• FOX: Majority of Likely Voters Agree 'Socialist' Accurately Describes Obama
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[QUOTE=Silly Sil;23271992]I like this thread. I like how at the end Doriol is like "Come on give me proof, you don't have any, you are telling me to get it for you, you know nothing about arguments" Then MrEndangeredis like "RAWRRRHH FINE! quotes quotes quotes" And then Doriol's like "... ... ... Oh hey they are talking about something else"[/QUOTE] Thanks for the support, I really do feel as if I'm crazy sometimes and that perhaps I am saying something stupid. Next time, I'm just going to unplug the computer and stop feeding fucking trolls.
The United States [i]really[/i] needs to pass an amendment establishing a limit on [b]stupidity[/b]
Socialism isn't a bad thing either, the whole idea is based around compassion and equality, oh wait.
Can't they read a book or something, Obama is right wing, Socialism is LEFT WING.
LOLwut? Obama is rightwing. Not very, by the ridiculously right-slanted standards of the states, but staunch conservative by by the standards of the rest of the west excluding poland. Socialism is, by and large, a creature of the left.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;23278271]LOLwut? Obama is rightwing. Not very, by the ridiculously right-slanted standards of the states, but staunch conservative by by the standards of the rest of the west excluding poland. Socialism is, by and large, a creature of the left.[/QUOTE] Oh wait shit, mixed up. My bad, I knew I thought something was wrong. [editline]01:43PM[/editline] Fixed it.
Poe's law, second corollary: short of being unable to read and type, there is no ignorance cutoff level on the internet. I thought I saw another proof of this. My bad.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;23278171]Can't they read a book or something, Obama is right wing, Socialism is LEFT WING.[/QUOTE] Obama? Right wing?! He ran, and won, as a Democrat. Democrats are left wing, Republicans are right wing.
[QUOTE=Glaber;23279674]Obama? Right wing?! He ran, and won, as a Democrat. Democrats are left wing, Republicans are right wing.[/QUOTE] but the democrats aren't very left wing at all compared to much of the rest of the world. America is pretty regressive at times. And with the exception of Richardson, Obama was one of the most conservative democratic presidential candidates; compare him to Hillary, Edwards, and Kucinich, all of them are more liberal than him. that's the entire point. The people (like you) bitching about socialism don't even know what a real liberal looks like, let alone a socialist.
[QUOTE=Glaber;23279674]Obama? Right wing?! He ran, and won, as a Democrat. Democrats are left wing, Republicans are right wing.[/QUOTE] 'MERICAN POLITICS IS ONLY POLITICS. c
[QUOTE=Doriol;23268357]no I'm not public schools are full of worthless kids who couldn't care less about learning and all they do is pressure other kids into being just as useless. public school systems would rather keep these pieces of shit in their schools than get rid of them, because they'll lose money if they don't tl;dr: no child left behind, no child gets ahead[/QUOTE] Standardisation can exist in private or public schooling. Private schools do the same thing. While it's easy to blame public schooling, it's not alone. [editline]09:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Glaber;23279674]Obama? Right wing?! He ran, and won, as a Democrat. Democrats are left wing, Republicans are right wing.[/QUOTE] Those are a lot of empty words glaber.
[QUOTE=Glaber;23279674]Obama? Right wing?! He ran, and won, as a Democrat. Democrats are left wing, Republicans are right wing.[/QUOTE] democrats are about as leftwing as the conservative parties in most of canada and europe btw 'wings' aren't arbitrary things you assign parties too.
[QUOTE=Chippay;23290253]democrats are about as leftwing as the conservative parties in most of canada and europe btw 'wings' aren't arbitrary things you assign parties too.[/QUOTE] Shh, you'll shatter glabbers imaginary reality.
