Dreadlocked student assaulted for ‘cultural appropriation’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50031139]I never understood the cultural appropriation thing. Sharing culture brings people together. Reinforcing stereotypes by telling people they can only abide by certain customs, dress, hair, behavior, etc. only exacerbates the problem and pushes people apart.[/QUOTE] one of the things hammered home in my anthropology books and classes is that it's not a bad thing at all, and just a result of contact between cultures. it ranges from the material (think the Romans for example, the Gladius was adopted from the Celtiberians) to the immaterial (language is a good example of this, English in its modern form is a bastardization of its old form with other languages - or just the Romantic languages being derived from Latin and Greek). im curious as to where the idea of "cultural appropriation is bad!!" really sprang from, since I was never given that impression. it's just the method in which cultures adapt or change, by taking things and ideas from others and using them for their own purpose.

[QUOTE=bdd458;50031200] im curious as to where the idea of "cultural appropriation is bad!!" really sprang from, since I was never given that impression.[/QUOTE] A shitty, over the top attempt at being politically correct thats gone too far?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50031116]Here's my little rant on PC culture Once upon a time, there were real issues. Blacks were assaulted for trying to go to college, sometimes even murdered. National guardsmen had to walk [I]children[/I] into school because people were so vicious that they would murder a child for trying to play with white children. College campuses became the battleground for social justice: women's rights, black rights, gay rights, vietnam war protests, etc. Then, everything started to get better. Blacks got voting rights, equal protection under the law, hiring quotas, etc. Women as well and gays are finally making progress! Everything is getting better! At the same time, bachelor's degrees became more expected from employees and the government made it easy to go to college! The once-great agoras of intellectualism and dissent are now manufacturing plants for degrees. There was also an intellectual shift; early-mid 20th century writers on political speech and freedom got replaced with mid-late 20th century french hacks called [I]The Postmodernists[/I]. These guys basically said that reality is a social construct. This means that there is no objective reality, no one true narrative or scope with which to view the world, only the narrative or scope you get to make up. Postmodernism, then, can be a synonym for "special-snowflake-ism". Suddenly being gay or black or a woman was no longer a biological fact, it was a [B]political identity[/B]. Identity politics is like when republicans hate democrats and democrats hate republicans, but instead of political parties, it's anybody not in your group. Since reality is socially constructed, anybody outside of your group or who disagrees with you is an affront to your own reality. Postmodernism can also, then, be a synonym for "narcissism", where you are the center of the universe and everything is an affront to your existence simply by existing. (a funny philosophical side note; postmodernism, above all, stands in opposition to the philosophy and binary dialectics of GWF Hegel, who wrote about exactly the scenario in which one persons existence seems to negate the Other's ego, leading to (violent) conflict) Because college professors are now teaching everyone that they're special snowflakes and they can form a political ideology based simply on their gender (or made up gender, for all the squirrel-kin out there), and because [B]any [/B]retard can go to college, [B]all[/B] the retards are going to college, saying "math is hard", studying humanities, learning about identity politics and saying "now it's okay to be a narcissist". I'm in college; I'm transferring to one of the most left-win colleges in my state. [B]I hate college[/B][/QUOTE] this is the posting equivalent of 'old man yells at cloud' I understand there is a problem with people presuming that a degree is necessary for success in life, but more people attending university is hardly a bad thing. Neither is teaching them about one of the most important academic developments of the last century. I mean, just because some people use it as a basis for weird, wacky shit like this doesn't make it a boogey-man.

The woman isn't being politically correct, she's just being a stuck up racist cunt.

