• US Military Soldiers made to wear "Post Pregnancy Girth Strap on" to help empathize with Fem-Soldier
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[QUOTE=elowin;34862626]Okay, what if you got kicked in the balls every few minutes? I think that might be worse.[/QUOTE] I think reading your posts is more painful than pregnancy, but that affects men and women equally.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;34862534]Because its like working after you get off of work. In my experience people who carry military bearing after hours are either lame or tools. The military is a 24/7/365 job but you need to have freedom sometime.[/QUOTE] I understand not wanting to be seen as a representative all of the time, but he could refrain from actively making misogynistic comments. Whilst it just so happens that his doing so reflects badly on the military and those who are in it, it also reflects pretty badly on him as a person. I don't think that having to refrain from making atrociously bigoted comments is really that much to ask, given that he's made it clear that he's representing the US, and will be judged as a representative accordingly. It's difficult for people who are in the defense forces to dispel the notion that it is incredibly sexist, and having him make comments like the ones he has made in this thread and the others I quoted only affirms that. You say 'you need to have freedom sometime' - freedom to what? To call women whores, to judge them unfit for duty based solely on their gender, to use gendered words like 'vagina' as derogatory slang terms, and to have no empathy for them? Is that what you call freedom?
[QUOTE=Contag;34860570]wait are you for fucking real? that is far less shit than pregnancy the wounded rate for OIF is about 3,500 per 100,000 soldiers (including those returned to duty in under 72 hours) the postpartum rate for incontinence due to vaginal and anal tearing is around 15,000 per 100,000 another 20,000-30,000 per 100,000 undergo major surgery hell even the PTSD rate for pregnancy is about 6,000 per 100,000 childbirth is profoundly horrific [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] but in the only combat zones the US is involved in (with reasonable casualties), it's afternoon is that -5 in Fahrenheit or Celsius? [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] not being issued with what would normally be considered standard (warm protective gear) does fit with the marines though[/QUOTE] I'm talking Fahrenheit. Hell, even here on Fort Campbell it can get that cold at night. Like I said earlier, I'm not a Marine (refer to avatar) but the Army does have the same problem of issuing shitty equipment..especially boots. [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=devotchkade;34862880]I understand not wanting to be seen as a representative all of the time, but he could refrain from actively making misogynistic comments. Whilst it just so happens that his doing so reflects badly on the military and those who are in it, it also reflects pretty badly on him as a person. I don't think that having to refrain from making atrociously bigoted comments is really that much to ask, given that he's made it clear that he's representing the US, and will be judged as a representative accordingly. It's difficult for people who are in the defense forces to dispel the notion that it is incredibly sexist, and having him make comments like the ones he has made in this thread and the others I quoted only affirms that. You say 'you need to have freedom sometime' - freedom to what? To call women whores, to judge them unfit for duty based solely on their gender, to use gendered words like 'vagina' as derogatory slang terms, and to have no empathy for them? Is that what you call freedom?[/QUOTE] Trust me dude...there's a lot worse people in my line of work. If you seriously feel like an infantryman is some sort of evil sexist monster 'cause he used vagina as an insult, you're either some sheltered homeschooler or just think the U.S. Army Infantry..and in particular the Infantry units of the 101st Airborne are just a big cake making/puppy grooming/ basket weaving contest. Oh and BTW..the 101st had our division run yesterday..of all the people that fell out after a mile and a half..Id say about 80% were females. Weather they were out of shape or just had no heart..idk and I really don't care..but who..male or female has any excuse to fall out of a 4 mile run a quarter of the way in? You're probably gonna flip your shit and scream,'sexist' at the top of your lungs. That was just a little observation I made yesterday.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34861511]Pay cheque well spent, he's protecting your freedom, didn't you know?[/QUOTE] Why do you dislike the military so much? Is it the cool and edgy thing to do?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;34863654]Why do you dislike the military so much? Is it the cool and edgy thing to do?[/QUOTE] It's a massive sinkhole of funds composed of ideologically naive 'patriots', people who want job security and people who want to go to college but have to 'earn' it, and generally has the opposite effect of achieving any kind of 'freedom protecting' strategic objectives
[QUOTE=Contag;34863849]It's a massive sinkhole of funds composed of ideologically naive 'patriots', people who want job security and people who want to go to college but have to 'earn' it, and generally has the opposite effect of achieving any kind of 'freedom protecting' strategic objectives[/QUOTE] You forgot guys who believed bullshit commercials and recruiters and thought it'd be fun. I could care less about defending this country man, I just wanted to kill people and party!