[QUOTE]Some of the mixed economy nations in Europe are extremely successful, take most of Scandinavia[/QUOTE] Take into account several factors when making this statement: 1. The welfare in scandanavia is so good that there isnt much incentive for petty crime 2. These countries (especially norway) use their socialized/highly taxed oil industry to pay for this utopian level of welfare 3. This sort of welfare/nationalized healthcare is not feasible anywhere but Norway The U.S. was founded as a laissez faire state. Neither the republicans nor the democrats have followed this. Put simply, both parties are awful. The democrats think they can give a puppy to every hillbilly shit who'd rather drink than work for an honest living. The republicans are no better. Remember that whole war in Iraq thing? The US of the early 20th century wouldnt have embarked on such a folly. The U.S., politically, was a much better place 100 years ago than it was now. Thats not to say that non laissez faire agencies (the FDA, SEC, etc) are a bad thing. But was medicare really such a great idea? Many americans are all for the government giving them more benefits, yet live their lives paycheck to paycheck, indulging themselves in every imaginable pleasure that a consumerist nation can offer. Simply put- In these nations that are more socialized, the people arent after wealth and riches like many americans are. We were established as a capitalist nation, and every American wants his jet-ski, double wide motor home and houseboat, shifting the burden onto the fiscally reponsible (and not neccesarily wealthy) taxpayer
[QUOTE=Glaber;23279674]Obama? Right wing?! He ran, and won, as a Democrat. Democrats are left wing, Republicans are right wing.[/QUOTE] By the standards set by the first world nations, Obama is right-wing.
You cant give everyone free health care if you are going to continue running up the already massive deficit. We need to stop fighting so many stupid wars and balance the damn books before the US becomes wholly OWNED by the chinese government. This doesn't mean that I'm republican, and this doesn't mean that I'm democrat. I just think that we shouldnt spend money that we dont have, even if it helps people... There is no bottomless piggy bank that refills from the greater good fund. Our free puppy for everyone and free wars for Lockheed fund is coming straight from the coffers of the chinese government
[QUOTE=kdabr;23290630]You cant give everyone free health care if you are going to continue running up the already massive deficit. We need to stop fighting so many stupid wars and balance the damn books before the US becomes wholly OWNED by the chinese government. This doesn't mean that I'm republican, and this doesn't mean that I'm democrat. I just think that we shouldnt spend money that we dont have, even if it helps people... There is no bottomless piggy bank that refills from the greater good fund. Our free puppy for everyone and free wars for Lockheed fund is coming straight from the coffers of the chinese government[/QUOTE] Your books will [i]never[/i] be balanced. With the state of the world's economy today it is likely that your country will never see a surplus again. Does this mean your government will collapse? No. China won't start annexing shit, and your economy will eventually stabilize. People will go back to work, money will start flowing again, and for the average consumer everything will be back to normal. You will even begin to see improved social services such as healthcare. Your debt will continue to rise, but as long as you continue to produce goods and your trade lanes remain open other countries will be willing to look the other way. It'll continue to go like that for the foreseeable future, barring any sort of large war or natural disaster. "We can't spend money we don't have" is fine for a personal bank account, but things work differently for a country.
[QUOTE]By the standards set by the first world nations, Obama is right-wing. [/QUOTE] We were the first first-world, democratic nation. And if these other countries continue down their fiscally irresponsible paths, we will be the last...at least the last nation in which hard work, intelligence, cunning, and passion are financially rewarded
[QUOTE=Zeke129;23290713]Your books will [i]never[/i] be balanced. With the state of the world's economy today it is likely that your country will never see a surplus again. Does this mean your government will collapse? No. China won't start annexing shit, and your economy will eventually stabilize. People will go back to work, money will start flowing again, and for the average consumer everything will be back to normal. You will even begin to see improved social services such as healthcare. Your debt will continue to rise, but as long as you continue to produce goods and your trade lanes remain open other countries will be willing to look the other way. It'll continue to go like that for the foreseeable future, barring any sort of large war or natural disaster. "We can't spend money we don't have" is fine for a personal bank account, but things work differently for a country.[/QUOTE] What this man said is correct.
