Dreadlocked student assaulted for ‘cultural appropriation’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=_Axel;50034351]Then the problem lies more with people believing all Native Americans still live the way they did 200 years ago than with people dressing up as chieftains?[/QUOTE] Pretty much. It's more to do with stereotyping than anything else. But SJWs somehow turned into a big thing about not taking part in or borrowing ideas from other cultures at all, and in this particular case something that isn't even part of another groups culture since black people didn't invent dreadlocks.

What a stupid cunt, i hope she dies in a car accident. Let the man put his hair however he pleases [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting - calm down a bit." - Bradyns))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=cody8295;50034396]What a stupid cunt, i hope she dies in a car accident. Let the man put his hair however he pleases[/QUOTE] I hope she realizes how wrong her behavior is and makes amends.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50034372]Pretty much. It's more to do with stereotyping than anything else. But SJWs somehow turned into a big thing about not taking part in or borrowing ideas from other cultures at all, and in this particular case something that isn't even part of another groups culture since black people didn't invent dreadlocks.[/QUOTE] So if I, a white guy from Europe, dress up as a Native American from 1800 I have to put a disclaimer on it saying that I'm dressed up as a Native American from 200 years ago and not as a present Native American or else it's problematic? Because, what, some people might assume all Native Americans are like that today? This is fucking absurd. I'm not responsible for other people's ignorance. Like seriously, what the hell? If we follow this logic further, we should be super offended if a Native American today would wear a buckskin dress because that would make even more stupid people make stupid assumptions. Or is there some mental gymnastics to go around this?

[QUOTE=cody8295;50034396][B]What a stupid cunt, i hope she dies in a car accident.[/B] Let the man put his hair however he pleases[/QUOTE] relax

[QUOTE=cody8295;50034396]What a stupid cunt, i hope she dies in a car accident. Let the man put his hair however he pleases[/QUOTE] I agree. We should both meet up at a university and grab the arms of people who oppose our views and put our hands to the cameras.

[QUOTE=Qaus;50033610] i [I]like[/I] the current cultures that exist in the world.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, none of them will disappear in your life time, even at a current pace. The ones that will die out soon, would've disappeared anyway, there's nothing to be done for them. [editline]30th March 2016[/editline] Holy shit I should really check the pages before posting.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50034242]I think Cultural Appropriation is a very complex, multi-faceted issue that many people over simplify and use to attack others. I have not once, ever seen someone who culturally appropriates in a malicious way. It's almost always out of ignorance and admiration. The reason people culturally appropriate is because they use other cultures traditions as they enjoy or admire them without being aware of their cultural significance. Take, for instance, Native American Headdresses. In my opinion, it's very disrespectful for certain people to wear them because they are reserved for Native American men and elders that have earned the right to wear them. I doubt anyone who culturally appropriates them is doing so in an effort to be disrespectful, and if they were told why doing so is disrespectful they would apologize and not do so in the future. I think that cultural appropriation should be met not with hatred and vitriol, but with teaching the offender why doing what they're doing is disrespectful to the original culture that it originates from.[/QUOTE] Let's just forget the whole thing, because it's ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50034242]I think Cultural Appropriation is a very complex, multi-faceted issue that many people over simplify and use to attack others. I have not once, ever seen someone who culturally appropriates in a malicious way. It's almost always out of ignorance and admiration. The reason people culturally appropriate is because they use other cultures traditions as they enjoy or admire them without being aware of their cultural significance. Take, for instance, Native American Headdresses. In my opinion, it's very disrespectful for certain people to wear them because they are reserved for Native American men and elders that have earned the right to wear them. I doubt anyone who culturally appropriates them is doing so in an effort to be disrespectful, and if they were told why doing so is disrespectful they would apologize and not do so in the future. I think that cultural appropriation should be met not with hatred and vitriol, but with teaching the offender why doing what they're doing is disrespectful to the original culture that it originates from.[/QUOTE] I think that's an important point to be realized; cultural appropriation and white privilege doesn't necessarily amount to malicious intent. However feigning ignorance to the fact that both those issues are inherently complex due to a number of factors isn't helping either. I often see too many people try to simplify issues in a really condescending manner, and don't understand they are practicing a form of oppression that comes from a position of privilege being able to say that. Nobody should act as a voice for other communities, dialogue and listening is important though. Immediately dismissing any conversation because it feels like a personal attack, or it doesn't affect you is bad. And this story.. well I don't know what to make of it, y'all can't tell me you didn't cringe from what this kid was saying either. The rhetoric he was spewing was forced and although the girl might have approached him disrespectfully, this shit was definitely blown way out of proportion. I think the girl using cultural appropriation in this situation didn't make sense. When black people talk about dreading their hair and how they feel exasperated when they see somebody white is because a lot of black people feel it's unfair that portrayal of their natural hair is often times taken at issue. It's hard for black people to grow their hair out in a natural way, dreadlock/braid it or whatever without their being some stigma attached to it. I have a friend who can't grow his hair out simply because he's very self aware when he's interviewing for jobs, there will be an immediate bias against him based on his appearance. On his natural appearance, I think some people in the black community take issue with that. That's not to say this idiot wouldn't look stupid and draw some negative bias as well for different reasons, but I think for the black community it's an issue because it's their natural appearance and there feels a need to conform and cut their hair in order to suit what white society deems as an acceptable appearance? While kids like this just do it for fun and go out of their way to look that way, I suppose it draws on some underlying issues of black image in society So I guess I'm trying to say is cultural appropriation isn't the right word for this situation, maybe something like eurocentricity being so major in almost all facets of our lives that we're exposed to that situations like this make people in the community feel jilted? I don't know, I'm just grasping here and having a hard time forming my thoughts into something cohesive. I'm sure there's a simpler or better way to put this, or even a term for it.

