Fallen Marine’s Last Words: ‘It Was All Worth it’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=zombini;34560809]What exactly are we there for then? The Taliban are basically in hiding now, we got Osama, what else is left?[/QUOTE] They're in hiding so we'll leave, then they'll just come back and everything will be irrelevant. As said above, were training their own military and personnel so they can deal with terrorist threats themselves. I think as it stands were set to leave in 2014.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34555497]As much as I appreciate this sentiment, this quote seems a bit odd: Was he seriously under the impression that he was safeguarding American children's lives by killing insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan? If so, then this quote is just preposterous, but any death is a sad one. On the other hand he could be referring to any children in the Middle East who may have been terrorized, in which case it's a great quote.[/QUOTE] uhm no did you even read the article? he was referencing kids in the middle east...

[QUOTE=zombini;34560898] the taliban are basically gone and Osama is dead, there's no need to stay there and let the troops die. [/QUOTE] No, the Taliban are not gone. As soon as we pull out, they will come back and attempt to take control. Those fuckers are smart as shit, even if they do fuck donkeys.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34555789]it wasn't worth it. he died a pointless death in a pointless war, the children he thinks he's 'defending' will grow up hating him and everything he's ever stood for. that's why this is even more tragic :([/QUOTE] My dad and his team of people from the Embassy (which includes people from various NATO countries and Afghanistan) frequently visit and buy stuff for a local orphanage in Kabul. He sends us pictures of the kids and they're happy to see them and their caretakers are grateful for the gifts. They look like any normal kid you see. Innocent and mostly care free and playful. But it's hard to think what will come of their lives. Especially the girls. Under Taliban rule, women basically had no rights. these orphans have no male relatives which basically tosses them out into a world of oppression and subjugation. What would become of them? Rape? child marriage? prostitution? The fact that these little girls will grow up in a world that has at least a facet of women's rights makes our continued presence worth it. We need to leave as soon as possible, but only when the Government and military of Afghanistan can deal with what's to come. People will hate us for the decade of war and death we've inevitably brought into their lands. But [i]if[/i] our actions give this country the means to bring about their own sovereignty and rule free from Taliban oppression, then I know, and they know it was worth it. That's why were still there. If we leave, the nation will collapse again and everything we've done the past 10 years will be worthless. Believe it or not, we've made some ground, were in the process of handing the keys over to the Afghan people, and if everything goes accordingly they will build their once oppressed nation into a leader in the region.

[QUOTE=BloodYScar;34560335]I dont, because most of you people are hypocrits. What was he doing over there in the first place? Forcing his help onto other countries? haha, I dont give a fuck if your mission is to create world-peace, once you are part of the army that invades another country on false assumptions and lies you shouldnt be surprised if the people hate you. America needs to mind its own fuckin business and as long as there are people like this guy right here, serving some suit wearing monkeys that dont give a SINGLE FUCK about their citizens (yes you americans) it wont.[/QUOTE] Lol, Germany is in the sandbox too, don't act like they aren't.

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;34555295][img]http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/8179/350662-big_boss_salute_super.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]This x1000. Seriously, I appreciate heroic people like this. Especially when they are on death's doorstep and they still say they are proud of what they did. If only we had people like this in american politics. Maybe we'd actually make progress. Regardless, this marine sounds like a damn hero. I salute thee!

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;34569172]This x1000. Seriously, I appreciate heroic people like this. Especially when they are on death's doorstep and they still say they are proud of what they did. If only we had people like this in american politics. Maybe we'd actually make progress. Regardless, this marine sounds like a damn hero. I salute thee![/QUOTE] That's kinda blowing this out of proportion, isn't it I mean the guy got blew up by some explosives, and because he said "that was worth it", he goes from one more casualty (which is still sad) to national hero ?

Damn this sucks, RIP, if an afterlife exists, I hope people are judged on how good/bad of a person they were and not religious beliefs.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;34555867]for what he did or to like him for what he did, he died[/QUOTE] Woah this part of the sentence really punches the eyes so to speak.

