Gay marriage legalized in Denmark - Polidicks

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36233605] Picture of who voted for, against and neither. [IMG]http://multimedia.pol.dk/archive/00649/Folketinget_stemmer_649146y.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Thats pretty cool, the screen. imagine having a live feed on scale of a country :O [QUOTE=sp00ks;36263581]Not allowing homosexuals to get married in a state run church is discrimination.[/QUOTE] thats stupid. like saying allowing a crime to happen in a police station is stupid. or enforcing law in a criminal hideout is stupid (i put both sides so not to pick on the sensitive anti/pro christrian fp crowd). christians dont like homosexuals. must you annoy them and ask for marriages in their churches? abiding by religion should be the least of their concerns if they are "doomed to hell" because of their orientation. just go to the state run court which accepts them

[QUOTE=Splarg!;36264008]Exactly, you're saying to a whole bunch of people (some of which are steady churchgoers) "why would you want to be a part of something that hates you so much?" (which is an incredibly un-Christian message from the church by the way). The idea that Gays should just be like "yeah, screw Christianity, we don't even want to get married anymore" is absurd, because guess what, Christians aren't the only ones who get married...EVERYBODY grows up expecting to get married and you're just shoving Gays into the corner and saying "hey guys, you're not allowed to do this one thing that everyone else does, but you'll get over it." And anybody who acts like gay marriage infringes their religious rights can go fuck themselves with a tire iron. The same exact shit was used to try and block interracial marriage, but you don't see social conservatives talking about that anymore, do you?[/QUOTE] Big difference there, though, between interracial marriage and gay marriage: the bible doesn't say anything about that. What you need to understand is that getting married ISN'T a Christian thing anymore, which is why there's an alternative. You can go down to city hall, get the official ceremoni done and have a big fancy wedding. What most people are so keen to have isn't a church wedding as such, it's just all the other stuff. They want fancy clothes, fancy food, a big party and so on, which is fully possibly even if you don't get married in a church. I don't really give a fuck about whether or not they're able to get married in a church, I mean, if that's how it is, fine by me, but it's the whole discussion and the fact that Folkepartiet has decided that every priest, even those who do not wish to do so, have to wed gay people. I think it should be individual from priest to priest.

[QUOTE=SaWAH;36269118]Big difference there, though, between interracial marriage and gay marriage: the bible doesn't say anything about that. What you need to understand is that getting married ISN'T a Christian thing anymore, which is why there's an alternative. You can go down to city hall, get the official ceremoni done and have a big fancy wedding. What most people are so keen to have isn't a church wedding as such, it's just all the other stuff. They want fancy clothes, fancy food, a big party and so on, which is fully possibly even if you don't get married in a church. I don't really give a fuck about whether or not they're able to get married in a church, I mean, if that's how it is, fine by me, but it's the whole discussion and the fact that Folkepartiet has decided that every priest, even those who do not wish to do so, have to wed gay people. I think it should be individual from priest to priest.[/QUOTE] From the article: [quote=Article] It remains up to each priest, whether he will marry homosexuals.[/quote]

What some of the people here probably don't understand is that lutheran(The state religion) priests actually don't mind this, they're all for it.

[QUOTE=Crimor;36269772]What some of the people here probably don't understand is that lutheran(The state religion) priests actually don't mind this, they're all for it.[/QUOTE] That's just ONE of the awesome things that happen when you have priests that don't believe the bullshit they spout. Even an atheist priest is the best priest. Food for thought.

It's mainly due to lutheran christianity being nothing like the fire and brimstone american ones. From what I remember it's pretty much "don't be a dick mmk"

[QUOTE=Bomimo;36269827]That's just ONE of the awesome things that happen when you have priests that don't believe the bullshit they spout. Even an atheist priest is the best priest. Food for thought.[/QUOTE] This post makes no sense. I'm pretty sure that most priests believe the "bullshit" they spout (and in the case of Danish priests I'd argue that they're pretty damn reasonable), but the Danish priests have just cut back on the bullshit. I'm an atheist, but I have been to a christian camp a few times (without this being some funky extreme camp with "love Jesus" night and day, or even much focus on it at all), and the priest there is probably one of the people I've met that had most knowledge of life. He didn't preach the bible much or anything, he told stories of his childhood, adolescence and when he was a young man, and he just told us what he had learned from them. This has nothing to do with gay marriage, but many priests are very fien people. That's all I'm saying. [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Crimor;36269846]It's mainly due to lutheran christianity being nothing like the fire and brimstone american ones. From what I remember it's pretty much "don't be a dick mmk"[/QUOTE] Luther was a dick himself, no question about that. Extremely conservative and he justified the killings of a lot of peasants. He just had some different views on the church and christianity.

