Even Donald Trump is opposed to North Carolina's discriminatory "Bathroom Bill" HB2 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50178933]how is the guy who literally wants to bankrupt a foreign nation to pay for a wall, wants to ban muslims from entering the country, how is [B]that guy the least evil guy?[/B][/QUOTE] that's just shit talking to appeal to the lowest common denominator. remember when he said he'd run republican because republican voters are stupid? besides that, sanders voted against amber alert and clinton called a 12 year old girl who had been severely beaten and raped a mentally ill slut. I'd say those are more evil than a strict immigration policy

[QUOTE=butre;50179018]that's just shit talking to appeal to the lowest common denominator. remember when he said he'd run republican because republican voters are stupid? besides that, sanders voted against amber alert and clinton called a 12 year old girl who had been severely beaten and raped a "mentally ill slut"[/QUOTE] Oh I didn't realize you knew exactly what Trump was thinking and when he's lying. Please, share with us how you can discern his actual views and not things that are just "shit talking".

[QUOTE=butre;50176235]trump is very progressive as republicans go. have you actually followed his policies to formulate your own opinion or just parroted off what tumblr has told you about him?[/QUOTE] His entire stance on these issues is as follows : eh? He has no policy on these issues, which isn't really indicative of his support either way. This interview is a great example, he rambled on for a good 5 minutes about how it's States rights, yada yada yada, then he said it's bad for them economically and finally said it should be just left alone. That isn't the thoughts of someone who supports or opposes lgbt its the ramblings of someone who has most likely never had any personal experience with the issue and has never had to do any research on it either

[QUOTE=butre;50179018]that's just shit talking to appeal to the lowest common denominator. remember when he said he'd run republican because republican voters are stupid?[/QUOTE] This honestly seems really delusional. You're cherrypicking what trump says (like you claim others are doing) and dismissing everything else because "oh he's just pandering to extremists!" (which is even more batshit insane) and you're believing in misinformation. I looked up "trump saying republicans are stupid" and all I got were articles saying that was just a false meme, if you could provide a video of him saying that, then I will reverse that. I also looked up Sanders voting against the amber alert bill, I got an article explaining the situation really well while having a shitty outlook on the situation. Apparently in the Amber Alert bill, some politician added some really strange addition to it that had nothing to do with the Amber Alert bill. [quote]The reason Bernie Sanders gave for his no vote was the fact that one of the add-ons placed on the bill would restrict the discretion of federal judges in crafting sentences for a range of crimes. Sanders believed that sentencing provisions were a power that should rest with the judiciary and that having Congress involved was essentially an unconstitutional intrusion.[/quote] [url]http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/18/me-first-why-bernie-sanders-voted-against-protecting-children[/url] If you simplify that, then yes Sanders voted against the Amber Alert bill. If you look at the entire picture, Bernie Sanders voted against the Amber Alert bill because some politician inserted some bullshit in at the last second. Tell me, what does Bernie Sanders have to gain by voting against an Amber Alert bill because it's an Amber Alert bill? As for the clinton thing, that's a stupidly complex issue. I can't comment on that because I actually don't know what to think. From a moral standpoint, it's fucking terrible and I don't like her for it. Other standpoints can argue that.

[QUOTE=Ziron;50178108]I think it's interesting the differences between genders and races when it comes to the bathroom controversy. White 20-something men seem to be quite favorable towards it, shooting down anyone that complains. There are some dissenters, sure, but in most cases you can expect a white 20-something guy to be for it and fighting those against it the loudest. Older white men might be more against it, but I haven't seen too much of them. White women are much more divided on the issue. Single white women seem to be for it, but white women with daughters, young women relatives, or abuse victims seem to be very much against it, [B]citing the personal safety of themselves, their daughters, or their young women relatives as being much more important.[/B] Blacks, whether they be men or women, are against it.[/QUOTE] This is confusing me, are you saying against meaning against the discrimating bathroom bill, or meaning against the bill getting shutdown?

[QUOTE=OvB;50176657]The way Trump speaks is interesting to me. It's almost like you can hear his thought processes as he's talking. Like his mouth is saying words before his brain thinks about him. Often times it ends up with him saying his signature inflammatory bullshit. He's got a very distinct speaking style.[/QUOTE] He's actually quite a good speaker. His style is unique in that it's very easy to understand what he's saying, and he makes it very easy to agree with him as well.

[QUOTE=phygon;50182975]He's actually quite a good speaker. His style is unique in that it's very easy to understand what he's saying, and he makes it very easy to agree with him as well.[/QUOTE] It has an odd repetition to it, that I'm sure, to less educated voters, makes things sound much more clear and defined. However, while listening closely, you can tell it is just simply repetition to create authority. However, I don't think that makes him a good speaker per say. He just naturally has a very good voice for speaking.