I attended SFSU last year, stuff like this, free Palestine rallies, religious nutjobs with loudspeakers ranting about the sinful gays, and BLM types in front of the student center/union/store was par for the course

[QUOTE=cody8295;50034396]What a stupid cunt, i hope she dies in a car accident. Let the man put his hair however he pleases[/QUOTE] wow that's not a loaded sentence at all.

None of this is truly about racism, gender rights, cultural appropriation or anything else. It's about the media creating a nation of victims so that they call out to big government to save them by implementing police-state thought-control laws.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50034396]What a stupid cunt, i hope she dies in a car accident. Let the man put his hair however he pleases[/QUOTE] This is a pretty disgusting post in all honesty. I mean yeah it's petty, but what you're doing is pretty much stooping to her level of being nasty towards others.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50036044]This is a pretty disgusting post in all honesty. I mean yeah it's petty, but what you're doing is pretty much stooping to her level of being nasty towards others.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, anybody who tries so viciously to change the trivial habits of another deserves nothing but suffering. Long, agonizing suffering

[QUOTE=cody8295;50036095]In my opinion, anybody who tries so viciously to change the trivial habits of another deserves nothing but suffering. Long, agonizing suffering[/QUOTE] Ohh, you're one of those people who acts like you're fighting for justice/a good cause because you don't want to openly admit your sadistic impulses right? Like if you saw someone, I don't know, appropriating a hairstyle or doing something else that you saw as wrong, you would assault them?

[QUOTE=cody8295;50036095]In my opinion, anybody who tries so viciously to change the trivial habits of another deserves nothing but suffering. Long, agonizing suffering[/QUOTE] Deserve? Somebody who punched another after shouting at them deserves long agonizing suffering? Does this not include much of the human population at any one point in time? Do you really think that the girl in that video should die in a car wreck for her actions in that video?

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50030999]Even if we buy into cultural appropriation being a problem, which I actually do think it is.[/QUOTE] It's not as you're a human, they're a human, and everyone is a human. Culturals is for the history books now as with the internet we are just one big culture. Sadly it seems stupid people are the thing that fuels that right now. Cody took it too far but his idea is right people like that should be shunned from society.