Yeah not arguing about luther being a dick or not, he totally was, but modern lutheran christianity seems pretty bro. And that priest you were talking about sounds pretty much like every lutheran priest I've ever met (I'm atheist myself, but I like discussing religion and other things with priests since it's always nice to get a second opinion)

[QUOTE=killer89;36262311]AIDS being one of the few, which still doesnt have a cure.[/QUOTE] Actually there are treatments for it now that can essentially stop the HIV virus, and we do have a cure for AIDS just now but it requires a fully body blood transplant which is inherently retardedly dangerous. But again there's other treatments.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36233605] [img]http://multimedia.pol.dk/archive/00649/Folketinget_stemmer_649146y.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Are the black dots people who aren't there? If so, you have the same problem as Sweden.

[QUOTE=Zacca;36270160]Are the black dots people who aren't there? If so, you have the same problem as Sweden.[/QUOTE] Yep, and I wouldn't call it a problem.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36269888]This post makes no sense. I'm pretty sure that most priests believe the "bullshit" they spout (and in the case of Danish priests I'd argue that they're pretty damn reasonable), but the Danish priests have just cut back on the bullshit. I'm an atheist, but I have been to a christian camp a few times (without this being some funky extreme camp with "love Jesus" night and day, or even much focus on it at all), and the priest there is probably one of the people I've met that had most knowledge of life. He didn't preach the bible much or anything, he told stories of his childhood, adolescence and when he was a young man, and he just told us what he had learned from them. This has nothing to do with gay marriage, but many priests are very fien people. That's all I'm saying. [/QUOTE] Which proves my point. You don't go though 8 years of studies in every mythology without working out how bullshit the religion of Christianity is and how hard it's plagiarised. What priests believe in is the Philosophical message and that's what they preach. I've been in both the average danish camp and the mad-hatter nutcase camp and i'll tell you... that has zero relevance at all! What it is, is that we've got a church that is largely ceremonial and that's it. We have priests who have got too large a perspective on mythologies to believe one that is so obviously plagiarised and flawed. They only preach the philosophy because there's no way in all nine hells that you Finnish the Theology class as a religious man. In fact, most who start there as believers get majorly butthurt and leave because the course treats it as a mythology and puts it on the same level as other religions and mythologies. It's almost more philosophical than philosophy class, because in Philosophy class, you get to cover some big names like Socrates, Nietzsche and whatever, but Theology covers local philosophy... What the average Joe thought or was taught to think. Now THAT is high-level analysis right there. What made the vikings tick? What made ancient Persia tick? What was the world view? That's a major part of the course. That and analysing scriptures from all corners of the earth and all ages. There's a reason that it's an 8 year education.