[QUOTE]Your books will never be balanced[/QUOTE] They were in the 90's, why not now? All it takes is ballsy leadership and a leader smarter than Obama, Bush, and McCain combined. (I'd let Romney be dictator if he werent so damn christian. That guy is smart)
[QUOTE=kdabr;23290739]We were the first first-world, democratic nation. And if these other countries continue down their fiscally irresponsible paths, we will be the last...at least the last nation in which hard work, intelligence, cunning, and passion are financially rewarded[/QUOTE] That's an incredible amount of bullshit. It may have been one of the first, but that doesn't mean it set it's own standards for all. The fact is, the US was established slightly right wing, and has since the 1920's, steadily fallen more and more right into where it is now. Fairly fucking right. People who die of health complications because they can't pay for it aren't not working hard, they're abused.
Sorry, I said balanced books. I meant to say it on a yearly scale...and shit, ive forgotten the term...oh shit Im a dumbass I meant the outcome in which the yearly net income is positive, not the overall balance [editline]09:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE]People who die of health complications because they can't pay for it aren't working hard, they're abused. [/QUOTE] You are so right...and the sad thing is...what can you do about it that won't fuck over everything in the long term? After a relative of someone close to me fell ill with terminal cancer and spent months in an extremely expensive ICU, I rethought many of my political ideaologies...but where does the money come from?
holy shit people still believe in laissez faire [editline]07:20PM[/editline] you're blowing my mind here
[QUOTE]US was established slightly right wing[/QUOTE] What do mean it was established right wing? There were no right and left wings before America. There was the king's wing, and the gallows' wing...that was it. There wasnt exactly some grand leftist free healthcare scheme in the 1800's
what on earth are you talking about
[QUOTE=kdabr;23290910]What do mean it was established right wing? There were no right and left wings before America. There was the king's wing, and the gallows' wing...that was it. There wasnt exactly some grand leftist free healthcare scheme in the 1800's[/QUOTE] I hope you're just trying to be dense, but, just because it was the first one set down, doesn't mean shit for where it is in the grand scheme of things. Not to mention, you draw most of your right wing relation to the document of independence due to the words, repbulic, meaning republicans. What you don't know I'm sure, the terms republic, and liberal have done a complete role change. They have swapped completely.
[QUOTE=kdabr;23290815]Sorry, I said balanced books. I meant to say it on a yearly scale...and shit, ive forgotten the term...oh shit Im a dumbass I meant the outcome in which the yearly net income is positive, not the overall balance [/QUOTE] For the next while even that will be a huge challenge. Keep in mind, if your government STOPS spending even more people will lose their jobs. The economy will get worse. What's important is to redirect the spending away from wars and into things that people can use - public education, healthcare, infrastructure, things of that nature. Wars don't turn a profit as easily as they used to. Domestic spending does.
[QUOTE]holy shit people still believe in laissez faire[/QUOTE] Lasseiz faire is the seperation of state and governent. When I want a package shipped, I have two choices: I can have it shipped via the USPS -I will have to wait in line for eons at the post office -It will be priced well enough, but won't travel quite as quickly at this intermediate price point -It will not be delivered on a saturday -The man my tax money pays to deliver it will be the same guy I see taking naps in his truck I can have it shipped via FedEx -The workers will be quick, courteous, and hardworking. They know that a private corporation will fire them, unlike the Job-For-Life USPS -It will be shipped quickly at a very reasonable price (fedex ground) -I will be able (and have been able to for years) to track my package to estimate the delivery date -The people delivering my package won't be skipping work for Columbus Day [editline]09:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE]to redirect the spending away from wars and into things that people can use - public education, healthcare, infrastructure, things of that nature.[/QUOTE] ^^ This is exactly what Im saying. Money spent on education is money very well spent [QUOTE]what on earth are you talking about [/QUOTE] Im saying that it cant be compared at the time of its inception...because it was all alone
I know what it means [editline]07:31PM[/editline] I just can't believe you think it works
[QUOTE]you draw most of your right wing relation to the document of independence due to the words, repbulic, meaning republicans. What you don't know I'm sure, the terms republic, and liberal have done a complete role change. They have swapped completely.[/QUOTE] The terms republican and democrat have done a complete swap. The republican party of abraham lincoln was the progressive, liberal party. The words "republic" and "liberal" have not swapped meanings.
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