Rick Santorum Forcing His Children To Cuddle With A Fetus Not Weird, Say Psychologists
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[QUOTE=Spooter;34087737]YES, BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY THAN US YOU FUCKING ASSWIPE. THE STUDY OF THE HUMAN MIND DOESN'T NEED TO FUCKING CONSULT POPULAR OPINION.[/QUOTE]
Well, no.
In this case "they" was one gentleman known primarily not for his psychology work but for writing a self-help book. Everyone else- including that gentlemen- said this was nonstandard and/or weird.
Actually, that's my biggest beef with this thread. The guy cited as saying it wasn't weird still has a fairly large "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuugh hmmmmmmm" in the article. Nobody really said GEE WHIZ WHAT A PERFECTLY SANE AND REASONABLE THING TO DO, just one guy who likes to help people said "go easy on him, it's a rough thing to go through."
[QUOTE=Thlis;34089423]What's the difference between Uncle Joe and a still born fetus (which hopefully is not covered in chemicals in order to hasten decomposition).
Also how is it completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter what the difference is because that's not what happened.
Also, I made a mistake in word choice there.
This happens all the time.
It's not particularly weird or shocking.
At least when viewed with proper respect to the most fucked up and shocking species on the planet, us :v:
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[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;34089602]Well, no.
In this case "they" was one gentleman known primarily not for his psychology work but for writing a self-help book. Everyone else- including that gentlemen- said this was nonstandard and/or weird.
Actually, that's my biggest beef with this thread. The guy cited as saying it wasn't weird still has a fairly large "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuugh hmmmmmmm" in the article. Nobody really said GEE WHIZ WHAT A PERFECTLY SANE AND REASONABLE THING TO DO, just one guy who likes to help people said "go easy on him, it's a rough thing to go through."[/QUOTE]
I never said it was normal, and I'm fine with people finding it unusual or it making them uncomfortable. But I take offense at the legions of people declaring them either terrible people or mentally ill for doing it.
Not gonna lie, that's fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=wewt!;34084506]Santorum is getting pretty old, I have a new thing to think over regarding the whole topic
[img]http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ap_rick_santorum_family_nt_120106_wg.jpg[/img]
I can't decide whether or not I'd bone his daughter[/QUOTE]
She looks like one of the crazy Mormon girls I tried to bone back in highschool. It's funny how these batshit insane Christians all look alike.
"professionals say its not weird, so forget what everyone else thinks"
right...
[quote]The body was then circumcised and buried after a Jewish service.[/quote]
Desecrating a corpse is a crime, lock him up
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34090576]Desecrating a corpse is a crime, lock him up[/QUOTE]
Yet removing their organs and filling them with embalming fluid, then dressing them up for an open casket is totally acceptable
Santorum is fucking insane.
[quote]It is commonly said that when parents lose a child, they lose their future. This is particularly poignant for parents whose children die at or near birth. Leon (1990) identifies the unique nature of perinatal loss as characterized by resurgence of narcissistic and developmental needs. Additionally, parents' experience with their baby is very limited. They have few memories to mourn and instead must mourn the wishes and expectations that they held for the child. [B]This fuels contemporary caregiving practice of encouraging contact, naming, and memorializing the dead baby. It is suggested that parents who have these experiences are better able to grieve their loss than those for whom their baby remains an abstraction even after death.[/B] They may be better able to separate the real baby from the fantasy image they hold, and thus may be better able to parent a subsequent child (Leon, 1992; Lewis, 1979; Oglethorpe, 1989).[/quote]
[quote]What can health care providers do?
Attaching (bonding) and memories
Many actions in the NICU or in the labour and birth area that are taken to facilitate the attachment of the parents with their infant will become memories after a sudden or even an expected neonatal death. Forming an identity for the baby while he or she is alive is an important part of this process, and can be accomplished by using the infant’s correct sex and first name, talking to the parents about what the baby likes and dislikes, and describing his or her personality. [B]Holding should be facilitated where possible.[/B] Parents should be encouraged to bring in toys, siblings’ drawings, family pictures and tapes, which may later serve as mementos. Finally, visiting policies should be around the clock, including during bedside rounds. Over 80% of parents who attended bedside rounds learned new facts about their baby or the NICU, which made them feel more comfortable with the health care team, and there were no complaints about a lack of privacy or confidentiality (unpublished data).