Part of understanding cultural appropriation requires understanding that racism is NOT power + prejudice; it is simply prejudice. "Don't wear my culture's clothes/hair" is the equivalent of "I'm not racist, but I don't want my daughter to date black men; I want to preserve my white culture". Racism is a deeply complex issue. There are a lot of spoken and unspoken ideas going around. Here's an example: Asian people are more likely to date and marry whites than anybody darker than themselves. Asians are (mostly, of course not all) just about as racist (if not more racist) than white people. Latinos, similarly, have a lot of conflict with Blacks. When Black SJWs talk about racism against POC (people of color), they're talking about racism against blacks specifically. Blacks, Asians, and Latinos do NOT get along. The issue is more psychological than it has to do with society. I would even go as far to say that the races most preferred and given preferential treatment are east/southeast ("oriental") asians and whites, while south asians, and anybody darker than latino or persian are given less preferential treatment. Nearly all of society considers asian people more attractive than other races. White people enjoy Asian culture and food more than other races. It's like a conspiracy betwen whites and asians. However, SJWs don't want to think about this; they want the battle to be whites vs. everyone else, when they don't realize that each group is racist against the other, and not all members of each group is necessarily racist.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50031167]Well Assault is any action that makes a person feel their safety is at risk.[/QUOTE] It's only the third sentence in the quoted snippet of the article that the involved were not actually staff (which is another reason to question the validity of the video).

[QUOTE=Swebonny;50031232]The woman isn't being politically correct, she's just being a stuck up racist cunt.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that to her and her ilk, racism only works if you're the "dominant" group, and ergo you can't be racist against the "dominant".

I like the cameraman's response "For everyone's safety." I think that will be my reasoning if I'm ever filming a dispute in public.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;50031227]this is the posting equivalent of 'old man yells at cloud' I understand there is a problem with people presuming that a degree is necessary for success in life, but more people attending university is hardly a bad thing. Neither is teaching them about one of the most important academic developments of the last century. I mean, just because some people use it as a basis for weird, wacky shit like this doesn't make it a boogey-man.[/QUOTE] More people going to university definitely can be and is a bad thing. Some people are simply not intellectually fit to go to college. We complain about standardized testing a lot in the US, but we've found that standardized tests, including the SAT, are really good indicators of future academic performance. What scientists have found is that if you display one pattern of academic performance throughout some period of your life, you're likely to continue that same relative level of performance. 3rd grade reading levels are actually good indicators of whether or not someone will graduate college. But when we tell everyone that they can go to college, they do so, they drop out due to not being good enough for college, and then they have tens of thousands of dollars in student debt. At the same time, when unintelligent people go to college, they won't necessarily become more intelligent; they'll simply repeat back what is being told to them. Colleges (and schools in general) are really great places for crushing dissent and political diversity; professors and so-called intellectuals who teach vile, racist beliefs and mask them behind political correctness are simply indoctrinating a new generation of liberals. These people are incapable of thinking for themselves, they simply parrot back what smarter people say. And to answer your question: yes, I do think college should be more exclusive. I think college shouldn't be a magic paint brush we paint everyone in the workforce with and call them "qualified". College should be for people who genuinely want to study want to study what they're majoring in BEFORE they go into college. Instead, college has an entire culture surrounding it, making it an integral part of the American experience, and part of that culture is PC culture. I think the people that want to go to college but are simply not intelligent enough to go to college should go to trade schools instead. They'll make good money (better money than most college graduates, even), and it doesn't mean that they're stupid; it just means that they're not good at academics, book work, etc. I think college is a horrible place where individualism goes to die [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50031264]Keep in mind that to her and her ilk, racism only works if you're the "dominant" group, and ergo you can't be racist against the "dominant".[/QUOTE] Mention Asians to these people and see what their response is. Mention that asians make more money overall and are more educated overall. Also mention that Asians are more likely to date or marry people of the same or lighter skin color than they are to date or marry darker colored people. Then mention that Asian women are considered the most attractive by most races (especially whites), and that whites (and other races) are especially more interested in their culture than any other culture on this planet. Ask them, then, if Asians are racist. Ask them if Asians are being exploited by white people. Ask them if their narrative of racism involves Asians being "liberated" or if Asian people, who by most metrics are better off than white people in this country, would be welcomed into their university-sanctioned safe-spaces

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50031050]I think PC culture is more proof that bachelors degrees don't actually demonstrate intelligence[/QUOTE] Bachelor's degree is the new high school graduate diploma imo.