[QUOTE=lum1naire;50034823]And this story.. well I don't know what to make of it, y'all can't tell me you didn't cringe from what this kid was saying either. The rhetoric he was spewing was forced and although the girl might have approached him disrespectfully, this shit was definitely blown way out of proportion. I think the girl using cultural appropriation in this situation didn't make sense. When black people talk about dreading their hair and how they feel exasperated when they see somebody white is because a lot of black people feel it's unfair that portrayal of their natural hair is often times taken at issue. It's hard for black people to grow their hair out in a natural way, dreadlock/braid it or whatever without their being some stigma attached to it. I have a friend who can't grow his hair out simply because he's very self aware when he's interviewing for jobs, there will be an immediate bias against him based on his appearance. On his natural appearance, I think some people in the black community take issue with that. That's not to say this idiot wouldn't look stupid and draw some negative bias as well for different reasons, but I think for the black community it's an issue because it's their natural appearance and there feels a need to conform and cut their hair in order to suit what white society deems as an acceptable appearance? While kids like this just do it for fun and go out of their way to look that way, I suppose it draws on some underlying issues of black image in society So I guess I'm trying to say is cultural appropriation isn't the right word for this situation, maybe something like eurocentricity being so major in almost all facets of our lives that we're exposed to that situations like this make people in the community feel jilted? I don't know, I'm just grasping here and having a hard time forming my thoughts into something cohesive. I'm sure there's a simpler or better way to put this, or even a term for it.[/QUOTE] That makes absolutely no sense. That white dude isn't responsible for any of the issues you mentioned. Taking things out on him because of a fucking hairstyle he chose to wear doesn't solve any problem, nor does him wearing dreadlocks create any. I get the idea of trying to play devil's advocate but there's simply no way to justify thinking having a certain hairstyle without belonging to a particular group is racist.

[QUOTE=lum1naire;50034823]I often see too many people try to simplify issues in a really condescending manner, and don't understand they are practicing a form of oppression that comes from a position of privilege being able to say that.[/QUOTE] Is this referring to white people taking things from other cultures (like this guy and his hairstyle)? As someone who has had their culture invaded by outsiders, I would agree it feels pretty shitty. I don't think using words like "opression" to describe it, however is very honest. I've never bought into this kind of rhetoric precisely for that reason. I understand how taking ideas and customs from other cultures can be offensive to those cultures, but the use of the word "opression" feels contrived. [QUOTE=lum1naire;50034823]It's hard for black people to grow their hair out in a natural way, dreadlock/braid it or whatever without their being some stigma attached to it. I have a friend who can't grow his hair out simply because he's very self aware when he's interviewing for jobs, there will be an immediate bias against him based on his appearance.[/QUOTE] I have a white friend who is in the same boat. He also doesn't want to grow his natural hair out because he's afraid of the stigma associated with being white and having long hair. I don't think suppressing your preferred (and natural) appearance is an issue faced solely by black people. [QUOTE=lum1naire;50034823]That's not to say this idiot wouldn't look stupid and draw some negative bias as well for different reasons, but I think for the black community it's an issue because it's their natural appearance and there feels a need to conform and cut their hair in order to suit what white society deems as an acceptable appearance? While kids like this just do it for fun and go out of their way to look that way[/QUOTE] Who cares what his motive is. If he wants to style his hair that way, the fact that he's white shouldn't be an issue. To say he can't wear his hair in that style because of that reason is racist, plain and simple.

[QUOTE=The Duke;50030969]America. Land known for it's mixing of world culture where mixing world culture is now frowned upon by some people because they said so.[/QUOTE] The same people who have to have their ass kissed by everyone I'll never walk on eggshells for anyone. Fuck em. If you don't like what you see stop looking..

