• US Military Soldiers made to wear "Post Pregnancy Girth Strap on" to help empathize with Fem-Soldier
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[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;34846392]being a corpsman I think I know what I'm talking about when I talk about the expectations of gunny and sergeant when it comes to medical. But yes you're right, that is not how limbs heal.[/QUOTE] Gunny is such a stupid word. Anyway, you're acting like broken limbs can be recovered from with ease. Doesn't work that way.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34847017]Gunny is such a stupid word. Anyway, you're acting like broken limbs can be recovered from with ease. Doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE] Thank you for informing me. After learning how to splint injuries, the A&P course, and treating patients for shock they must have left that out. That is not what I'm saying at all, actually what I'm saying is congruent with you. Just look behind the words.
Your point is pretty god damn thin. Seems like you're defending Jemimah for the sake of defending him
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34847017]Gunny is such a stupid word. Anyway, you're acting like broken limbs can be recovered from with ease. Doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE] I'm the Platoon Sargent for the medical hold platoon in my squadron. I currently have 3 people with broken tibia, 1 with a broken femur and torn miniscous, 1 with a ruptured Achilles, 2 pregnant, and a dozen others with blown ear drums and knee/joint injury. No you don't heal over night, just like you don't have a baby the instant you become pregnant, but as soon as you're fit for duty your ass is on the PT field regardless.
[QUOTE=Contag;34840060]Because she'd never be in the infantry because she wasn't fucking stupid?[/QUOTE] So anyone who joins the infantry is stupid now? And no..because she's politically correct on a new, flamboyantly obnoxious level of political correctnes. No offense to her..but yeah...LOL... [editline]24th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34850229]I'm the Platoon Sargent for the medical hold platoon in my squadron. I currently have 3 people with broken tibia, 1 with a broken femur and torn miniscous, 1 with a ruptured Achilles, 2 pregnant, and a dozen others with blown ear drums and knee/joint injury. No you don't heal over night, just like you don't have a baby the instant you become pregnant, but as soon as you're fit for duty your ass is on the PT field regardless.[/QUOTE] Hey man..he's a civilian..he obviously knows way more than us dumb, uneducated military dudes.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34850229]No you don't heal over night, just like you don't have a baby the instant you become pregnant, but as soon as you're fit for duty your ass is on the PT field regardless.[/QUOTE] i'm still not getting what you're saying. is PT field the physical therapy field? because that's why they are doing this... i think you're arguing for something just because you have to or it's part of the marine culture or something. did you even read past Post Pregnancy Girth Strap before seeing red in front of you? i mean this is what it looks like: A bunch of military dudes are pissed off because 14 NCO's attended a three-day class that teaches them to serve as fitness instructors for pregnant soldiers and new mothers. [b]this is your american tax-payer speaking, i am your boss, please exit the facepunch and go fight some terrorists.[/b]
[quote]can better understand how pregnant soldiers feel during physical training[/quote] What the fuck are they doing training during pregnancy anyway?
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;34850837]So anyone who joins the infantry is stupid now?[/quote] Kinda, yeah. [quote]And no..because she's politically correct on a new, flamboyantly obnoxious level of political correctnes. No offense to her..but yeah...LOL...[/quote] PC IS OUT OF CONTROL I TELLS YOU. I know because Glenn Beck has telled me so. [quote]Hey man..he's a civilian..he obviously knows way more than us dumb, uneducated military dudes.[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware pregnancy and broken limbs were military issues only. And you are being pretty pretentious about your military job. Please don't turn into Jimmema and constantly tell us you're in the military and constantly tell us to respect you for it. And what's with the excessive use of incomplete ellipses? [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34850229]I'm the Platoon Sargent for the medical hold platoon in my squadron. I currently have 3 people with broken tibia, 1 with a broken femur and torn miniscous, 1 with a ruptured Achilles, 2 pregnant, and a dozen others with blown ear drums and knee/joint injury. No you don't heal over night, just like you don't have a baby the instant you become pregnant, but as soon as you're fit for duty your ass is on the PT field regardless.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty much going to mirror what thisispain said and say I have no fucking idea what you're even arguing.