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So Trump has walked back his "eh" and turned it into a "yes States should do this" [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-north-carolina-transgender-bathroom-law-election-2016/[/url] So all those interpolating that he stood for lgbt rights, no he is still a racist biggoted old white guy

[QUOTE=Revenge282;50183017]It has an odd repetition to it, that I'm sure, to less educated voters, makes things sound much more clear and defined. However, while listening closely, you can tell it is just simply repetition to create authority. However, I don't think that makes him a good speaker per say. He just naturally has a very good voice for speaking.[/QUOTE] The fact that he can say some of the ridiculous shit he has without any clear direction and still have voters support him means that he's a good speaker.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50183776]So Trump has walked back his "eh" and turned it into a "yes States should do this" [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-north-carolina-transgender-bathroom-law-election-2016/[/url] So all those interpolating that he stood for lgbt rights, no he is still a racist biggoted old white guy[/QUOTE] I totally called it. My name will henceforth be The Trump Whisperer

[QUOTE=Bobie;50176614]what? where did you get those facts [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/03/22/this-is-the-only-type-of-climate-change-donald-trump-believes-in/[/url] [url]https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform[/url] on civil liberties, he opposes abortion, gay marriage, will heavily defund planned parenthood and wants to bring back waterboarding. i don't like clinton, but if you want someone to maintain the status quo with varied progressive policies, clinton is pretty much your ideal match.[/QUOTE] Trump has for years said he hates abortion on a Personal level but he's willing to tolerate it, not only that but he's actually has called out the GOP for their extremist stance on abortion. Secondly as for Obamacare, he wants to repeal it yeah but he wants to keep the law that bars insurance companies from refusing to insure based on preexisting conditions, not only that but he wants to repeal the law that makes it illegal to get health insurance across state lines which currently leads to abusive monopolies and cartels in several states which had a field day due to Obamacare making it mandatory for people to buy insurance. Meanwhile knowing an intelligence guy, you realize torture is only used in extreme cases, like where the info is needed immediately on items that can be instantly verified; After that traditional interrogation techniques are only used since the US military knew as far back as 2002 torture is worthless for anything that can't be verified since people will lie and say what they think you want to hear to make it stop. And before you bring up Abu Ghrab, that was a National Guard unit commanded by a fucking sadist who was doing things that were even illegal under Military law for shits and giggles.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;50184142]Trump has for years said he hates abortion on a Personal level but he's willing to tolerate it, not only that but he's actually has called out the GOP for their extremist stance on abortion.[/QUOTE] That's a fairly vague, and ultimately meaningless statement in regards to the rights of women over their own bodies. [QUOTE]Secondly as for Obamacare, he wants to repeal it yeah but he wants to keep the law that bars insurance companies from refusing to insure based on preexisting conditions, not only that but he wants to repeal the law that makes it illegal to get health insurance across state lines which currently leads to abusive monopolies and cartels in several states which had a field day due to Obamacare making it mandatory for people to buy insurance.[/QUOTE] I'll need a source with a firm quote on the pre-existing bit. And as a person in the insurance industry, yeah, that could be a good thing having those borders open up. It however, doesn't mean it WILL be a good thing. Those insurers will have to spread their risk. That's not easy to do when there's as many companies vying for the market as there is. [QUOTE]Meanwhile knowing an intelligence guy, you realize torture is only used in extreme cases, like where the info is needed immediately on items that can be instantly verified; After that traditional interrogation techniques are only used since the US military knew as far back as 2002 torture is worthless for anything that can't be verified since people will lie and say what they think you want to hear to make it stop.[/QUOTE] Torture [B]shouldn't[/B] be used. It doesn't help. it doesn't give us info. it doesn't stop anything. Inversely, the US torturing people creates terrorists.

[QUOTE=butre;50176235]trump is very progressive as republicans go. have you actually followed his policies to formulate your own opinion or just parroted off what tumblr has told you about him?[/QUOTE] are you joking?

[QUOTE=shadow_oap;50176459]I'm willing to keep an open mind if it's Trump v Hillary. If Trump: -Publicly accepts climate change and is willing to work to push renewable energy (nuclear would fit him). -Won't completely destroy Obamacare, like pushing people off their insurance and getting rid of good things like pre-existing conditions and putting us back where we were or worse. -Is at least better on civil liberties than Hillary, although both are complete authoritarians on this, and protects net neutrality. It would probably be enough for me to sway for him.[/QUOTE] TBH if I had a promise that trump would forward nuclear energy I would be in the street holding a sign

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;50184412]TBH if I had a promise that trump would forward nuclear energy I would be in the street holding a sign[/QUOTE] He can promise it but as long as energy companies build plants solely on cost-benefit analysis, we aren't going to move on nuclear, it just doesn't make sense to spend 8-10 or even 10-20 years to get a plant online when a natural gas plant can be built in a year and scaled up or down easily. Fortunatly, coal has also suffered from this as many aging coal plants have been taken out of commission because they don't make sense to run. At this point nobody can even predict what energy costs will be in 10-15 years as the technology and thought processes behind the power grid are rapidly changing

I wouldnt worry about an immigration policy or a big wall [url]https://www.technologyreview.com/s/425278/down-on-the-farm-will-robots-replace-immigrant-labor/[/url] Robots will ensure they have no incentive to come at all. Wall not needed.