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;34863654]Why do you dislike the military so much? Is it the cool and edgy thing to do?[/QUOTE] uh what is there to like? i thought it was one of those necessary evil situations.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;34863654]Why do you dislike the military so much? Is it the cool and edgy thing to do?[/QUOTE] It has the largest budget in history, a majority of it is a massive pit of wasted money. On top of that, the mentality of soldiers annoys the hell out of me, and even then, it's an organisation used to kill people and raise entire countries and cultures to the ground, most of the time for the wrong reasons. Don't worry, I dislike the CIA too, so you're nothing special. I can't really think of anything that good about the military. Perhaps the aid work the military seldom does, that's nice, but it doesn't excuse EVERYTHING else. Why should I respect a soldier? What is he doing other than soaking up tax money for no particular reason. I've heard the word hero thrown around at soldiers, and people thank them for their service. Thank them? for what? oh but i'm just trying to be cool and edgy. [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=EurofanBMW;34864267]You forgot guys who believed bullshit commercials and recruiters and thought it'd be fun. I could care less about defending this country man, I just wanted to kill people and party![/QUOTE] Yeah, InvaderNouga, see this guy for one of the many reasons I dislike the military.
[QUOTE=joes33431;34826892]Give me ONE situation in which your penis has inhibited you in any major way.[/QUOTE] Hot lesbian sex.
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;34863392] Trust me dude...there's a lot worse people in my line of work. If you seriously feel like an infantryman is some sort of evil sexist monster 'cause he used vagina as an insult, you're either some sheltered homeschooler or just think the U.S. Army Infantry..and in particular the Infantry units of the 101st Airborne are just a big cake making/puppy grooming/ basket weaving contest.[/quote] Going to reply anyhow, in case anyone agrees with this guy. I'm well aware that there are a 'lot worse people' in the Infantry. But that doesn't excuse what you do. Even if you think it's fine, because, say, you don't rape women and the guys around you do... it's not. You and anyone else who constantly disparages women actively contribute to the culture in women are consistently devalued - which then, in turn, leads to things like raping them. I wasn't saying that you using the term 'vagina' as an insult was the most sexist thing I've ever seen in my life; it certainly was not. But you're wrong if you think it doesn't matter. It does.
[QUOTE=thisispain;34867019]uh what is there to like? i thought it was one of those necessary evil situations.[/QUOTE] um..hello RAILGUNS??? smh don't you realize all these incredibly destructive weapons are REALLY AWESOME AND NEAT since they will never be aimed at me??? smh
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;34863392]I'm talking Fahrenheit. Hell, even here on Fort Campbell it can get that cold at night. Like I said earlier, I'm not a Marine (refer to avatar) but the Army does have the same problem of issuing shitty equipment..especially boots. [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] Trust me dude...there's a lot worse people in my line of work. If you seriously feel like an infantryman is some sort of evil sexist monster 'cause he used vagina as an insult, you're either some sheltered homeschooler or just think the U.S. Army Infantry..and in particular the Infantry units of the 101st Airborne are just a big cake making/puppy grooming/ basket weaving contest. Oh and BTW..the 101st had our division run yesterday..of all the people that fell out after a mile and a half..Id say about 80% were females. Weather they were out of shape or just had no heart..idk and I really don't care..but who..male or female has any excuse to fall out of a 4 mile run a quarter of the way in? You're probably gonna flip your shit and scream,'sexist' at the top of your lungs. That was just a little observation I made yesterday.[/QUOTE] Well the fastest people when I was in track a few years ago were girls so I don't really think there's a connection. They got medals every meet.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;34875060]Well the fastest people when I was in track a few years ago were girls so I don't really think there's a connection. They got medals every meet.[/QUOTE] Track and field is 1-5 events no more than a mile for high school. Army training consists of consecutive events of 1.5 miles, 100 push ups, and 100 sit ups. Marine Corps is even higher with a 3 mile run, 100 crunches, and a flexed arm hang of at least 1 minute (20 pull ups for males). Statistically speaking for the 3 mile run most females score in the 23 minute range, while males are in the 20 minute range.
Wait, we're seriously going to talk about whether girls are good enough at sport or not? Come on.
Why is this thread on 7th page when it should have ended at post #11?
Bitches love sensationalist debate :v:
There are pregnant soldiers? What the fuck?!
