PC Gaming being "held back" by Consoles says Crytek Boss - Polidicks

[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;26340524]not to mention map packs were free for the pc version[/QUOTE] What game are you talking about? Other than tf2(which is shit on consoles) I can't recall any other game that had free map packs on pc and paid ones on console. Ah right, there is waw, but I never liked it enough anyway.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;26340686]What game are you talking about? Other than tf2(which is shit on consoles) I can't recall any other game that had free map packs on pc and paid ones on console. Ah right, there is waw, but I never liked it enough anyway.[/QUOTE] a few mw packs and a lot of small updates that pc games get

[QUOTE=johan_sm;26340408]But I get actually fun games.[/QUOTE] Fun is subjective. If everyone thought the games weren't fun, no one would be using the platform for gaiming.

[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;26339917]Yeah, but people are going around getting really argumentative about how consoles will never be able to run Crysis as well as a PC could, and it's pretty damn obvious considering the costs. With a PC, the quality of your gaming experience pretty much depends on how powerful your computer is. Shitty PCs will play games in a shit way. With the Xbox, while it may not be as good as some PCs are, all Xboxes give out the same performance for quite a good price. Some PCs are better than the Xbox, some are worse.[/QUOTE] I spent 800$ on my computer, and guess what? I can play Mafia 2 maxed. 800$. That's what two of the original consoles together cost, cmon. Your argument is shit. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=johan_sm;26340408]But I get actually fun games.[/QUOTE] This is an arrogant and ignorant and just flat out stupid post.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26340876]I spent 800$ on my computer, and guess what? I can play Mafia 2 maxed. 800$. That's what two of the original consoles together cost, cmon. Your argument is shit. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] This is an arrogant and ignorant and just flat out stupid post.[/QUOTE] Over here that would buy you 3 xboxes. My argument isn't shit. Try building a PC for £150 that can match the 360's gaming performance. That's what my argument is. I'm not arguing about what the more expensive PCs can do, for the money, the Xbox 360 offers the best performance. It isn't possible to buy (at retail price) a computer for £150 that can beat the Xbox in gaming performance. That's my argument, and since it's true, it can't be called shit.

I guess this means the main platform of Crysis 2 aren't consoles. Amen to that.

With my Xbox, I can just go out and buy a game and know that the game will just go into the console and play. With my PC I have to worry about if my PC will be powerful enough to get the graphics/framerate balance right. Of course, PC is my platform of choice, but if I see a game like AC2 where the PC port got raped, I'd just get the 360 version.

PC gaming is something way different than console gaming. PC gaming and console gaming is being held back by idiot companies that seem to think that consoles and PC's are the basically the same thing. Stop producing the same games for multi-console+PC and start making separate games. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] This is why I love the Wii, Nintendo is not trying to make it a PC.

[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;26341932]Over here that would buy you 3 xboxes. My argument isn't shit. Try building a PC for £150 that can match the 360's gaming performance. That's what my argument is. I'm not arguing about what the more expensive PCs can do, for the money, the Xbox 360 offers the best performance. It isn't possible to buy (at retail price) a computer for £150 that can beat the Xbox in gaming performance. That's my argument, and since it's true, it can't be called shit.[/QUOTE] In the long run buying one pc for 500$ and upgrading it once every few years is cheaper then having to buy a whole system [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=BigSmokeDawg;26342090]With my Xbox, I can just go out and buy a game and know that the game will just go into the console and play. With my PC I have to worry about if my PC will be powerful enough to get the graphics/framerate balance right. Of course, PC is my platform of choice, but if I see a game like AC2 where the PC port got raped, I'd just get the 360 version.[/QUOTE] thats why you read the back of the box and as long as you got a pc within the last 4 years you should be able to play any game that came out for the pc

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;26342155]PC gaming is something way different than console gaming. [/QUOTE] Uh, they seem very similar to me. Both can play both kinds of games. [QUOTE=MrJazzy;26342155] PC gaming and console gaming is being held back by idiot companies that seem to think that consoles and PC's are the basically the same thing. Stop producing the same games for multi-console+PC and start making separate games. [/QUOTE] That would cost twice as much to develop and give half the profits. [QUOTE=MrJazzy;26342155] This is why I love the Wii, Nintendo is not trying to make it a PC.[/QUOTE] Because wii only has like 2 worthy titles that keep it alive. Other than that it's a junk console. Consoles are computers, ps3 shows that, or atleast it did before they blocked other os feature.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;26342416] Because wii only has like 2 worthy titles that keep it alive. Other than that it's a junk console. Consoles are computers, ps3 shows that, or atleast it did before they blocked other os feature.[/QUOTE] hey the wii has a lot of good games and yes its true that most of those good games are old franchises but its still fun

[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;26342504]hey the wii has a lot of good games and yes its true that most of those good games are old franchises but its still fun[/QUOTE] Yes it is, for a day or two.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;26343720]Yes it is, for a day or two.[/QUOTE] been playing my wii for years now because of no more heroes the legend of zelda the 100nds of mario games, donkey kong, the new sonic game, kirby, ssbb and a few other games

This is what I'm worried about with Battlefield 3. At the moment it's rumoured to be PC, PS3 & 360. I have a feeling it's going to mean that it will be exactly the same game on all three platforms. Most likely meaning all the good parts from BF2 will be missed out because the consoles can't handle them (Big maps, 64 player games, [b]Player controlled vehicles, jets, helis[/b], no commander and many restrictions in other areas.) Unless they do what they did before, and make a separate game for consoles (Like BF2: Modern Combat) then they will just port it across like all games seem to be nowadays (Saints Row 2, BFBC2 etc, I'm looking at you) which means the whole experience will be dumbed down, and I would much rather keep playing BF2. [sp]Even if it does have a dodgy hitbox[/sp]