[IMG]http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/7/78/Goobacks09.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100310185820[/IMG] This is basically the only safe choice guys. We need to become one race with one culture. It's pretty sad when I can't go on the internet without being upset by people being mindlessly offended.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50031116]Here's my little rant on PC culture Once upon a time, there were real issues. Blacks were assaulted for trying to go to college, sometimes even murdered. National guardsmen had to walk [I]children[/I] into school because people were so vicious that they would murder a child for trying to play with white children. College campuses became the battleground for social justice: women's rights, black rights, gay rights, vietnam war protests, etc. Then, everything started to get better. Blacks got voting rights, equal protection under the law, hiring quotas, etc. Women as well and gays are finally making progress! Everything is getting better! At the same time, bachelor's degrees became more expected from employees and the government made it easy to go to college! The once-great agoras of intellectualism and dissent are now manufacturing plants for degrees. There was also an intellectual shift; early-mid 20th century writers on political speech and freedom got replaced with mid-late 20th century french hacks called [I]The Postmodernists[/I]. These guys basically said that reality is a social construct. This means that there is no objective reality, no one true narrative or scope with which to view the world, only the narrative or scope you get to make up. Postmodernism, then, can be a synonym for "special-snowflake-ism". Suddenly being gay or black or a woman was no longer a biological fact, it was a [B]political identity[/B]. Identity politics is like when republicans hate democrats and democrats hate republicans, but instead of political parties, it's anybody not in your group. Since reality is socially constructed, anybody outside of your group or who disagrees with you is an affront to your own reality. Postmodernism can also, then, be a synonym for "narcissism", where you are the center of the universe and everything is an affront to your existence simply by existing. (a funny philosophical side note; postmodernism, above all, stands in opposition to the philosophy and binary dialectics of GWF Hegel, who wrote about exactly the scenario in which one persons existence seems to negate the Other's ego, leading to (violent) conflict) Because college professors are now teaching everyone that they're special snowflakes and they can form a political ideology based simply on their gender (or made up gender, for all the squirrel-kin out there), and because [B]any [/B]retard can go to college, [B]all[/B] the retards are going to college, saying "math is hard", studying humanities, learning about identity politics and saying "now it's okay to be a narcissist". I'm in college; I'm transferring to one of the most left-win colleges in my state. [B]I hate college[/B][/QUOTE] You went on a rant over something that isn't even real Saying race is a social construct isn't saying "being black isn't biological", it's saying there are societal expectations, standards and biases when it comes to black people. Also I can't say anything for sexual identity but the idea of sexual identity in what we have now is very, very different to that of classical age civilizations. I think you're missing the fundamentals of what these people talk about. Yes there are some fucking morons who take it too far, yes not everything is sexist/racist/cultural appropriation and people apply these concepts in inappropriate ways, but the general ideas of it all makes some sense if you look into it. Just some people run really wild with them, I like to consider myself more moderate in this regard. It's all about exploring the type of biases against certain things you may have but you didn't really realize or put much thought into it. One aspect, but not all, of social science explores this stuff.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;50031307]Bachelor's degree is the new high school graduate diploma imo.[/QUOTE] Perhaps in the humanities fields. I improved a robotic swarm algorithm developed by Harvard scientists in my bachelor's degree. And I know most of my peers did quite advanced stuff. So that's not a very fair opinion I think.

Yeah, I will admit, generally you need a master's or more in most humanities fields to get anywhere. Not all though, a bachelor's in social sciences or psychology can get you work the social worker field. Bachelor's in History? Yeah, you're going to need to pursue a graduate degree.