[QUOTE=dass;34877037]There are pregnant soldiers? What the fuck?![/QUOTE] Can you people just read the thread or the article already; I'm fairly certain this was answered on the first page.
[QUOTE=devotchkade;34872905]Going to reply anyhow, in case anyone agrees with this guy. I'm well aware that there are a 'lot worse people' in the Infantry. But that doesn't excuse what you do. Even if you think it's fine, because, say, you don't rape women and the guys around you do... it's not. You and anyone else who constantly disparages women actively contribute to the culture in women are consistently devalued - which then, in turn, leads to things like raping them. I wasn't saying that you using the term 'vagina' as an insult was the most sexist thing I've ever seen in my life; it certainly was not. But you're wrong if you think it doesn't matter. It does.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry..but it really doesn't make you sexist if you say vagina..it just doesn't..and all this "you said women don't belong in the infantry therefore you contribute to sexism and ultimately rape" bullshit is ridiculous and worthy of epic facepalming. Hell..I even asked my girlfriend (who is feminist as FUCK) if using pussy as an insult towards the weak hearted was sexist and her exact reply was, "Jesus Christ..what kind of spineless retard would say that". So there you have it..from the mouth of my feminine ass girlfriend herself.
First, lovely bump, second, you're a misogynist. it's clear in how you speak of women.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34981226]First, lovely bump, second, you're a misogynist. it's clear in how you speak of women.[/QUOTE] No..I assure you...I'm not.
Yeah, you're a real ladies man [QUOTE=devotchkade;34860161]No, not because you disagree with the proposal. I think it's a fair conclusion from all of your posts in this thread. Edit: Oh, and other threads like [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1162397?p=34741638&viewfull=1#post34741638]this one[/url]: I apologize in advance if you're actually gay, and the [i]whore[/i] in question is male - although I doubt it. I know I certainly show my respect to women by calling them whores. Or maybe [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1147323?p=34722424&highlight=#post34722424]this one[/url]: Or [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1162728?p=34730398&highlight=#post34685954]this one[/url]: [/quote]
I Practically laugh at this desicion of the US Army, Is it really needed? do you really need to explain why not females are NOT allowed in the military, especially pregnant ones when its obvious they should be sent home? Well atleast females that ARENT pregnant should be allowed, you get what im trying to say.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34983010]Yeah, you're a real ladies man[/QUOTE] Not every lady is some PC elitist. My wonderful girlfriend is proof of this.
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;34997472]Not every lady is some PC elitist. My wonderful girlfriend is proof of this.[/QUOTE] Okay boyo, this isn't some black and white thing. Just because you have a girlfriend who isn't Politically Correct, doesn't mean it's okay to treat women like shit. This isn't some "oh, I know someone who doesn't mind, may as well talk about how inferior women are" You are a sexist plain and fucking simple, you are not EXEMPT from being sexist, nor is it excusable anywhere else. This is the 21st century. However, judging by your "I'm just the US' killing machine" and "Women are shit compared to me" mentality, you're still stuck around the dark ages. And let me point out that I'm not being "PC" about this, this is just being a decent fucking human being. And honestly, there's a difference between not being offended easily, and being okay with someone being a stark raving twat, YOU have crossed that line. So if your girlfriend is okay with the word 'bitch' or 'cunt' like some easily offended females are, that's fine - I'm with her on that. However, if she's okay with you being a complete tosspot towards females in general and desperately trying to exert your superiority over them, she's a complete fucking idiot and frankly you two work wonderful together. If I went on a racist tirade about black people, called them niggers, said they were shit, but then tried to excuse it with "Oh I once met a black person who didn't care", would it be justified? No. This is exactly the same thing you are doing here.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35000508]Okay boyo, this isn't some black and white thing. Just because you have a girlfriend who isn't Politically Correct, doesn't mean it's okay to treat women like shit. This isn't some "oh, I know someone who doesn't mind, may as well talk about how inferior women are" You are a sexist plain and fucking simple, you are not EXEMPT from being sexist, nor is it excusable anywhere else. This is the 21st century. However, judging by your "I'm just the US' killing machine" and "Women are shit compared to me" mentality, you're still stuck around the dark ages. And let me point out that I'm not being "PC" about this, this is just being a decent fucking human being. And honestly, there's a difference between not being offended easily, and being okay with someone being a stark raving twat, YOU have crossed that line. So if your girlfriend is okay with the word 'bitch' or 'cunt' like some easily offended females are, that's fine - I'm with her on that. However, if she's okay with you being a complete tosspot towards females in general and desperately trying to exert your superiority over them, she's a complete fucking idiot and frankly you two work wonderful together. If I went on a racist tirade about black people, called them niggers, said they were shit, but then tried to excuse it with "Oh I once met a black person who didn't care", would it be justified? No. This is exactly the same thing you are doing here.[/QUOTE] Oh Jesus Christ lady, sit down and smoke a J, man. I know your reply to this is going to be something along the lines of, " DERP! you're a fucking nazi communist baby killing imperialistic war mongering nationalist Bible thumping woman hating sexist asshole cocksicking motherfucking DOUCHE BAG!". But I really don't care..the simple fact of the matter is most women wouldn't be able to handle the infantry. I'm sure there are a shit ton of women that are tougher than my own platoon sergeant..but I've never met one. I've never treated a single woman like shit in my lifetime. Maybe I said a few bad things to my mom cause I was upset about her robbing m childhood by homeschooling me. Other than that..ask any girl that knew me..I'm a gentleman...with the mouth of an infantryman. Why don't you try having an intellectual conversation with me on something other than women's rights. Its an honest offer because I believe you're being extremely judgemental and honestly wouldn't mind finding out your views on other, more important things.