[QUOTE=BloodYScar;34560335]I dont, because most of you people are hypocrits. What was he doing over there in the first place? Forcing his help onto other countries? haha, I dont give a fuck if your mission is to create world-peace, once you are part of the army that invades another country on false assumptions and lies you shouldnt be surprised if the people hate you. America needs to mind its own fuckin business and as long as there are people like this guy right here, serving some suit wearing monkeys that dont give a SINGLE FUCK about their citizens (yes you americans) it wont.[/QUOTE] Right now I would probably be in the military if it wasn't for the fact that I have scoliosis. I've wanted to join, enlisted or commissioned, for a very long time. Posts like this implying that anyone who willingly joins deserves anything negative piss me off so much. Let's assume for one second that the war was based on something bad. Who is it manipulating this, the military or the politicians directing who we go to war with? Do you hate every single worker in a shitty company? If you met a receptionist at a building for EA or Activision or some gaming company you hate for example, would you act like the way you are now and tell her she deserves this? Frankly this attitude from not just you but anyone who thinks this way makes me sick. It's ignorant and just... Wrong. Hide behind the "lol opinions" defense if you want, this is just flat out wrong.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;34556795]No it wasn't. The entire war is a farce. He shouldn't have been in that conflict, Ever. It's the faults of fat-cats and money-hungry tycoons that young men like him are slaughtered every day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=x_xPwntx_x;34570649]Right now I would probably be in the military if it wasn't for the fact that I have scoliosis. I've wanted to join, enlisted or commissioned, for a very long time. Posts like this implying that anyone who willingly joins deserves anything negative piss me off so much. Let's assume for one second that the war was based on something bad. Who is it manipulating this, the military or the politicians directing who we go to war with? Do you hate every single worker in a shitty company? If you met a receptionist at a building for EA or Activision or some gaming company you hate for example, would you act like the way you are now and tell her she deserves this? Frankly this attitude from not just you but anyone who thinks this way makes me sick. It's ignorant and just... Wrong. Hide behind the "lol opinions" defense if you want, this is just flat out wrong.[/QUOTE] uhhhh when someone chooses to work for that shitty company then surely they should be willing to accept any negative flak they get for working for said company???? and we're not talking about a company that has questionable business practice which irritates consumers, we're talking about a job where basically you are paid to kill people. you can say that the army does other shit but that doesn't change that at the core of the military it's being paid to kill and in a perfect world it would not exist.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34570864][QUOTE=Drsalvador;34556795]No it wasn't. The entire war is a farce. He shouldn't have been in that conflict, Ever. It's the faults of fat-cats and money-hungry tycoons that young men like him are slaughtered every day.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] uh ok i guess we shouldn't protect civilians from fundamentalist islamic militants notorious for their massacres, human rights abuses, and terrorist methodology. You're thinking about the wrong war lol [editline]6th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;34570875] at the core of the military it's being paid to kill and in a perfect world it would not exist.[/QUOTE] hint: it's not a perfect world

[QUOTE=iFail;34570880]uh ok i guess we shouldn't protect civilians from fundamentalist islamic militants notorious for their massacres, human rights abuses, and terrorist methodology. You're thinking about the wrong war lol[/QUOTE] So we simply replace islamic militants with the US army, notorious for their massacres, human rights abuses, and terrorist methodology. Good 1. [editline]6th February 2012[/editline] lol

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34570912]So we simply replace islamic militants with the US army, notorious for their massacres, human rights abuses, and terrorist methodology. Good 1. [editline]6th February 2012[/editline] lol[/QUOTE] are you being intentionally dumb or is that natural? the taliban is responsible for 75% of the civilian casualties in afghanistan in 2010 and 80% of those in 2011. They have had a history of human trafficking. They even have religious police who beat women for breaking sharia law. Also it's clear you don't have any idea what a terrorist methodology is, because that's pretty fucking far from the truth here, there's literally no need for the US to terrorise anything. If anything they want to reassure the afghan public that they are safe, not scare them shitless.

I can't believe people would clutter up this thread, that is meant to honor someone who is dead, with all of this bullshit. Say something nice, or stow it and move on. [quote]“Perhaps I did not change the world. Perhaps there is still injustice in the world. But there will be a child who will live because men left the security they enjoyed in their home country to come to his. And this child will learn in the new schools that have been built. He will walk his streets not worried about whether or not his leader’s henchmen are going to come and kidnap him. He will grow into a fine man who will pursue every opportunity his heart could desire. He will have the gift of freedom, which I have enjoyed for so long. If my life buys the safety of a child who will one day change this world, then I know that it was all worth it.”[/quote] This can summarize my reason for joining and can give a little meaning to the two tours I completed over there. Semper Fi, bother. You seemed like a pretty decent guy.