What to do during the dying process and afterwards
Table 2 presents important actions to be taken during and after the death of a baby. P[B]arents need to spend time with their dying or dead baby. The opportunity to spend time with the baby should be offered on several occasions because some parents may need encouragement. [/B]One can ask the parents whether they want to be alone, or to have family or a nurse stay with them; some young parents may be frightened because they have no previous experience with death. Privacy, including privacy for the mother, father and baby as a group, is very important at this stage. This may mean asking additional family members and friends to give the trio some time alone. [B]However, it is important that, at some point, relatives or friends be allowed to see the baby, with the parents’ approval. Indeed, these individuals can validate the infant’s existence and death, thereby acknowledging the parents’ loss and their need for grieving.[/B]
In no way should the above experience be rushed. [B]Holding the baby should be allowed for as long or as short as the parents wish to do so.[/B] One should talk about gasping, muscle contractions and pain or discomfort management beforehand. In the case of a sudden or unexpected death during the parents’ absence, one needs to give reassurance that caring individuals held and comforted the baby. In a follow-up contact, these individuals should talk with the parents and offer mementos, which will become very precious to the family. Parents are often concerned that their infant may have experienced fear or pain, and the caregivers need to provide reassurance that those concerns were addressed.
[B]It is critical that every attempt be made for any available family members to spend time with the baby before and after death.[/B] Health care professionals have become much better at ensuring that parents spend time with their infant, but the importance of including other family members is less recognized. [B]The grief of parents often is ‘validated’ when their own parents, siblings, children and close friends can be with the baby[/B], however briefly. Liberal visiting policies in NICUs should facilitate this. It makes sense that people can be more supportive to a family if they also have their own memories of the baby after a long stay in the NICU.[/quote]
It's not only normal, but recommended
here are some daguerreotypes indicating it was also happened prior the 20th century
[img]http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1058/813923532_ab4b26238f.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1398/812251013_98e622bb7b.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1208/812459985_a671d2412c.jpg[/img]
...if this were any "normal" person the media would have long ago written him off as a lunatic
[QUOTE=Contag;34090904]It's not only normal, but recommended
here are some daguerreotypes indicating it was also happened prior the 20th century
[img]http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1058/813923532_ab4b26238f.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1398/812251013_98e622bb7b.jpg[/img]
[img]http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1208/812459985_a671d2412c.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Those photos aren't helping the "it's not creepy" argument
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34090937]Those photos aren't helping the "it's not creepy" argument[/QUOTE]
Yeah of course it's creepy
babies are supposed to be this you know, new life
but they're dead
that's fucked up, and tends to fuck people up
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;34083460]This guy's a fucking creeper.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/771/santorumcreeper.jpg[/img]
[I][B]IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW
OH GOD[/B][/I]
[QUOTE=Nikota;34082424]
--sanitorium--
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Health/rick-santorum-dead-baby-critics-lambasted-families-grieve/story?id=15306750#.TwduXdRSSEp[/url][/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/224318.png?garryis=awesome[/img]
what the hell..
What exactly does a 5 month old fetus look like?
[QUOTE=Painties Hose;34091683]What exactly does a 5 month old fetus look like?[/QUOTE]
looks like it shouldn't be snuggled by small children
[QUOTE=Contag;34091035]Yeah of course it's creepy
babies are supposed to be this you know, new life
but they're dead
that's fucked up, [b]and tends to fuck people up[/b][/QUOTE]
so let's expose children to it!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34091901]so let's expose children to it![/QUOTE]
Zeeeeke what are you doing
Santorum is a shitbag, but not for this
Go read up on the health practices and realize this is a perfectly normal coping mechanism that provides benefits for parents [B]as well as[/B] siblings
tell me, how many of your siblings died in infancy?