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;35002869]Oh Jesus Christ lady, sit down and smoke a J, man.[/quote] What is with this mentality that if you curse, you're foaming at the mouth angry. If I were to judge your mood by the way you post, then I'd assume you've been lobotomised. although that's kind of accurate. and in a way, you are quite an infuriatingly bad excuse for a human being, so maybe there's some validity to what you said. I also like the subconscious misogyny there; I defend women, THEREFORE I must be a female. I'm afraid not, you see, unlike you, I'm a male who has more than negative respect for females. [quote]I know your reply to this is going to be something along the lines of, " DERP! you're a fucking nazi communist baby killing imperialistic war mongering nationalist Bible thumping woman hating sexist asshole cocksicking motherfucking DOUCHE BAG!".[/quote] What is cocksicking? I'm not sure what the hell you're on about with the other stuff, seems like you just had a spasm and decided to type shit down for no real reason. [quote]But I really don't care..[/quote] Well I'm glad you don't care about that argument you made for me before I even responded to it. [quote]the simple fact of the matter is most women wouldn't be able to handle the infantry.[/quote] Uh, they can handle it. Females have acted as foot soldiers since civilisation first formed. For more modern military? The entire history of the Russian military can dispute that. There is no evidence that states they can't. At the ease it would take me to pull out evidence that oceans are damp, I can show you females can serve in combat and murder their fellow man because the government tells them too. [quote]I'm sure there are a shit ton of women that are tougher than my own platoon sergeant..but I've never met one.[/quote] Okay, so wait a second, you've never seen it personally, therefore they don't exist, however you're sure they do exist. You are the bastion of double thinking to the point where your point becomes a shitstorm [quote]I've never treated a single woman like shit in my lifetime.[/quote] The way you talk about women is along the lines of wife beaters. [quote]Maybe I said a few bad things to my mom cause I was upset about her robbing m childhood by homeschooling me.[/quote] [quote] Other than that..ask any girl that knew me..I'm a gentleman...with the mouth of an infantryman.[/quote] A gentleman? Oh yeah, let me go take a quick glance at those comments Devotchkade compiled. You're a regular Humphrey Bogart. And mouth of an infantryman? Is that somehow supposed to prove to me otherwise? "Oh I got the vocabulary of an uneducated drunk frat boy who enjoys killing people". Yeah, that makes me feel better. [quote]Why don't you try having an intellectual conversation with me on something other than women's rights. Its an honest offer because I believe you're being extremely judgemental and honestly wouldn't mind finding out your views on other, more important things.[/QUOTE] I'm responding to what you say. You want to bring up another topics, go right the fuck ahead, I will follow the flow because I have a compulsive need to argue. And women's rights aren't more important? Sorry, what? [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Okay, to be fair, most of my post consists of making fun of you, because your weak argument got mixed in with you defending your shit personality. So if you want to bring the argument back up to speed, go ahead.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35003179]What is with this mentality that if you curse, you're foaming at the mouth angry. If I were to judge your mood by the way you post, then I'd assume you've been lobotomised. although that's kind of accurate. and in a way, you are quite an infuriatingly bad excuse for a human being, so maybe there's some validity to what you said. I also like the subconscious misogyny there; I defend women, THEREFORE I must be a female. I'm afraid not, you see, unlike you, I'm a male who has more than negative respect for females. What is cocksicking? I'm not sure what the hell you're on about with the other stuff, seems like you just had a spasm and decided to type shit down for no real reason. Well I'm glad you don't care about that argument you made for me before I even responded to it. Uh, they can handle it. Females have acted as foot soldiers since civilisation first formed. For more modern military? The entire history of the Russian military can dispute that. There is no evidence that states they can't. At the ease it would take me to pull out evidence that oceans are damp, I can show you females can serve in combat and murder their fellow man because the government tells them too. Okay, so