[QUOTE=SashaWolf;50039892]Is this referring to white people taking things from other cultures (like this guy and his hairstyle)? As someone who has had their culture invaded by outsiders, I would agree it feels pretty shitty. I don't think using words like "opression" to describe it, however is very honest. I've never bought into this kind of rhetoric precisely for that reason. I understand how taking ideas and customs from other cultures can be offensive to those cultures, but the use of the word "opression" feels contrived. I have a white friend who is in the same boat. He also doesn't want to grow his natural hair out because he's afraid of the stigma associated with being white and having long hair. I don't think suppressing your preferred (and natural) appearance is an issue faced solely by black people. Who cares what his motive is. If he wants to style his hair that way, the fact that he's white shouldn't be an issue. To say he can't wear his hair in that style because of that reason is racist, plain and simple.[/QUOTE] i think you're all missing the point where I clearly state there was no malicious intent and that he didn't deserve this I was clearly trying to spark a conversation about issues around black image. All I see people here is van guarding for this kid and not looking at it from any other angles as if there aren't underlying issues as an extension of this. Not everything is black and white, we live in a complex society riddled with problems that aren't transparent. I couldn't care less about how this kid wears his hair, he looks stupid as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply trying to understand the problems that create the attitudes this girl is protruding. Because if you think this is a isolated instance or idea about white people wearing dreads, then you're wrong. And I can't accept ignoring and being completely apathetic to something a lot of people feel some type of way about. [editline]1st April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kylel999;50040664]The same people who have to have their ass kissed by everyone I'll never walk on eggshells for anyone. Fuck em. If you don't like what you see stop looking..[/QUOTE] how subversive and edgy of you i hope that pans out well

[QUOTE=lum1naire;50043475]i think you're all missing the point where I clearly state there was no malicious intent and that he didn't deserve this I was clearly trying to spark a conversation about issues around black image. All I see people here is van guarding for this kid and not looking at it from any other angles as if there aren't underlying issues as an extension of this. Not everything is black and white, we live in a complex society riddled with problems that aren't transparent. I couldn't care less about how this kid wears his hair, he looks stupid as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply trying to understand the problems that create the attitudes this girl is protruding.[/QUOTE] I don't think black image is really relevant to white people wearing dreadlocks though, is it? Besides, I'm fairly sure wearing dreadlocks while being white impacts your capacity to be hired just as much if not more. As I think you already mentionned it looks worse on white people and unless you're albino it shows you chose that hairstyle deliberately, too. Compare that to black people where it can be their natural hairstyle and it also looks better on them.

it's a good thing culture exists as a tangible, finite resource that exists in discrete units which can be physically stolen and depleted. because if that wasn't the case, the whole concept of appropriation would be completely laughable, right?

Am I the only one thinking she may have been trying to flirt with him in a kind of a faux-adversarial way? Look at the woman's face and expressions when she starts pulling him, and you'll see what I mean.

[QUOTE=juhana;50046331]Am I the only one thinking she may have been trying to flirt with him in a kind of a faux-adversarial way? [/QUOTE] ... yes. you are the only one.

[QUOTE=lum1naire;50043475]And I can't accept ignoring and being completely apathetic to something a lot of people feel some type of way about.[/QUOTE] The core issue here seems to be that an outsider chose a hair style associated with a group OP girl identifies with. In this case, dreads guy is being percieved as an outsider because he is not black. When someone's reason for being upset about something is because of someone's race, I find it pretty easy to be apathetic about it.

Yeah, she knows no one's going to do anything to a girl.

glad i attend a university where outstandingly vocal psuedo-liberals don't have such an influence

That cishet white male racist is wearing dreads without recognizing their cultural significance. Sure, other cultures had dreads, but black people [del]appropriated[/del] [I]adopted[/I] them in the 1950's as a sign of rebellion against white cultural dominance. The way he's wearing dreads doesn't respect how black people turned dreads into a symbol of fighting for their rights. He's also a sexist. Doesn't he know that women began wearing pants to rebel against culture telling them to only wear skirts and dresses? He's wearing a symbol of fighting against oppression without realizing its significance and taking it away from a minority group! He needs to shave his hair and take his pants off. Seriously though, anyone who cries "cultural appropriation" for something that exists in multiple cultures is just trying to get attention. You can't have "cultural appropriation" if the group you're supposedly appropriating took the thing from somewhere else. Just like how lighting candles in your house doesn't make you a bigot just because you're not using them in a specific religious fashion, or how Disney isn't racist because Japan was influenced by Snow White and started making anime.

Why anyone would wear dreads anyway is beyond me.