[QUOTE=Clunj;34854662]What the fuck are they doing training during pregnancy anyway?[/QUOTE] To stay in shape and have a healthy baby. In the military PT literally means excercising. Pregnant women have been faring well in the military for the past forever, this training in my opinion is money wasted. It doesnt sound like a lot of money but most things the military does are expensive. The money could be allocated elsewhere. Also broken limbs don't heal overnight, we know this. Senior leadership expects this to be the case. They want boots on the ground as soon as possible.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34854340]i'm still not getting what you're saying. is PT field the physical therapy field? because that's why they are doing this... i think you're arguing for something just because you have to or it's part of the marine culture or something. did you even read past Post Pregnancy Girth Strap before seeing red in front of you? i mean this is what it looks like: A bunch of military dudes are pissed off because 14 NCO's attended a three-day class that teaches them to serve as fitness instructors for pregnant soldiers and new mothers. [b]this is your american tax-payer speaking, i am your boss, please exit the facepunch and go fight some terrorists.[/b][/QUOTE] My argument is that they army is spending money to train instructors (more than 14 I might add, the programs been going on since 08') to better handle post pregnancy women, which in my opinion is unnecessary. To lose weight you're going to end up doing the same thing as what everyone else does, PT. There's no need to provide special treatment and extra training for someone who just had a child, they get plenty of that while they're pregnant.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34855261]There's no need to provide special treatment and extra training for someone who just had a child, they get plenty of that while they're pregnant.[/QUOTE] okay i can see that you still aren't actually understanding the concepts that are expressed here. the training is for the [u]trainers[/u] not the pregnant women. in your opinion it might be unnecessary but you really can't medically treat pregnant women and postpartum women the same way as other people. that's just being shitty and that's the med student in me saying that. i mean i don't really give a fuck if it means that soldiers get better treatment. yeah i still don't know what your beef is. pretty sure it still stems from that caveman-like marine boasting shit from earlier. good job you're a marine and you don't need no fancy girth straps that's nice
[QUOTE=thisispain;34855362]okay i can see that you still aren't actually understanding the concepts that are expressed here. the training is for the [u]trainers[/u] not the pregnant women. in your opinion it might be unnecessary but you really can't medically treat pregnant women and postpartum women the same way as other people. that's just being shitty and that's the med student in me saying that. i mean i don't really give a fuck if it means that soldiers get better treatment. yeah i still don't know what your beef is. pretty sure it still stems from that caveman-like marine boasting shit from earlier. good job you're a marine and you don't need no fancy girth straps that's nice[/QUOTE] What I'm saying is the trainers don't need the training. PT is PT one way or another, we don't make the DI's wear fat suits because there's a few bacon stripes in the platoon. Yes it's harder, but we don't need to spend money to show instructors that it is harder. Most of them already know that. The program is designed to let the instructors empathize with pregnant and post pregnancy women, which isn't needed.
but under what authority do you say that? when the article itself states the benefits of the training it's extremely difficult to see how you can say it's not necessary. unless you have clear proof that contradicts the article that is... but you don't
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;34850837]So anyone who joins the infantry is stupid now? [/QUOTE] At the moment with the American military, absolutely.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34855492]but under what authority do you say that? when the article itself states the benefits of the training it's extremely difficult to see how you can say it's not necessary. unless you have clear proof that contradicts the article that is... but you don't[/QUOTE] The proof is all of the pregnant women who went back to full duty before this was in the army, as well as the women in other branches. Women have been able to adapt and overcome before it, and plenty are still doing it now without it.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34855532]The proof is all of the pregnant women who went back to full duty before this was in the army, as well as the women in other branches. Women have been able to adapt and overcome before it, and plenty are still doing it now without it.[/QUOTE] yeah but that's like saying plenty of people survived gun shots before modern medicine, ergo modern medicine is not needed.
[quote]An Army study showed significant Army physical fitness test failures, height/weight failures, and [B]increased injury and illness rates [/B]when active-duty soldiers who don’t take part in physical exercise during pregnancy return to their unit, according to the fact sheet.[/quote] I assume that the military takes the cost of treating injury and illness, and still pays you?
[QUOTE=thisispain;34855555]yeah but that's like saying plenty of people survived gun shots before modern medicine, ergo modern medicine is not needed.[/QUOTE] No it's not, those are two completely different things. If we we're to base this using your argument it would be like shooting the doctor and having another doctor remove the bullet so they know what its like to get shot and go into surgery to better understand what the patient is going through. [editline]24th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Contag;34855621]I assume that the military takes the cost of treating injury and illness, and still pays you?[/QUOTE] That's why women PT when they're pregnant, it doesn't take special training to do that.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34855532]The proof is all of the pregnant women who went back to full duty before this was in the army, as well as the women in other branches. Women have been able to adapt and overcome before it, and plenty are still doing it now without it.[/QUOTE] If you read the article, you'd realize that isn't as much proof as you hope
[QUOTE=Contag;34855638]If you read the article, you'd realize that isn't as much proof as you hope[/QUOTE] From what I read the women who were having issues we're already in the weight reduction program to begin with, on top of them only relying on platoon PT. If you can't PT with the platoon for whatever reason at their capacity, you should have the initiative to PT on your own to compensate for it.