[QUOTE=GarbageCan;50031343]You went on a rant over something that isn't even real Saying race is a social construct isn't saying "being black isn't biological", it's saying there are societal expectations, standards and biases when it comes to black people. Also I can't say anything for sexual identity but the idea of sexual identity in what we have now is very, very different to that of classical age civilizations.[/quote] While I agree that there are societal expectations when it comes to race, I want to address something about your sentiment(see below) [quote]I think you're missing the fundamentals of what these people talk about. Yes there are some fucking morons who take it too far, yes not everything is sexist/racist/cultural appropriation and people apply these concepts in inappropriate ways, but the general ideas of it all makes some sense if you look into it. Just some people run really wild with them, I like to consider myself more moderate in this regard. It's all about exploring the type of biases against certain things you may have but you didn't really realize or put much thought into it. One aspect, but not all, of social science explores this stuff.[/QUOTE] When it comes to race relations, I have met three groups: 1. Racists. Flat out white nationalists who want to kick out all the muslims. I have a few of these in my family but I have met very few 2. Liberal/Moderates. These guys want to make everybody equal; everybody has equal opportunities, nobody is judged by their race, and nobody gets special treatment. This is, admittedly, most people alive 3. SJWs. These guys are racists, but they're not white. There are a lot of these What I want to talk about is the idea that SJWs are the minority; I think they are; I think most people are not SJWs But I have met far too many of them and seen far too many of them organized to call them a small problem or a small force or "the squeeky wheel gets the oil". SJWs are a real, large, huge, political force of people who practice identity politics to mean what I had said in my original post; that the existence of one group negates the existence of another. These people want to reinstitute segregation, separate but equal, and everything we spent 50 years getting rid of, right up to Jim Crow laws. These people are a serious problem. Regardless of whether or not they're the majority, they can do serious damage. We can't let racism become mainstream.

[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;50031051]This looks fake as hell, but it's pretty much guaranteed to get tons of media attention.[/QUOTE] I go to this school and there are all sorts of this person said or that person said, as well as, before this video was taken, this happened or that happened. There's a bunch of conflicting stories on how the confrontation actually started. The huge mess coming from this video is how defensive both sides are to their point of views. [url]http://goldengatexpress.org/2016/03/29/video-of-student-center-confrontation-fuels-cultural-appropriation-controversy/[/url]

[QUOTE=Aznsniper911;50031427]I go to this school and there are all sorts of this person said or that person said, as well as, before this video was taken, this happened or that happened. There's a bunch of conflicting stories on how the confrontation actually started. The huge mess coming from this video is how defensive both sides are to their point of views. [url]http://goldengatexpress.org/2016/03/29/video-of-student-center-confrontation-fuels-cultural-appropriation-controversy/[/url][/QUOTE] There's a video in that article of the dreadlocks guy talking about the whole debacle. Just gonna post it here for people to see. [video=youtube;JQSJnE1dmG4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQSJnE1dmG4[/video]

[QUOTE=Swebonny;50031344]Perhaps in the humanities fields. I improved a robotic swarm algorithm developed by Harvard scientists in my bachelor's degree. And I know most of my peers did quite advanced stuff. So that's not a very fair opinion I think.[/QUOTE] I could tell you what I did for my master thesis in computer science as a counter argument, but it's too embarrassing.

i wonder if she is an active participant in "african" culture (as though africa has only one culture (which seems way more insensitive to me than a dude wearing dreadlocks))

that girl is just toxic... literally has the mindset of a child, what kind of wasted education has she gotten? we have racial harmony day here, basically a day where everyone dresses up in each other's cultural costume and pretty much just spend the whole day learning about each other through food, the arts etc. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] and since when were dreadlocks exclusively a blacks-only thing?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50030968]I guess that's the legal definition of assault, but grabbing an arm like that isn't really attacking someone, unless the video doesn't show all of it.[/QUOTE] In the UK itd be the apprehension of harm, battery is the actual infliction of harm. I guess the US has something similar.

