100 years back socially and economically so it's kinda in NASAs indirect but important interest to try to keep it from happening.[/QUOTE] To be honest, one of the civilisation collapses they mentioned isn't a civilisation collapse at all really, but more of a shift. (the roman one being a great example). Where you didn't really have a collapse of civilisation so to speak, but it took a very different form, fairly quickly.
Really annoys me when people from the physical sciences feel entitled to go on an ego trip and take up the role of social scientist or historian. Just because you happened to notice that both X and Y empire fell doesn't entitle you to construct a model based on it that completely excludes social, cultural and ideological motives. "the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among the Masses that eventually causes the collapse of society”. pfft
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