Religion has now learned not to fuck with the danish state :V BTW: For the people who still aren't getting it: Gays have been allowed to "marry" here for a long time, now they can also get married in a church.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;36273648]Which proves my point. You don't go though 8 years of studies in every mythology without working out how bullshit the religion of Christianity is and how hard it's plagiarised. What priests believe in is the Philosophical message and that's what they preach. I've been in both the average danish camp and the mad-hatter nutcase camp and i'll tell you... that has zero relevance at all! What it is, is that we've got a church that is largely ceremonial and that's it. We have priests who have got too large a perspective on mythologies to believe one that is so obviously plagiarised and flawed. They only preach the philosophy because there's no way in all nine hells that you Finnish the Theology class as a religious man. In fact, most who start there as believers get majorly butthurt and leave because the course treats it as a mythology and puts it on the same level as other religions and mythologies. It's almost more philosophical than philosophy class, because in Philosophy class, you get to cover some big names like Socrates, Nietzsche and whatever, but Theology covers local philosophy... What the average Joe thought or was taught to think. Now THAT is high-level analysis right there. What made the vikings tick? What made ancient Persia tick? What was the world view? That's a major part of the course. That and analysing scriptures from all corners of the earth and all ages. There's a reason that it's an 8 year education.[/QUOTE] Let me quote your first post: [QUOTE=Bomimo;36269827]That's just ONE of the awesome things that happen when you have priests that don't believe the bullshit they spout. Even an atheist priest is the best priest. Food for thought.[/QUOTE] Now let me quote some of your post: [quote]What priests believe in is the Philosophical message and that's what they preach.[/quote] If you combine the very clear meanings of these statements, you're saying that priests spout "philosophical bullshit" and they don't believe what they're spouting, even though they believe in it. I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong, but the post I replied to is radically different from the post you posted just now, and therefore I think it's safe to say that the new argument has zero relevance to the former. Anyhow, what [I]are[/I] they supposed to believe in? Everything the Bible says? No church or priest has ever preached every word of the Bible as the final truth, and the catholic church actually made some substantial changes to it in their translation to latin (like including the church and so on), so why is it so bad that some priests are now distancing themselves from parts of the Bible? That's what we've been doing all along. So I'm going to go ahead and say that whatever "bullshit" a priest may be spouting, whether purely philosophical or biblical, it is highly probable that it's a subjective and personal choice, and that they believe it themselves.

This is wrong. Gay couples getting married in a church.. It goes against christanity as homosexuality is a sin under god. I don't care about them getting married only that it not be in a church\holy place.

Only thing wrong I see with this vote were the representatives (who I assume) chose not to vote or weren't their to vote. Doesn't feel right to me when you have only half of the elected members of parliament voting on such an important issue.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;36278580]This is wrong. Gay couples getting married in a church.. It goes against christanity as homosexuality is a sin under god. I don't care about them getting married only that it not be in a church\holy place.[/QUOTE] That's between them and God. It shouldn't matter how much [i]you[/i] care.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;36278736]Only thing wrong I see with this vote were the representatives (who I assume) chose not to vote or weren't their to vote. Doesn't feel right to me when you have only half of the elected members of parliament voting on such an important issue.[/QUOTE] This is how it goes on in Denmark. If someone in the parliament feel that the vote didn't represent the whole picture, they can say so. And if they really had an opinion on this they would've just come themselves. They decided themselves not to show up for the discussion, and having all people in the parliament at the same time isn't very efficient either way.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;36278580]This is wrong. Gay couples getting married in a church.. It goes against christanity as homosexuality is a sin under god. I don't care about them getting married only that it not be in a church\holy place.[/QUOTE] the only place where the bible says anything about homosexuality is in the old testament. the old testament contains all kinds of fucked up shit, don't take that seriously (don't take any of the bible seriously tbh)

[QUOTE=SaWAH;36256130]I really hate this whole discussion, because in my opinion, there shouldn't be one. I'm for gay marriage, but I'm not for gay marriage in the sense that they should be able to get married in a church, and it's not because I'm old fashion or overly christian. However, it just doesn't make any logical sense to me WHY gay people would want to get married in a church? It's a _CHRISTIAN_ institution who has an issue with man-on-man action. Why would you want to be married into a belief where you aren't welcome? And WHY is it their right to be so? They aren't welcomed by the faith itself. I don't care how many priests see it, because frankly, the bible literally state that being gay is, not a sin, but simply wrong and disgusting. It's not even something you can interpret as you want; look it up. It literally says so in the bible and seeing as the bible is basically the rulebook of christianity, it doesn't make any sense why they'd even want to get married. It's not a right they have, not when it comes to christianity.[/QUOTE] imo it should be up to the individual church whether or not they want to allow homosexual marriage in their church across the board the government should say that homosexual marriage is allowed (and anyone who wants should be able to have a wedding), but priests should not be forced to go against their beliefs because the government says so; like you said, it's a religious place of worship if a church doesn't want to marry a homosexual couple, they should have to find a church that will or just be married without a priest [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=killer89;36260791]Gays started to spread the AIDS, so i somewhat understand on why some people hate them to death. (it was originally gay - disease, till it expanded to straight people.)[/QUOTE] you know that's like me saying that straight people are responsible for the flu as in they're not

I feel happy after reading this. Thanks, OP.