[QUOTE=angelangel;50031605]that girl is just toxic... literally has the mindset of a child, what kind of wasted education has she gotten? we have racial harmony day here, basically a day where everyone dresses up in each other's cultural costume and pretty much just spend the whole day learning about each other through food, the arts etc. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] and since when were dreadlocks exclusively a blacks-only thing?[/QUOTE] It really reminds me of some gang mentality. She has gotten in with a reactionary and violent crowd who takes these opinions to the extreme, and are now harassing people for it. I genuinely feel sorry for her, I hope it won't consume her to the point that she won't have a normal life after college.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50031054]I honestly see no problem with people wanting to replicate certain elements of another culture. Great ideas are sometimes discovered in doing this. For example, Europeans wanted to replicate Chinese porcelain, so they tried to replicate the process with ingredients they had... In the end we did discover how to make hard-paste porcelain, BUT soft-paste porcelain was also discovered. During the American Revolution, the British sometimes had found themselves outgunned at long ranges by American riflemen wielding the Kentucky Long Rifle, in turn they began development of their own rifled muskets which were heavily inspired by the designs of the Kentucky Long Rifle. Several things can be stated has been "appropriated" or "taken" from other cultures, but realistically without doing things like this and sometimes going out of the norm of your own culture, humanities urges to better itself or learn from each other would be rather stagnant.[/QUOTE] exactly, i'm pretty sure the book fairs in april must come from saint jordi

[QUOTE=AntonioR;50031502]I could tell you what I did for my master thesis in computer science as a counter argument, but it's too embarrassing.[/QUOTE] share