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;34850837]So anyone who joins the infantry is stupid now? And no..because she's politically correct on a new, flamboyantly obnoxious level of political correctnes. No offense to her..but yeah...LOL... [/QUOTE] [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1165681?p=34845311&viewfull=1#post34845311]I've already replied to this.[/url] To reiterate [i]one more time[/i] for those of you who appear to have reading comprehension issues: [QUOTE=devotchkade;34846053] Hate to break it to you, but this is a forum. It's not like I'm in front of the White House threatening self-immolate until people stop using the word 'fem'. I made an off-hand comment, people got angry, and I replied. [/QUOTE] I promise you I'm not nearly making as big a deal about this as you are.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34855395]What I'm saying is the trainers don't need the training. PT is PT one way or another, we don't make the DI's wear fat suits because there's a few bacon stripes in the platoon. Yes it's harder, but we don't need to spend money to show instructors that it is harder. Most of them already know that. The program is designed to let the instructors empathize with pregnant and post pregnancy women, which isn't needed.[/QUOTE] You also don't need to spend money on useless 66 billion dollar jets, but you guys do that anyway. So quit your bitching about a program that spurs a little human empathy. By god the military needs it.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34855745]You also don't need to spend money on useless 66 billion dollar jets, but you guys do that anyway. So quit your bitching about a program that spurs a little human empathy. By god the military needs it.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. For a strong military you need to meet a strong standard. By empathizing with a particular group within the unit you degrade that standard, thus weaken the unit. We're all the same, we deserve as much empathy as the men and women next to us.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34855798]No it doesn't. For a strong military you need to meet a strong standard. By empathizing with a particular group within the unit you degrade that standard, thus weaken the unit. We're all the same, we deserve as much empathy as the men and women next to us.[/QUOTE] The empathy is for a physical standard towards women. This isn't some pro-woman shitfest that alienates men. Pregnancy is a tangible thing that men cannot experience, so physical empathy training is a good thing.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34855829]The empathy is for a physical standard towards women. This isn't some pro-woman shitfest that alienates men. Pregnancy is a tangible thing that men cannot experience, so physical empathy training is a good thing.[/QUOTE] There shouldn't be an empathy for a physical standard. Like I said earlier we don't hold empathy for the fat kids in the platoon, nor the broken guys who just got approved for full out training. For good unit cohesion everyone must be viewed the same. No special treatment or helpful bias for whatever reason. While in practice this is difficult to achieve, it is not hard to help reduce it by removing things such as this; The mentality that the post pregnancy women deserve empathy. Sure they'll get my empathy for all the stress and hardships they have to endure with child birth and all, but on the PT field they're just another body working out.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;34837889]No, in the entire world. There is not a single military anywhere that has more female soldiers than male soldiers.[/QUOTE] There are plenty of armed forces where they form a large minority though. See Israel, most former Warsaw Pact countries.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34855931]There shouldn't be an empathy for a physical standard. Like I said earlier we don't hold empathy for the fat kids in the platoon, nor the broken guys who just got approved for full out training. For good unit cohesion everyone must be viewed the same. No special treatment or helpful bias for whatever reason. While in practice this is difficult to achieve, it is not hard to help reduce it by removing things such as this; The mentality that the post pregnancy women deserve empathy. Sure they'll get my empathy for all the stress and hardships they have to endure with child birth and all, but on the PT field they're just another body working out.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously comparing being overweight to pregnancy?
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34855625]it would be like shooting the doctor and having another doctor remove the bullet so they know what its like to get shot and go into surgery to better understand what the patient is going through.[/QUOTE] actually no it would be like pretending to shoot the doctor, not actually shooting the doctor unless you actually think the officers get pregnant as part of their training. and actually you know doctors do that right? it's called a mock diagnosis. we med students to it all the time.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34856336]Are you seriously comparing being overweight to pregnancy?[/QUOTE] In post pregnancy terms as well as physical standards yes I am, because in either case you're going to need to lose the weight.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;34855931] on the PT field they're just another body working out.[/QUOTE] uh no they aren't. you actually have to treat them differently because medically their bodies change. this is what i'm saying, it's medically stupid to treat pregnant and postpartum women the same.
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