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You know, STEN SMGs can be made with like 5 parts right?[/QUOTE]
In WW2, the brits had schoolchildren build them in shop class.
[QUOTE=James*;17485744]So why doesn't every criminal in Britain have one[/QUOTE]
Because they were trash in their prime, and are going to be even worse today.
[QUOTE=James*;17485678]I covered this earlier[/QUOTE]
Doesn't cover anything to be honest.
I mean look at the UK/Britain people are getting stabbed left and right.
Take out guns, we'll stab each other, take out knives we will strangle each other.
Get my point? It doesn't matter if guns exist or not, we'll still kill each other
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;17485739]But people still die.
I'm sorry, but it's too late.
You can also defend yourself from other people with a gun, and save your own life.[/QUOTE]
You wouldn't need to defend yourself with a gun if the other person doesn't have one
My point about the STEN btw is that guns can be easily made by criminals as gunsmiths
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;17485687]No, what Lankist is saying that guns are dangerous objects, and should be treated with that respect. He said himself he owns 3.[/QUOTE]
I must have missed that one.
I've got a few firearms myself, and I always make sure that prior, and after handling that they are both unloaded and have nothing in the chamber. Ontop of proper maintenance to make sure said firearm is kept in top condition, minimizing the chance of misfires. Ontop of that, regardless of whether the firearm is empty or not, you ALWAYS keep the barrel pointed away from a person, and whatever you don't intend on shooting.
[QUOTE=James*;17485765]You wouldn't need to defend yourself with a gun if the other person doesn't have one[/QUOTE]
They may have a knife. I don't want to get in a knife fight when I can just pull out a gun, and I might not even have to shoot him.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17485763]Doesn't cover anything to be honest.
I mean look at the UK/Britain people are getting stabbed left and right.
Take out guns, we'll stab each other, take out knives we will strangle each other.
Get my point? It doesn't matter if guns exist or not, we'll still kill each other[/QUOTE]
But why make it easier
[QUOTE=James*;17485791]But why make it easier[/QUOTE]
Yet again, you think of a gun with simple violence
What happened to survival? Many guns were made for survival in the wild (such as small take down hunting rifles for pilots in 60s)
What happened to target practice? Many people own guns to shoot at a range.
You're the one who attaches only violence to the damn things.
You could apply that kind of logic to anything
BAN FORKS WE CAN STAB OUT EYES WITH THEM
Well, we can use forks to eat too.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;17485785]They may have a knife. I don't want to get in a knife fight when I can just pull out a gun, and I might not even have to shoot him.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. In a situation where your life is in jeopardy, I'd rather not give them even grounds, permitting a higher chance of them winning.
[QUOTE=James*;17485791]But why make it easier[/QUOTE]
Why not try to stop people from WANTING to kill each other, rather than being able to with ease?
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;17485811]Why not try to stop people from WANTING to kill each other, rather than being able to with ease?[/QUOTE]
That would be limiting Free Thought
People do killing because it's their Free thought, Free will, Free choice, Free action and Emotion
I'm sure that if we just stopped murdering, something bad was happening in our heads
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17485827]That would be limiting Free Thought
People do killing because it's their Free thought, Free will, Free choice, Free action and Emotion
I'm sure that if we just stopped murdering, something bad was happening in our heads[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying FORCE them to think this way. I'm saying showing them that violence is not a good answer.
Murder is driven by hate/mental issues. Hate is driven by difference. Difference is natural. We will never be able to stop murder.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;17485809]Yet again, you think of a gun with simple violence
What happened to survival? Many guns were made for survival in the wild (such as small take down hunting rifles for pilots in 60s)
What happened to target practice? Many people own guns to shoot at a range.
You're the one who attaches only violence to the damn things.
You could apply that kind of logic to anything
BAN FORKS WE CAN STAB OUT EYES WITH THEM
Well, we can use forks to eat too.[/QUOTE]
I understand that some people need guns and I am not arguing they shouldn't have them
If you just want to shoot at a range, keep the guns at the range? 90% of the population do not need a gun at home
[QUOTE=James*;17485847]I understand that some people need guns and I am not arguing they shouldn't have them
If you just want to shoot at a range, keep the guns at the range? 90% of the population do not need a gun at home[/QUOTE]
Now that I agree with
Sounds like we need more dispensers.
