Steam's new gifting restrictions regarding VAC-enabled games
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50830996]Know the people you're sending shit to and don't make friends with people who hack. Or if you do make friends with people who hack, don't give them shit because they're going to get banned and you wasted your money on them anyway. Why would you want to buy something for someone you know will throw it away anyway?[/QUOTE]
i'm asking you how do you absolutely guarantee to yourself that the people you gift games to will never ever 100% cheat in the future.
am I supposed to run a background check on them now on my friends now? what if i trust them already? what if they break my trust? what if they lie to me and say they won't cheat but still will?
saying "don't make friends with cheaters" is a dumb argument because it assumes there's some foolproof way of ensuring none of your friends ever EVER does something stupid.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50830996]Know the people you're sending shit to and don't make friends with people who hack. Or if you do make friends with people who hack, don't give them shit because they're going to get banned and you wasted your money on them anyway. Why would you want to buy something for someone you know will throw it away anyway?[/QUOTE]
Are you a psychic or something, because I really need to know if my daddy will ever love me.
you know what's funny about this?
[url]http://steamrep.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsteamcommunity.com%2Fid%2FColdmute[/url]
look how many vac banned people he's friends with. He can't even avoid being friends with cheaters, but he expects everyone else to do it lmao
[t]http://i.imgur.com/A7hYvIM.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50831010]Except you did do something, you enabled a cheater by giving them something to cheat on. If you give CS:GO to someone who cheats, you've just given them the ability to ruin the game for others. You enabled that. If they couldn't get the game for themselves without your help, they can't fuck over others.[/QUOTE]
How did I enable a cheater by buying a game from a guy with tf2 keys lol
You're ludicrous
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50831004]Hey grinch can I refer to you for those visions of the future so I know who not to gift to?[/QUOTE]Sure. Don't give to shit to people you don't know and trust to not fuck around.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50831021]Sure. Don't give to shit to people you don't know and trust to not fuck around.[/QUOTE]
lol cause people never break each other's trust
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50831018]you know what's funny about this?
[url]http://steamrep.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsteamcommunity.com%2Fid%2FColdmute[/url]
look how many vac banned people he's friends with. He can't even avoid being friends with cheaters, but he expects everyone else to do it lmao[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure I removed about all of them on mine except 1 close facepuncher
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50831018]you know what's funny about this?
[url]http://steamrep.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsteamcommunity.com%2Fid%2FColdmute[/url]
look how many vac banned people he's friends with. He can't even avoid being friends with cheaters, but he expects everyone else to do it lmao[/QUOTE]I don't even know 98% of the people I'm friends with, but hey, you've actually given me a pretty handy tool to figure out who to remove. And you can use it to help figure out who to not gift to.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50830968]You're dodging. This doesn't stop a single person serious about cheating. "basic understanding" ridiculous[/QUOTE]
Obviously just interview all of your steam friends with a 200 questionnaire detailing many broad questions in order to get an understanding of their psychology and stance on cheating so that you don't accidentally get friends with one of those dirty fiends
[editline]4th August 2016[/editline]
jokes aside I can't believe someone would unfriend people just for teaming with a cheater
Jesus Christ lighten the fuck up mate
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50831025]I don't even know 98% of the people I'm friends with, but hey, you've actually given me a pretty handy tool to figure out who to remove. And you can use it to help figure out who to not gift to.[/QUOTE]
I expect you to block them all within the hour
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50831037]I expect you to block them all within the hour[/QUOTE]
he currently has 106 friends on steam. we'll see if that number goes down
-edit: ahaha, hes actually doing it. we actually got him to unfriend people over this
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50831037]I expect you to block them all within the hour[/QUOTE]Already done. Except undead, I'm not sure who that is and they don't show up in my friends list at all, so I can't actually get rid of them.
Internet fights: our modern day entertainment.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50831041]he currently has 106 friends on steam. we'll see if that number goes down
-edit: ahaha, hes actually doing it. we actually got him to unfriend people over this[/QUOTE]I talk to like ten of them with any vague regularity. Am I supposed to cry because I'm removing some guy I added a decade ago in a CS:S server who would go on to get a VAC banned and I haven't spoke to since 2006?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50831049]Already done. Except undead, I'm not sure who that is and they don't show up in my friends list at all, so I can't actually get rid of them.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/justgotrekt/[/url]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50831060][URL]http://steamcommunity.com/id/justgotrekt/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Steam rep updated with the name they changed to and I found them.
Like, seriously, what did you hope to accomplish with this little affair? That I'd somehow defend random pricks on my friends list I've quite possibly never even spoken to actually and look like a hypocrit?
if you legitimately think this is a good idea then think of it this way
imagine giving a friend you've known for a while your car or just selling your car to someone
ok, legally now it's bound under their name and their responsibility under their name
they get drunk, and then get pulled over
all of a sudden you get a court summons and they're suspending your licence permanently, no exceptions. You had nothing to do with it, but now you're being held responsible for some shit someone else did.