[QUOTE=AntonioR;50031502]I could tell you what I did for my master thesis in computer science as a counter argument, but it's too embarrassing.[/QUOTE] Share :v: I'm gonna do my master soon, feeling quite lost.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50031283]More people going to university definitely can be and is a bad thing. Some people are simply not intellectually fit to go to college. We complain about standardized testing a lot in the US, but we've found that standardized tests, including the SAT, are really good indicators of future academic performance. What scientists have found is that if you display one pattern of academic performance throughout some period of your life, you're likely to continue that same relative level of performance. 3rd grade reading levels are actually good indicators of whether or not someone will graduate college. But when we tell everyone that they can go to college, they do so, they drop out due to not being good enough for college, and then they have tens of thousands of dollars in student debt. At the same time, when unintelligent people go to college, they won't necessarily become more intelligent; they'll simply repeat back what is being told to them. Colleges (and schools in general) are really great places for crushing dissent and political diversity; professors and so-called intellectuals who teach vile, racist beliefs and mask them behind political correctness are simply indoctrinating a new generation of liberals. These people are incapable of thinking for themselves, they simply parrot back what smarter people say. And to answer your question: yes, I do think college should be more exclusive. I think college shouldn't be a magic paint brush we paint everyone in the workforce with and call them "qualified". College should be for people who genuinely want to study want to study what they're majoring in BEFORE they go into college. Instead, college has an entire culture surrounding it, making it an integral part of the American experience, and part of that culture is PC culture. I think the people that want to go to college but are simply not intelligent enough to go to college should go to trade schools instead. They'll make good money (better money than most college graduates, even), and it doesn't mean that they're stupid; it just means that they're not good at academics, book work, etc. I think college is a horrible place where individualism goes to die [/QUOTE] This is the most bizarre mix between elitism and a paranoia/persecution complex. Universities have a minimum level of demonstrable academic ability to enter which obviously differs between institutions. Universities are not taking in people who they believe will be unable to meet the standard they require. Obviously people fail to meet this standard, but that's beside the point. People are more educated these days and there is an impetus to have a degree, hence more people enrolling in tertiary education. It's as simple as that. There's no conspiracy to make mindless drones of people in university. There is no conspiracy for professors with ulterior motives to indoctrinate people. Any university, professor or educator worth his/her/its salt would emphasise individual critical thought and evaluation. People absorb ideas, evaluate them against others and then decide that they prefer one over the other because it fits with their world-view more closely. I'm actually astounded you can say shit like [I]'when unintelligent people go to college, they won't necessarily become more intelligent; they'll simply repeat back what is being told to them. Colleges (and schools in general) are really great places for crushing dissent and political diversity; professors and so-called intellectuals who teach vile, racist beliefs and mask them behind political correctness are simply indoctrinating a new generation of liberals. '[/I] without seeing the irony of what you have said. It's a complete sweeping generalization with no basis apart from agreeing with how you see the world. If that isn't what the 'so-called intellectuals' you are raving about are supposedly doing then I don't know what to tell you. What makes you the special-petal that gets to decide who goes to university? I mean holy shit the kind of people you are ranting about only make up a small proportion of the entire tertiary population. Do you think they teach intersectionality in the Bachelors of Commerce that little Timmy needs to work in some office? Fuck no they don't. As I understand you are attending college yourself. I recommend following your own advice and attending a trade-school because you are showing a complete inability to critically evaluate your own opinions.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;50031933]This is the most bizarre mix between elitism and a paranoia/persecution complex. Universities have a minimum level of demonstrable academic ability to enter which obviously differs between institutions. Universities are not taking in people who they believe will be unable to meet the standard they require. Obviously people fail to meet this standard, but that's beside the point. People are more educated these days and there is an impetus to have a degree, hence more people enrolling in tertiary education. It's as simple as that. There's no conspiracy to make mindless drones of people in university. There is no conspiracy for professors with ulterior motives to indoctrinate people. Any university, professor or educator worth his/her/its salt would emphasise individual critical thought and evaluation. People absorb ideas, evaluate them against others and then decide that they prefer one over the other because it fits with their world-view more closely. I'm actually astounded you can say shit like [I]'when unintelligent people go to college, they won't necessarily become more intelligent; they'll simply repeat back what is being told to them. Colleges (and schools in general) are really great places for crushing dissent and political diversity; professors and so-called intellectuals who teach vile, racist beliefs and mask them behind political correctness are simply indoctrinating a new generation of liberals. '[/I] without seeing the irony of what you have said. It's a complete sweeping generalization with no basis apart from agreeing with how you see the world. If that isn't what the 'so-called intellectuals' you are raving about are supposedly doing then I don't know what to tell you. What makes you the special-petal that gets to decide who goes to university? I mean holy shit the kind of people you are ranting about only make up a small proportion of the entire tertiary population. Do you think they teach intersectionality in the Bachelors of Commerce that little Timmy needs to work in some office? Fuck no they don't. As I understand you are attending college yourself. I recommend following your own advice and attending a trade-school because you are showing a complete inability to critically evaluate your own opinions.[/QUOTE] I never said there's some conspiracy. You're just reading into that. I'm saying that college does not teach individuality, it teaches conformity with whatever liberal idea is popular at the time. You think the guy in the OP is the only white dude with dreadlocks on his campus? How many people with the sides shaved out of their heads or longboards do you see on a college campus? What about girls with drab green jackets? You say any professor worthwhile will emphasize individual thought, but that's making a huge assumption that there are a lot of professors worth their paychecks. You're also making the assumptions that college professors care enough about their students' personal lives to give them any kind of life advice. No, college is just an educational institution like highschool. Schools are good for teaching skills and book knowledge and memorization, but not developing who you really are. Mark Twain said to never allow school to get in the way of your education. "I disagree with you so you must be stupid" Gee your degree is really paying for itself isn't it

Looks terribly fake. The recital-sounding slam poetry that he delivers is what gives it off.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50031150]the more cultural mixing the better[/QUOTE] there is a point at which this might result in the erasure or culture via dilution. it's important to keep things categorized and clearly expressed or things might get misrepresented or become global norms and as a result become culturally irrelevant. for example: the word "ok" or "okay" is pronounced and used the same exact way in every major language and has been for somewhere between 50-75 years. its origin is america but not many know this outside english speaking countries without looking it up. the word is now for all intents and purposes part of human culture rather than american culture.

It's really sad if this isn't fake and that's an actual employee I think white people should be able to wear dreadlocks - just because we can doesn't mean we should though, it always looks really fucking bad - every individual should retain the choice regardless of my personal opinion