[QUOTE=upsideonion;50176895]i do agree most of trump's supporters are racist hilbillies who will believe anything he says, but what i'm saying is that their is far more trump hate everywhere you look being spewed out by lefties. you won't ever see an article by CNN telling you about how retarded bernie sanders looks or that he had a silly last name once upon a time. you won't see ever high school teachers showing their class videos of bernie or hillary fucking up their lines donald trump is an easy target to make fun of and the lefties use that as their main weapon to paste everywhere[/QUOTE] Sanders and Clinton have competent policys, or at the very least policys which are in some way or another feasible. Its really funny, I have saw a few people on here say things to the effect of " They give him a hard time because he isn't a very good speaker and the media is left wing". Ignoring the absolutely nonsensical policys he has said he would enact as president. [editline]23rd April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=butre;50176235]trump is very progressive as republicans go. have you actually followed his policies to formulate your own opinion or just parroted off what tumblr has told you about him?[/QUOTE] Yep, wanting to forcibly deport all 11.1 million illegal immigrants, ban Muslims from entering the US and suggesting that women who have had abortions be retroactively prosecuted. Even for the Republican Party he is off the rails to the right. Oh wait he objected to discrimination against Transgender people based on economic repercussions. Sorry nevermind [editline]23rd April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Broseph_;50184142]Trump has for years said he hates abortion on a Personal level but he's willing to tolerate it, not only that but he's actually has called out the GOP for their extremist stance on abortion. [/QUOTE] Yea and a few weeks ago he suggested that if abortion was banned women who have had one would face retroactive punishment. He literally is making shit up as he goes to please the crowd he is pandering too.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50177317]Not only are you flat out incorrect, but you're comparing "lefties" on the internet to CNN. Of course CNN won't run stories about funny names like people on the internet would. Instead, they'll just strategically ignore Bernie and post misleading polls and articles about how he can never beat Hillary. And "lefties" aren't the only ones spreading hate, go to r/The_Donald or any other conservative place and you'll see immense disdain for Bernie. [editline]21st April 2016[/editline] There's a stickied post at the top of the thread in r/The_Donald reassuring people that Trump isn't "a far left SJW fuckwit" / "a radical feminist cuck". Classy.[/QUOTE] christ, talk only semi positively about transgender or other lgbt issues and you get shit slung at you why are people so damn hateful

[QUOTE=Source;50176686]Trump is a transgender, i mean look at him his wig looks like the wind whisked all the hair off Miley Cyrus's muff and it landed on good old Donalds shiner.[/QUOTE] As soon as someone mentions the hair, you just know they have no better arguments

[QUOTE=Araknid;50188188]As soon as someone mentions the hair, you just know they have no better arguments[/QUOTE] People who are pro trump don't care about any logical argument levied against them

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50188191]People who are pro trump don't care about any logical argument levied against them[/QUOTE] Hey man, being this dismissive of others views is exactly why people are so politically divided. I'm a major Bernie supporter and I can't stand Trump but I have a good friend who does support Trump and he DOES care about logical arguments, he always maintains a level head and doesn't get upset or make it personal when people say they hate Trump or try to attack him. He's actually one of the best debaters I know, though he never makes it a point to change other peoples minds. Don't just generalize like that and be dismissive of other people, it makes them more dismissive of you.

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;50188230]Hey man, being this dismissive of others views is exactly why people are so politically divided. I'm a major Bernie supporter and I can't stand Trump but I have a good friend who does support Trump and he DOES care about logical arguments, he always maintains a level head and doesn't get upset or make it personal when people say they hate Trump or try to attack him. He's actually one of the best debaters I know, though he never makes it a point to change other peoples minds. Don't just generalize like that and be dismissive of other people, it makes them more dismissive of you.[/QUOTE] that's the problem though. I have that dismissive view from having argued with so many of them and having seen them reinforce that view that this is an emotional argument for them. No one can argue emotions away from the people having them.

[QUOTE=Araknid;50188188]As soon as someone mentions the hair, you just know they have no better arguments[/QUOTE] that joke was physically painful but it's still a joke, lol. this doesn't work as the "gotcha" moment you were hoping for because he never intended to make an argument in the first place

Not all Trump supporters are dumb, but I don't see how a Trump supporter could say people shouldn't insult Trump. Trump slings mud at people all the fucking time and yet there's this expectation that people shouldn't sling mud at him. It's absurd. He's reaping what he's sown and he deserves every ounce of it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50188278]Not all Trump supporters are dumb, but I don't see how a Trump supporter could say people shouldn't insult Trump. Trump slings mud at people all the fucking time and yet there's this expectation that people shouldn't sling mud at him. It's absurd. He's reaping what he's sown and he deserves every ounce of it.[/QUOTE] It's the same argument those insane anti-PC people sometimes make. "Political correctness is taking away our freedom of speech! If I say something racist no one should be allowed to call me out on it!"

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50188250]that's the problem though. I have that dismissive view from having argued with so many of them and having seen them reinforce that view that this is an emotional argument for them. No one can argue emotions away from the people having them.[/QUOTE] well you need to never let up and never be dismissive, don't stoop to others level I've seen good arguments from you, I know you can do it. I believe in you.