[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36278800]That's between them and God. It shouldn't matter how much [i]you[/i] care.[/QUOTE] This is the point I was trying to make in some of my other posts. While gay marriage should of course be legal, we can't just say to people "your opinions don't matter" - otherwise we're simply discrimizing them. No matter what (in my opinion) stupid opinion some people might flaunt, we shouldn't circumvent democracy and just say "It shouldn't matter what you think", because it always should.

hahaha every one of you queer loving idiots forget that as most of the vocabulary that has been changed by reds in europe since 1950s marriage has been changed too. I am against gay marriage. Why? Because marriage is a sacred relationship of MAN AND WOMAN. So it comes down to gay man and woman relationshipWAT? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Bigotry" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

that made no sense.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;36283950]that made no sense.[/QUOTE] marriage = relationship of man and woman made no sense? Can you read? two man or two women cannot be married. That's not what marriage is.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36277695 If you combine the very clear meanings of these statements, you're saying that priests spout "philosophical bullshit" and they don't believe what they're spouting, even though they believe in it. I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong, but the post I replied to is radically different from the post you posted just now, and therefore I think it's safe to say that the new argument has zero relevance to the former. Anyhow, what [I]are[/I] they supposed to believe in? Everything the Bible says? No church or priest has ever preached every word of the Bible as the final truth, and the catholic church actually made some substantial changes to it in their translation to latin (like including the church and so on), so why is it so bad that some priests are now distancing themselves from parts of the Bible? That's what we've been doing all along. So I'm going to go ahead and say that whatever "bullshit" a priest may be spouting, whether purely philosophical or biblical, it is highly probable that it's a subjective and personal choice, and that they believe it themselves.[/QUOTE] You're starting to grasp at straws and it's seriously pathetic. I said the first in regards to the litteral readings and preachings that they HAVE to do and then talked about the philosophical aproach that they also take at every service. Have you not noticed that they write off a lot of the bible as metaphoric unless it's directly related to a ceremony or custom? But go ahead and disregard the rest of my post. Det' fandme pænt at du går og vifter med din 9. klasses papirer dér mester...

[QUOTE=Janek566;36283940]hahaha every one of you queer loving idiots forget that as most of the vocabulary that has been changed by reds in europe since 1950s marriage has been changed too. I am against gay marriage. Why? Because marriage is a sacred relationship of MAN AND WOMAN. So it comes down to gay man and woman relationshipWAT?[/QUOTE] Are you just a bad troll or legitimate? It's ok, you can tell us. (Also good job Denmark)

i think as long as religious institutions have any form of government assistance like tax breaks or whatever, they should not be allowed to discriminate because that means the government is supporting discrimination against it's own people, and as long as marriage has shit from the government like tax breaks and all that then again, it should not be able to be refused to anyone.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;36284028]You're starting to grasp at straws and it's seriously pathetic. I said the first in regards to the litteral readings and preachings that they HAVE to do and then talked about the philosophical aproach that they also take at every service. Have you not noticed that they write off a lot of the bible as metaphoric unless it's directly related to a ceremony or custom? But go ahead and disregard the rest of my post. Det' fandme pænt at du går og vifter med din 9. klasses papirer dér mester...[/QUOTE] I'm just saying it's the priest job to interpret the text, and then convey the message. I'm not disregarding the rest of your post, I actually aknowledged that you're right, just that your second post was seriously detached from the first one. You have to remember as well that the Bible is already biased, as it was written down by people with their own opinions. As such, you can write of much of the Bible as "social norms in the second century". I'm not defending the Bible and what it says (because it talks a lot of shit), but of course the priests are going to quote the parts that are not completely fucked up. That's what we do with everything nowadays either way. Og synes du ikke at det er mindst ligeså ynkeligt at angribe min alder? Hvorfor skulle jeg få brug for mine 9. klasses noter (som også er næsten ikke-eksisterende) når jeg går i gymnasiet?

[QUOTE=Janek566;36283974]marriage = relationship of man and woman made no sense? Can you read? two man or two women cannot be married. [B]That's not what marriage is[/B].[/QUOTE] Danish laws begs to differ.