[QUOTE=iFail;34570944]are you being intentionally dumb or is that natural? the taliban is responsible for 75% of the civilian casualties in afghanistan in 2010 and 80% of those in 2011. They have had a history of human trafficking. They even have religious police who beat women for breaking sharia law. Also it's clear you don't have any idea what a terrorist methodology is, because that's pretty fucking far from the truth here, there's literally no need for the US to terrorise anything. If anything they want to reassure the afghan public that they are safe, not scare them shitless.[/QUOTE] Nice list of what the Taliban have. But you know what you do not have? You do not have any moral or formal obligation to interfere in how other people run their countries. The US effort in the middle east has resulted in absolutely nothing except establishing a very temporary puppetstring government while making the whole situation in the middle east spectacularily more unstable, bringing all western countries and US allies in direct line of extremist aggression. Don't be fooled. Your government has zero altruistic interest while engaging countries with human rights abuse. [editline]6th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Coridan;34570975]I can't believe people would clutter up this thread, that is meant to honor someone who is dead, with all of this bullshit. Say something nice, or stow it and move on. This can summarize my reason for joining and can give a little meaning to the two tours I completed over there. Semper Fi, bother. You seemed like a pretty decent guy.[/QUOTE] I share no respect for soldiers. There is no glory in war or killing other human beings. Don't give it any.

[QUOTE=iFail;34570880]uh ok i guess we shouldn't protect civilians from fundamentalist islamic militants notorious for their massacres, human rights abuses, and terrorist methodology. You're thinking about the wrong war lol [editline]6th February 2012[/editline] hint: it's not a perfect world[/QUOTE] you realize the USA was perfectly fine with the taliban until 9/11? not only fine with the taliban, but actively supplied them with weapons. if you think the afghanistan war was to protect civilians from islamic militants then you're incredibly naive. [editline]6th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=iFail;34570944]are you being intentionally dumb or is that natural? the taliban is responsible for 75% of the civilian casualties in afghanistan in 2010 and 80% of those in 2011. They have had a history of human trafficking. They even have religious police who beat women for breaking sharia law. Also it's clear you don't have any idea what a terrorist methodology is, because that's pretty fucking far from the truth here, there's literally no need for the US to terrorise anything. If anything they want to reassure the afghan public that they are safe, not scare them shitless.[/QUOTE] 75% and 80% of civilian casualties? got anything to back those numbers up?

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34570998]Nice list of what the Taliban have. But you know what you do not have? You do not have any moral or formal obligation to interfere in how other people run their countries. The US effort in the middle east has resulted in absolutely nothing except establishing a very temporary puppetstring government while making the whole situation in the middle east spectacularily more unstable, bringing all western countries and US allies in direct line of extremist aggression. Don't be fooled. Your government has zero altruistic interest while engaging countries with human rights abuse.[/QUOTE] no moral obligation to stop human rights abuses? sure. And either way the point is irrelevant, it's not about the government's interests, this thread happens to be about a marine who clearly did have an altruistic interest.

[QUOTE=iFail;34571013]no moral obligation to stop human rights abuses? sure.[/QUOTE] Is that your point or are you done? If so, take your nickname and leave. [QUOTE=iFail;34571013]And either way the point is irrelevant, it's not about the government's interests, this thread happens to be about a marine who clearly did have an altruistic interest.[/QUOTE] If he did indeed have an altruistic interest in the situation, he would have disobeyed the order to deploy.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34571005]you realize the USA was perfectly fine with the taliban until 9/11? not only fine with the taliban, but actively supplied them with weapons. if you think the afghanistan war was to protect civilians from islamic militants then you're incredibly naive. [editline]6th February 2012[/editline] 75% and 80% of civilian casualties? got anything to back those numbers up?[/QUOTE] [url]http://unama.unmissions.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1783&ctl=Details&mid=1882&ItemID=12602[/url] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-afghanistan-taliban-civilians-idUSTRE7A71ZK20111108[/url]

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34571034]Is that your point or are you done? If so, take your nickname and leave. If he did indeed have an altruistic interest in the situation, he would have disobeyed the order to deploy.[/QUOTE]Fucking hell, are you just a bad troll?

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34571034] If he did indeed have an altruistic interest in the situation, he would have disobeyed the order to deploy.[/QUOTE] because deploying to a foreign country that is unstable is clearly a bad thing? No way he could have seen a bad situation and decided to go do something about it [QUOTE=Isuzu;34571034]Is that your point or are you done? If so, take your nickname and leave.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you spent so much time actually thinking about what i said, instead of dismissing the logical consequences of your statement out of hand.