[QUOTE=Hans-Gunther 3.;34083832]Yeah, right.[/QUOTE]
I'll give you a hint why they say that.
[i]money money money...[/i]
VERY fucked up
[QUOTE=Spooter;34087737]Listen, I hate Santorum as much as the next guy (anyone who watched the Iowa caucus thread knows that), but seriously.
[U]
[B]Where in the god damn hell do you assholes get off judging the way his family grieved?[/B][/U]
Seriously. This whole thread fucking disgusts me. It's ok to find that strange or even disgusting, but this whole thread can be summed up as follows:
[B]EW GROSS THEY CODDLED A DEAD BABY EW THAT'S SO GROSS AND WEIRD THEY MUST BE CRAZY OR AT LEAST RICK IS EW EW EW THEY'RE SUCH TERRIBLE PEOPLE EW GROSS EW SO WEIRD[/B]
Seriously FP, where the FUCK do you get off judging this family for the way the mourned their loss? A stillborn child or miscarriage is a fucking psychological hydrogen bomb, I know people who still haven't fully recovered from it. And when experts say that it really isn't weird and is an effective method of coping, people just go "OH THEY'RE PAID OFF", which is [I]is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.[/I] But then I saw this:
YES, BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY THAN US YOU FUCKING ASSWIPE. THE STUDY OF THE HUMAN MIND DOESN'T NEED TO FUCKING CONSULT POPULAR OPINION.
For how much Santorum and conservatives are bashed for how backward they are, the people who are shitting on the Santorum family for the methods in which they grieved is fucking revolting [I]and stinks of the same backward, judgemental mentality so many of you claim to crusade against.
[/I]I'd like to make it perfectly clear, I hate Rick Santorum. [I]But attacking him for something so intensely personal is absolutely childish and disgusting. [/I][B]And all of you should be ashamed[/B].[/QUOTE]
White Knight to the max
[editline]7th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Contag;34091936]Zeeeeke what are you doing
Santorum is a shitbag, but not for this
Go read up on the health practices and realize this is a perfectly normal coping mechanism that provides benefits for parents [B]as well as[/B] siblings
tell me, how many of your siblings died in infancy?[/QUOTE]
What's good is to see the dead body, so you know it's really dead. You saw the corpse, it's not moving, everything's fine.
What's NOT good is to take the dead body home, take pictures of it and circumcise it as if it was alive, and push your children to hug it, because that's exactly what they would do with a REAL baby. They aren't realizing it's dead and mourning the poor thing doing this, they acted as if it was still alive and refused to admit it was DEAD. The kids probably didn't even notice the baby was dead, they must have thought he was just sleeping until the parents told them.
Wait, this is the guy who's running to be the [B]president[/B] of the country I currently fucking live in?
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[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;34090224]She looks like one of the crazy Mormon girls I tried to bone back in highschool. It's funny how these batshit insane Christians all look alike.[/QUOTE]
they only reproduce between members of the same community
not good for genetic diversity, explains a lot
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;34093962]
What's good is to see the dead body, so you know it's really dead. You saw the corpse, it's not moving, everything's fine.
What's NOT good is to take the dead body home, take pictures of it and circumcise it as if it was alive, and push your children to hug it, because that's exactly what they would do with a REAL baby. They aren't realizing it's dead and mourning the poor thing doing this, they acted as if it was still alive and refused to admit it was DEAD. The kids probably didn't even notice the baby was dead, they must have thought he was just sleeping until the parents told them.[/QUOTE]
wow thanks for the wild speculation
I'm going to call up the medical associations of every country in the world, and tell them that Dr Ganerumo knows more than them and that they've been wrong this whole time
go back up and read about [I]why[/I] it's a good thing
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4d_FvgQ1csE#[/url]!
Media tags won't work, but I found Obama's replacement.
Rick Santorum Forcing His Children To Cuddle With A Fetus Not Weird, Say Psychologists Being Paid By Rick Santorum
he should have it taxidermied then he can hug it for ever
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