FOX: Majority of Likely Voters Agree 'Socialist' Accurately Describes Obama
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I think we're talking about different sorts of waste though
Im not saying erase welfare. It has a purpose. I'm saying don't let the US become a welfare state like britain
Dont even deny that you are a welfare state
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322028]This. I always laugh at the idiots who buy expensive cars, a large house, and have 8 children then complain how they need welfare because they can't get by.[/QUOTE]
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that out in the real world, instead of in your conservative fantasy land, that there are lots of people who work their asses off but still don't get what they need to get by. It's not always a meritocracy.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322028]Maybe if you can't afford a family don't have one?[/QUOTE]
Those really should be, but they aren't
[QUOTE=kdabr;23322056]Im not saying erase welfare. It has a purpose. I'm saying don't let the US become a welfare state like britain
Dont even deny that you are a welfare state[/QUOTE]
I'm not british, and it isn't a complete welfare state.
[QUOTE=kdabr;23322056]Im not saying erase welfare. It has a purpose. I'm saying don't let the US become a welfare state like britain
Dont even deny that you are a welfare state[/QUOTE]
I like my welfare state.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322028]This. I always laugh at the idiots who buy expensive cars, a large house, and have 8 children then complain how they need welfare because they can't get by.
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Maybe if you can't afford a family don't have one?[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I guess when the condom breaks and abortions cost a cool 5 to 20 grand that makes not having a family possible.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;23242979]You say Republicans are all retarded, further reinforcing the stereotype that liberals are naive elitists.[/QUOTE]
Assuming you're both completely right (which would be an improper assumption), I would rather have elitists running my country then retarded people.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322028]
Maybe if you can't afford a family don't have one?[/QUOTE]
do you really think that it's that simple? Most of the time, the poverty comes after the family. Even if you believe in this bullshit "poor people are just lazy" myth, we as a society still have a responsibility to look out for the children because that's what a civilized nation does.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23322059]That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that out in the real world, instead of in your conservative fantasy land, that there are lots of people who work their asses off but still don't get what they need to get by. It's not always a meritocracy.[/QUOTE]
Good. That's what makes people work even harder. Life isn't fair, get over it.
My sister got knocked up by her asshole boyfriend. She then couldn't get an abortion. Then he wouldn't pay child support.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23322114]do you really think that it's that simple? Most of the time, the poverty comes after the family. Even if you believe in this bullshit "poor people are just lazy" myth, we as a society still have a responsibility to look out for the children because that's what a civilized nation does.[/QUOTE]
Poverty comes after the family because they couldn't understand that it costs money to maintain a family. I never said anything about not looking out for the children, the children should be the top priority.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322115]Good. That's what makes people work even harder. Life isn't fair, get over it.[/QUOTE]
So what you're saying is that poor people should grow extra arms and do 2 jobs at once? That if they can't get by working their hardest, they should become super humans and work harder than it is possible to work?
jeeze bro you're really deluded (plus your conservative ideology has stripped you of your god-given empathy)
[QUOTE=Glaber;23242986]Forget them, give it to Obama. He's tanking faster than Carter.[/QUOTE]
At worst, Obama is an average President for failing to correct the problems caused by the previous administration.
does she deserve that fate? Or would it be better for there to be a safety net?
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322152]Poverty comes after the family because they couldn't understand that it costs money to maintain a family. I never said anything about not looking out for the children, the children should be the top priority.[/QUOTE]
well unless the government takes control of all children from parents who don't make enough money, how the hell else do you propose they be supported
[QUOTE=Jewsus;23322158]At worst, Obama is an average President for failing to correct the problems caused by the previous administration.[/QUOTE]
8 years is awfully hard to reverse
honestly, social darwinism is fucking barbaric
anyone who supports it is a neanderthal
Abortions cost 300 bucks bro
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23322156]So what you're saying is that poor people should grow extra arms and do 2 jobs at once? That if they can't get by working their hardest, they should become super humans and work harder than it is possible to work?
jeeze bro you're really deluded (plus your conservative ideology has stripped you of your god-given empathy)[/QUOTE]
Guess what, get a job and you can feed yourself. I know, it's amazing right? I know people who work two to three jobs because they understand the value of hard work and don't live off welfare checks.
There is a big difference between being a social darwinist and thinking that people should work an honest job, even if for a meager wage
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322205]Guess what, get a job and you can feed yourself. I know, it's amazing right? I know people who work two to three jobs because they understand the value of hard work and don't live off welfare checks.[/QUOTE]
yeah i've heard leukemia looks good on a resume
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322115]Good. That's what makes people work even harder. Life isn't fair, get over it.[/QUOTE]
When you work hard and fail harder, I'll sit by and laugh because you're the one who said that hard work always pays off.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322205]Guess what, get a job and you can feed yourself. I know, it's amazing right? I know people who work two to three jobs because they understand the value of hard work and don't live off welfare checks.[/QUOTE]
ugh anecdotal evidence is intellectually repulsive "I know a guy who did a thing, therefore it's possible for anyone to do it under any circumstances"
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23322171]well unless the government takes control of all children from parents who don't make enough money, how the hell else do you propose they be supported[/QUOTE]
Take away welfare checks and actually force the parents to work like a normal person.
[QUOTE=kdabr;23322215]There is a big difference between being a social darwinist and thinking that people should work an honest job, even if for a meager wage[/QUOTE]
don't know where you live, but even college graduates can't find a job
also for emphasis:
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;23322194]honestly, social darwinism is fucking barbaric
anyone who supports it is a neanderthal[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322228]Take away welfare checks and actually force the parents to work like a normal person.[/QUOTE]
good idea
ragy for president 2012
[QUOTE=kdabr;23322215]There is a big difference between being a social darwinist and thinking that people should work an honest job, even if for a meager wage[/QUOTE]
I love all those people that can't work that you're telling to work, they'll have fun working.
Oh wait, everyone can work because complications are a myth.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23322152]Poverty comes after the family because they couldn't understand that it costs money to maintain a family. I never said anything about not looking out for the children, the children should be the top priority.[/QUOTE]
Yea I agree they're fucking idiots. Raising a family takes money. GO GET SOME FUCKING MONEY POOR PEOPLE!!!
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