[QUOTE=iFail;34571046]because deploying to a foreign country that is unstable is clearly a bad thing? No way he could have seen a bad situation and decided to go do something about it[/QUOTE]No, obviously he was just a little budding serial killer who wants to go rape babies and murder children.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34571050]No, obviously he was just a little budding serial killer who wants to go rape babies and murder children.[/QUOTE] i was being sarcastic why are you also being sarcastic

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34571050]No, obviously he was just a little budding serial killer who wants to go rape babies and murder children.[/QUOTE] Obviously this, because he seems to think that anyone who's ever served in the military is a bad person

[QUOTE=iFail;34571046]because deploying to a foreign country that is unstable is clearly a bad thing? No way he could have seen a bad situation and decided to go do something about it[/QUOTE] By making it worse? What is wrong with you? Nobody cared about the Taliban before but suddenly the US have the inane idea to save the world from whatever scape goat they need to helplessly legitimize wars of aggression that serve no further point than to secure ressources and geo-locational strategic points. The way of thinking "Hm, there's people being oppressed, I should go in with my gun knowing next to absolutely nothing about their culture, social integrity, history and way of life but I guess it'll all be alright if I shoot people dead." is unfathomably flawed and pseudo-altruistic at best.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34571073]By making it worse? What is wrong with you? Nobody cared about the Taliban before but suddenly the US have the inane idea to save the world from whatever scape goat they need to helplessly legitimize wars of aggression that serve no further point than to secure ressources and geo-locational strategic points. The way of thinking "Hm, there's people being oppressed, I should go in with my gun knowing next to absolutely nothing about their culture, social integrity, history and way of life but I guess it'll all be alright if I shoot people dead." is unfathomably flawed and pseudo-altruistic at best.[/QUOTE] just because "nobody cared about the taliban before" doesn't mean nobody should start caring. There is a pretty clear need for security in afghanistan. maybe there wasn't earlier, but it's a bit late now, and by providing that security the US can make the best of the rather shitty situation. Also, your blind assumption that he was out there making things worse is obviously unsupported and rather silly at best. Most people don't deploy to afghanistan and then write a letter about making things better if they intend to fuck things up.

[QUOTE=iFail;34571082]just because "nobody cared about the taliban before" doesn't mean nobody should start caring. There is a pretty clear need for security in afghanistan. maybe there wasn't earlier, but it's a bit late now, and by providing that security the US can make the best of the rather shitty situation.[/QUOTE] What gives you any right to care? Why do you care about the taliban for example, but you do not care about chinas human rights abuse concerning tibetans? Why isn't the US engaged in supporting the tibetans who burn themselves in the streets because they see no other way to make their voices heard? Why isn't the US engaged in sustaining peace throughout africa? Haha oh yeah there's a big need for security in afghanistan, but I'll let you figure that one out yourself. Wait I'll give you a tip regarding your posts in this thread you might need it: Afghanistan and Iraq are more unsafe than they have ever been. Not only unsafe from Taliban agression but also from random agression by US military. Both countries are left torn apart in the dust and in the end, once the profit margin gets too slim, the US pulls out and the taliban come back. Nothing has changed instead of unnecessary casualties on all sides and a couple trillion dollars missing from your treasury in the hands of oil tycoons and the military industrial complex. Mission fucking accomplished, yeehaw.

[QUOTE=iFail;34571082]just because "nobody cared about the taliban before" doesn't mean nobody should start caring. There is a pretty clear need for security in afghanistan. maybe there wasn't earlier, but it's a bit late now, and by providing that security the US can make the best of the rather shitty situation. Also, your blind assumption that he was out there making things worse is obviously unsupported and rather silly at best. Most people don't deploy to afghanistan and then write a letter about making things better if they intend to fuck things up.[/QUOTE] so why isn't the USA in the fucked countries in africa? why isn't the USA in north korea? those countries had it alot worse than afghanistan, sure the taliban are/were fucked, but some of those countries make them look just peachy. the USA doesn't give a rats ass about afghanistans problems, they went there as a fucking political move by george bush. and it doesn't matter what he intended to do, he's a soldier, he does what he's told not what he intends. and guess what, what he's told to do makes the people of afghanistan despise him, not just him but everything he stands for, and thats why all he did was make the situation worse. no matter how many schools you build for orphans, those orphans will grow up knowing it was because of the USA that their daddies or their mommies died and they will hate them for it and that is why these terrorist cells get STRONGER not weaker with US occupation.