[QUOTE=James*;17485847]I understand that some people need guns and I am not arguing they shouldn't have them
If you just want to shoot at a range, keep the guns at the range? 90% of the population do not need a gun at home[/QUOTE]
Home defense. Plus, you can't customize a range's gun. If a range has a bad selection, you can't make the choices you want. It'd also be incredibly expensive for the ranges to buy their own firearms.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17485671]Besides killing, tell me what a gun is designed to do, hammer in nails? Pick things up? Tell me a function it performs besides spitting out a round at supersonic speeds.[/QUOTE]
Target shooting perhaps? There's an entire sport dedicated to shooting, hell it even holds a place at the Olympic games. They don't kill anything at the Olympic games. Think before you post.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17485646]There could be a round in the chamber, most people fail to notice that small detail until they see their child's brains on the wall.[/QUOTE]
Which is why if you know anything about firearm safety, you cycle the bolt or slide a couple times before you declare the weapon unloaded. Even after shooting, I always cycle my weapons a couple times just to make sure a cartridge isn't hanging out where it shouldn't be. Also, safeties were invented for a reason.
And Lankist, you make it sound like guns sporadically discharge while nobody is there to operate them.
Lankist is merely saying that you should never treat a gun as anything but a deadly object.
Pff who needs bullets when you have rocks..
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;17485915]Lankist is merely saying that you should never treat a gun as anything but a deadly object.[/QUOTE]
I know, but that's what it sounded like.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;17485884]Home defense. Plus, you can't customize a range's gun. If a range has a bad selection, you can't make the choices you want. It'd also be incredibly expensive for the ranges to buy their own firearms.[/QUOTE]
Do people really need guns for home defense? Really??
Seems a pretty paranoid way of thinking to be honest
[QUOTE=MR-X;17484926]As much as i enjoy shooting guns. They're dangerous, specially in untrained hands.
And to be honest i bet if you did have a gun pointed in your face you would shit yourself. I've been around a lot of guns and when people joke around and try to point them even when unloaded it bothers me.
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To be honest, I've had guns pointed in my face before. It makes me less nervous than someone waving a gun around because they don't understand safety. That's how people end up getting killed most often.
If someone hasn't shot you already by the time they have a gun in your face, it's pretty unlikely they're going to shoot you.
I really find the words "trained" and "untrained" funny. I'm "untrained" beyond having extensive experience around guns for pretty much all my life. Someone who just graduated from a police academy is less competent and less safe with a gun than I am. Anyone who doubts that, direct your attention to: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0[/url]
I'm still not going to call a gun dangerous. Because if I did I would have to label everything that's a potential weapon to be dangerous. Then to back up lankist's argument, extend that to getting anything that could be a potential weapon out of the hands of humans. It's just not logical or reasonable. I don't give a fuck what it's designed to do, that's just words, it has no affect on what actually is done with the object.
[QUOTE=James*;17485929]Do people really need guns for home defense? Really??
Seems a pretty paranoid way of thinking to be honest[/QUOTE]
It's always best to be sure. Would you rather have a gun and never need it, or not have one when you do?
Paranoid people live longer.
And the price issue for the range. Selection and such.
"Without bullets gun is just paper weight."
I think the heavy would say this, took out the "a" after "just"
and after bullets
[QUOTE=DrMortician;17485948]To be honest, I've had guns pointed in my face before. It makes me less nervous than someone waving a gun around because they don't understand safety. That's how people end up getting killed most often.
If someone hasn't shot you already by the time they have a gun in your face, it's pretty unlikely they're going to shoot you.
I really find the words "trained" and "untrained" funny. I'm "untrained" beyond having extensive experience around guns for pretty much all my life. Someone who just graduated from a police academy is less competent and less safe with a gun than I am. Anyone who doubts that, direct your attention to: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0[/url]
I'm still not going to call a gun dangerous. Because if I did I would have to label everything that's a potential weapon to be dangerous. Then to back up lansik's argument, extend that to getting anything that could be a potential weapon out of the hands of humans. It's just not logical or reasonable. I don't give a fuck what it's designed to do, that's just words, it has no affect on what actually is done with the object.[/QUOTE]
A gun is not a potential weapon
It IS a weapon
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17485646]There could be a round in the chamber, most people fail to notice that small detail until they see their child's brains on the wall.[/QUOTE]
All my guns have a round in the chamber.
What difference does that make if you aren't pointing it at people and pulling the trigger? None.
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[QUOTE=James*;17485971]A gun is not a potential weapon
It IS a weapon[/QUOTE]
So is a stick. Anything can be a weapon.
[QUOTE=James*;17485971]A gun is not a potential weapon
It IS a weapon[/QUOTE]
So is a sword. But those are legal.
[QUOTE=protoAuthor;17485958]It's always best to be sure. Would you rather have a gun and never need it, or not have one when you do?
Paranoid people live longer.
And the price issue for the range. Selection and such.[/QUOTE]
I don't own a gun and I manage to somehow not live in fear from being murdered in my bed, seeing as it doesn't happen very often
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