If you gift a game to someone, it isn't your fucking fault they cheated. Why revoke the right to gift that game now? How does this fix the problem?
You missed the guys who have banned friends, they can't be trusted
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50831080]You missed the guys who have banned friends, they can't be trusted[/QUOTE]I mean, really? You're this big of a manchild that you're gonna try that? I'm sure this was meant to make me look bad or like a joke, but fuck if this post right here isn't the biggest of the thread.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50831067]Steam rep updated with the name they changed to and I found them.
Like, seriously, what did you hope to accomplish with this little affair? That I'd somehow defend random pricks on my friends list I've quite possibly never even spoken to actually and look like a hypocrit?[/QUOTE]
Are all vac banned users bad or is that just an exaggerated use of language?
What makes them really all that terrible?
honestly, you should start interviewing all the remaining friends. how do you know none of them will ever cheat in the future? you should save yourself the worry and just interview them all to weed out any potential bad eggs right now.
I have a 7 year old ban, I have no right for an opinion.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50831097]Are all vac banned users bad or is that just an exaggerated use of language?
What makes them really all that terrible?[/QUOTE]I just use flippant language because I really don't care. Everyone's a prick or whatever term works at the moment. Prick, dude, guy, whatever male-gendered term I can't think of right now, person, them. I don't care that much about terminology like that.
[editline]4th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50831102]honestly, you should start interviewing all the remaining friends. how do you know none of them will ever cheat in the future? you should save yourself the worry and just interview them all to weed out any potential bad eggs right now.[/QUOTE]This is seriously getting pretty funny actually. Like, you were talking about me having some blind hatred and misinterpreting things, but you're losing your shit like you're going to lose your account and computer. Didn't you say you weren't gonna respond to me anymore?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50831095]I mean, really? You're this big of a manchild that you're gonna try that? I'm sure this was meant to make me look bad or like a joke, but fuck if this post right here isn't the biggest of the thread.[/QUOTE]
people are making jokes because the idea that you 'just know' who will be a cheater in the future is absurd
like what the fuck
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50830543]How does this punish legitimate users? It literally fucking doesn't unless they're massively irresponsible.[/QUOTE]
I don't care if you take NZT, there's no way you can know who you can't gift to. You can easily gift anyone something and they could end up cheating and you'd have no idea because you can't perfectly know everyone you gift something to. That's how this harms people who aren't abusing the system.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50831095]I mean, really? You're this big of a manchild that you're gonna try that? I'm sure this was meant to make me look bad or like a joke, but fuck if this post right here isn't the biggest of the thread.[/QUOTE]
Hey man you said they're massively irresponsible, not me. According to your mantra having irresponsible friends makes one irresponsible because they might cheat one day since they associate with cheaters
The solution is get them to convert and delete their cheater scum or be deleted clearly
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50831117]
This is seriously getting pretty funny actually. Like, you were talking about me having some blind hatred and misinterpreting things, but you're losing your shit like you're going to lose your account and computer. Didn't you say you weren't gonna respond to me anymore?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you but you are making the blind assumption that people can just magically understand the psychology of every online person they meet.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50831124]people are making jokes because the idea that you 'just know' who will be a cheater in the future is absurd[/QUOTE]You can't know everything about everyone. Which is why you have to take in trust. I don't trust everyone even those I know well. I'd never gift a game to my sister because I really don't trust her not to fuck around and possibly get banned.
[QUOTE]I don't care if you take NZT, there's no way you can know who you can't gift to. You can easily gift anyone something and they could end up cheating and you'd have no idea. That's how this harms people who aren't abusing the system.[/QUOTE]Every system of laws, regulations, whatever can hurt innocent people, it's called collateral and its unavoidable with literally everything. People playing Overwatch are getting banned because their sibling hacked on their account. Not most of them, but some. People on Facepunch have gotten banned because they were on the same IP as a perma'd user. When yawmwen got banned, his brother got banned as well. He was able to appeal to the mods and get unbanned, but it was also a very specific and far more personalized situation than dealing with the largest digital distribution platform in existence.
If innocent people are punished in any way, there's a problem with the system.
[QUOTE=The bird Man;50831143]If innocent people are punished in any way, there's a problem with the system.[/QUOTE]
I can't buy chicks games with trading old tf2 hats anymore so I am being punished
[QUOTE=J!NX;50831134]I don't know about you but you are making the blind assumption that people can just magically understand the psychology of every online person they meet.[/QUOTE]Not really at all actually. Just that if you don't know them well and trust them, you shouldn't be giving them games. That isn't saying you can or should try to do that with everyone on your friends list at all, its pretty much in the exact opposite direction from that really.
[editline]4th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50831136]just a casual reminder to zedacon that a current valve employee was once vac banned[/QUOTE]And?
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