I'm not anti-pc gaming (hell I'm on my gaming PC now) but I can definitely see the advantages of console gaming as opposed to it. On a console, I can play on a big-ass flatscreen, sitting back on a couch, chilling, which is an experience I can't get hunched over my keyboard. Plus, as I only earn £140 a month, and a large majority of that is bed and board, I'm very lucky I ever got this PC because of my great-uncles inheritance. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] admittedly, I don't have a big-ass flatscreen, or a couch, but that's neither hither nor thither

[QUOTE=johan_sm;26342416]Uh, they seem very similar to me. Both can play both kinds of games. That would cost twice as much to develop and give half the profits. Because wii only has like 2 worthy titles that keep it alive. Other than that it's a junk console. Consoles are computers, ps3 shows that, or atleast it did before they blocked other os feature.[/QUOTE] PC gaming to me has always been more about FPS, Strategy and that kind off stuff. Games were you need more buttons and options. It's also been very online-heavy. Consoles on the otherhand are more about racing, platforming, 3rd person games and the kind off stuff you can play with 1+ friend(s) at the same time. Also the Wii isn't the best console ever I know, but since I bought it about 2-3 years ago I still enjoy playing Wii Sports, Mario and Sonic Olympic Games, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Bros New and many other games. I love playing these kind off games with friends alot more than playing Call of Duty, Starcraft, Battlefield or those games online with them.

I could have sworn this was posted many, many months ago.

[QUOTE=Zeus;26338313]here's some footage of crysis groundbreaking AI [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJkCWQcZYKo[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vre1ABXbMoM&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE] Didn't they say their AI was as smart as the real Korean?

PC gaming is being held back because it's more convenient for companies to develop for consoles. They don't need to spent so much time finding bugs in the code base because they are only creating the game for a single set of hardware and test results are always consistent. The PC has a much wider range of hardware, and since game developers do such shoddy codework people will often find that games don't work properly on their hardware configuration. This is a huge pain in the ass for the game devlopers because they need to spend so much time doing patchwork for the PC version of the game. It's not "lazy" it's just the way things are done, Codework for games is generally done as quickly and sloppy as possible, which is acceptable for consoles, but doesn't work out quite as well for PC games. What is lazy is when a developer takes a game that was originally tested on the consoles, and then does barely any testing or optimization for the PC's hardware range, and you end up with what you call a "shitty console port" for the PC.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;26337597]Then those people don't deserve to be gamers?[/QUOTE] Fuck you. I don't "deserve to be a gamer" because I choose to buy a console? Because I want to play games online with my friends who also have xboxes? I'm not going to dispute the fact that PC is potentially more powerful, but my choice not to buy and maintain adequate computer shouldn't determine my worthiness to play the games I do pay for on the console I do buy.

PC gaming is great if you have an indefinite source of money for you to spend on your pc, however not everyone wants to spend £2000 just to play the newest games with bearable graphics.

One big plus on consoles is that I can trade and sell dvds. While on pc I can't.

[QUOTE=iPat;26344233]Fuck you. I don't "deserve to be a gamer" because I choose to buy a console? Because I want to play games online with my friends who also have xboxes? I'm not going to dispute the fact that PC is potentially more powerful, but my choice not to buy and maintain adequate computer shouldn't determine my worthiness to play the games I do pay for on the console I do buy.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry that a lot of people see it that way, but the fact that most PC games are sub-par because they were designed for the console in the first place, is a bit of a letdown. A PC game's potential is often really, really dumbed down because it was made with consoles and console gamers in mind.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;26344272]One big plus on consoles is that I can trade and sell dvds. While on pc I can't.[/QUOTE] I traded Fallout 3 for pc in.

Just release your game only to PC if you want it to have better graphics.

[QUOTE=johan_sm;26344272]One big plus on consoles is that I can trade and sell dvds. While on pc I can't.[/QUOTE] True even though places like game stop will not give you anything for your used games [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Fuhrer;26344339]Just release your game only to PC if you want it to have better graphics.[/QUOTE] people like money

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;26344177]What is lazy is when a developer takes a game that was originally tested on the consoles, and then does barely any testing or optimization for the PC's hardware range, and you end up with what you call a "shitty console port" for the PC.[/QUOTE] well yes that is true the interesting part is the fact that all games start on PC's, but people usually don't think ahead enough for the code the way "bad ports" come out is actually because developing for consoles is shit easy. you can use a shit load of optimization tricks and libraries and just basically copy-paste your way through optimization. rare did this for nintendo so a lot of people outside of rare got to use the same routines that rare developed for the n64. when it goes to PC, usually the development time is not only time limited but also cost limited so they spend little time rewritten the techniques and usually just reinterpret them. this is noticeable in PS3 ports; because the 360 and PC share the same platform, it's easier to migrate their function, while if a company is lazy and doesn't want to figure it out something potentially troubling while porting to OpenGl, they'll just cut it out. i wish everyone would just use OpenGl, idtech 5 proves it's perfectly fine [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] also not to mention, when you use a console, the pipeline is pretty much completely open so you can do some amazing things.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26344261]PC gaming is great if you have an indefinite source of money for you to spend on your pc, however not everyone wants to spend £2000 just to play the newest games with bearable graphics.[/QUOTE] I love how people still generalize like this If I bought a PC with that kind of money it would last me ten years

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26344261]PC gaming is great if you have an indefinite source of money for you to spend on your pc, however not everyone wants to spend £2000 just to play the newest games with bearable graphics.[/QUOTE] Im very poor and I have a pc and like I said before for 500$ you can get a pc that does the same as a ps3

I bought my computer for about 700 euros at the beginning of this year, and it's starting to get slightly outdated now. Mainly the graphic card.