wait a second, you've never seen it personally, therefore they don't exist, however you're sure they do exist. You are the bastion of double thinking to the point where your point becomes a shitstorm The way you talk about women is along the lines of wife beaters. A gentleman? Oh yeah, let me go take a quick glance at those comments Devotchkade compiled. You're a regular Humphrey Bogart. And mouth of an infantryman? Is that somehow supposed to prove to me otherwise? "Oh I got the vocabulary of an uneducated drunk frat boy who enjoys killing people". Yeah, that makes me feel better. I'm responding to what you say. You want to bring up another topics, go right the fuck ahead, I will follow the flow because I have a compulsive need to argue. And women's rights aren't more important? Sorry, what? [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Okay, to be fair, most of my post consists of making fun of you, because your weak argument got mixed in with you defending your shit personality. So if you want to bring the argument back up to speed, go ahead.[/QUOTE] Oh jeeze..I hit a nerve didn't I. [url]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldp3yyI6tu1qb9a2wo1_500.png[/url][\img][QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35003179]What is with this mentality that if you curse, you're foaming at the mouth angry. If I were to judge your mood by the way you post, then I'd assume you've been lobotomised. although that's kind of accurate. and in a way, you are quite an infuriatingly bad excuse for a human being, so maybe there's some validity to what you said. I also like the subconscious misogyny there; I defend women, THEREFORE I must be a female. I'm afraid not, you see, unlike you, I'm a male who has more than negative respect for females. What is cocksicking? I'm not sure what the hell you're on about with the other stuff, seems like you just had a spasm and decided to type shit down for no real reason. Well I'm glad you don't care about that argument you made for me before I even responded to it. Uh, they can handle it. Females have acted as foot soldiers since civilisation first formed. For more modern military? The entire history of the Russian military can dispute that. There is no evidence that states they can't. At the ease it would take me to pull out evidence that oceans are damp, I can show you females can serve in combat and murder their fellow man because the government tells them too. Okay, so wait a second, you've never seen it personally, therefore they don't exist, however you're sure they do exist. You are the bastion of double thinking to the point where your point becomes a shitstorm The way you talk about women is along the lines of wife beaters. A gentleman? Oh yeah, let me go take a quick glance at those comments Devotchkade compiled. You're a regular Humphrey Bogart. And mouth of an infantryman? Is that somehow supposed to prove to me otherwise? "Oh I got the vocabulary of an uneducated drunk frat boy who enjoys killing people". Yeah, that makes me feel better. I'm responding to what you say. You want to bring up another topics, go right the fuck ahead, I will follow the flow because I have a compulsive need to argue. And women's rights aren't more important? Sorry, what? [editline]5th March 2012[/editline] Okay, to be fair, most of my post consists of making fun of you, because your weak argument got mixed in with you defending your shit personality. So if you want to bring the argument back up to speed, go ahead.[/QUOTE] Oh jeeze..I hit a nerve didn't I. [Img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldp3yyI6tu1qb9a2wo1_500.png[/img] I'm really not even gonna take the time to respond to that whiney bitchy clusterfuck of words. I'm trying to watch natural born killers and you're being a whiney elitist prick. Oh..and the militaries you referenced that had women infantryman didn't operate like a fucking retarded frat house like the US Army does. Spend a day in my world and then run your mouth. Oh..and I assumed you were a woman because of your avatar BTW. Comparing my words to being a wife beater...yeah, you've gotta be fucking trolling me. But no! Alas! You caught my "cocksicking" typo! You have defeated me! Never again shall I attempt to post from my android! [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Went right back to the thread he got his final warning in to continue flaming and trolling." - postal))[/highlight]
Israel is enough evidence that women can handle infantry. And you can't just say most women aren't tough enough. Most people can't handle it until they've gone through the whole change of enlisting etc.
^ actually brings a good point.
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