• Israeli forces shoot, kill 12-year-old Palestinian boy near Hebron
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[QUOTE=Monkah;45683382]Sgman91 definitely has a point when he says that the article makes it sound as if it's plain murder. Honestly, judging by the first two paragraphs-- which is all most people even read-- one would easily be led to assume that the events here are plain murder.[/QUOTE] Sounds like a description of events [editline]14th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Monkah;45683382]edit: In 2013 alone, around 116 people were injured due to Palestinian rock-throwing. It's not harmless-- especially when we're talking the heavier and sharper ones.[/QUOTE] lmao what kind of hamfisted justification is this
Rock throwing: The Worlds Most Dangerous Act. "Sir! A group of foreigners threw rocks at a tank!" "Dear god... Get the president, we need to go to Defcon 1!" Starring Bruce Willis.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45681795]i didn't say it was acceptable point is that the news reporting on this conflict is full of bias, and the OP is painting it as being israelis being monsters as usual[/QUOTE] you're pretty biased when an israeli soldier can shoot a 12 year old child in the back and you don't consider them to be monsters
[QUOTE=Pawnstick;45683468]you're pretty biased when an israeli soldiers can shoot a 12 year old child in the back and you don't consider them to be monsters[/QUOTE] making them out to be monsters gets us nowhere so they shoot innocent children for the heck of it? i find that hard to believe. i think the israeli army is more incompetent than evil when it comes to this
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45683560]making them out to be monsters gets us nowhere so they shoot innocent children for the heck of it? i find that hard to believe. i think the israeli army is more incompetent than evil when it comes to this[/QUOTE] They're just evil. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Darweesh_Al_Hams[/url]
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45683560]making them out to be monsters gets us nowhere so they shoot innocent children for the heck of it? i find that hard to believe. i think the israeli army is more incompetent than evil when it comes to this[/QUOTE] Monsters is probably going a bit far, but you can't say they aren't reckless when they're engaging potential "combatants" as they know nothing will happen to them. Everyone in the world condemns their actions but it doesn't mean anything. America is prime example of that, how dare you Israel! Here's 220 million dollars for the Iron Dome. Awful what happened to the boy but not surprised in the slightest. Sad that Palestinians are valued less than people.
[QUOTE=Glue Factory;45683861]Sad that Palestinians are valued less than people.[/QUOTE] something seems off about how this is written
[QUOTE=Gentry;45683308]You don't know its a violent riot though you're just taking the IDF PR departments spin on it as fact.[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying that we don't know what really happened and to assume anything is idiotic. I gave two opposite reasons, one from each side. Hell, for all I know a soldier might have shot the kid for no reason, but we simply don't know. I'm NOT claiming that the kid was simply a tragic casualty in a defensive military action, but that that is very different from being straight up murder and to say that it doesn't matter is simply amoral.
[QUOTE=sgman91;45684250]No, I'm saying that we don't know what really happened and to assume anything is idiotic. I gave two opposite reasons, one from each side. Hell, for all I know a soldier might have shot the kid for no reason, but we simply don't know. I'm NOT claiming that the kid was simply a tragic casualty in a defensive military action, but that that is very different from being straight up murder and to say that it doesn't matter is simply amoral.[/QUOTE] Nobody's saying it doesn't matter. His words were 'it's a tragedy either way'. That doesn't mean 'The IDF has done a terrible thing either way'. He means the kid's family and friends who now have to deal with the fact that, however it happened, he is now dead. This is a difficult subject for me, as reading about the Troubles in Northern Ireland has really made me see the parallels. And whilst this might not be Bloody Sunday levels, it's clear that, at the very least, the IDF has made some extremely poorly-informed decisions, and the sheer frequency of those poor decisions suggests that, on some level, they may be intentional. And you're right, we just don't know. But sometimes, you have to make an informed decision. And when hospitals, emergency shelters, schools and other civilian buildings are constantly getting bombed, with the IDF refusing to apologise even once for the tragic loss of life that incurs, you start to get the teensiest bit suspicious.
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