[QUOTE=Idi Amin;19985932]I like you guys, take these 3 of my finest child soldiers
[img]http://www.stolenchildhood.net/images/child_soldiers_uganda_children.jpg[/img]
they have served me well[/QUOTE]
[b]A challenger approaches[/b]
[img]http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ku-klux-klan.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=BloodyDragon;19985961][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3[/url][/QUOTE]
it takes more than several billions worth of tax payers money to come and back.
do you really think it's wise to invest?
ITT idiots who don't realize that theres more benefits to space exploration than "HURR HUUR GOLFING ON TEH MOON"
I'm done talking with you people, it's like trying to argue with a brick wall.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19985979]it takes more than several billions worth of tax payers money to come and back.
do you really think it's wise to invest?[/QUOTE]
what else have they been using the money for
[QUOTE=STREWTH_99;19985990]ITT idiots who don't realize that theres more benefits to space exploration than "HURR HUUR GOLFING ON TEH MOON"
I'm done talking with you people, it's like trying to argue with a brick wall.[/QUOTE]
ITT idiots who think traveling to a rock will instantly cure cancer and disease, then somehow cure the economy and save the human race.
It's ironic, because talking to you people is like trying to argue with a brick wall.
who said anything about instantly?
[QUOTE=Mikhail;19985968][b]A challenger approaches[/b]
[img]http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ku-klux-klan.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.gbmnews.com/News_Photos/101507/Ugandan_Military.jpg[/img]
TO WAR
[QUOTE=Saikotic;19985953]itt: the first time any of us see lankist remotely angry[/QUOTE]
You obviously don't visit Facepunch often. He needs a "devil's advocate" title.
[QUOTE=STREWTH_99;19985990]ITT idiots who don't realize that theres more benefits to space exploration than "HURR HUUR GOLFING ON TEH MOON"
I'm done talking with you people, it's like trying to argue with a brick wall.[/QUOTE]
Yes we can find the cure for cancer in some space rocks or some shit, it's a possibility. But do you know we have a problem we have to face [i]right now[/i]? Not in 10 years, not after we find and have sex with blue alien bitches. Like right, now. Not later. Right now.
No, we can't do it later damn it!
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;19986105]You obviously don't visit Facepunch often. He needs a "devil's advocate" title.[/QUOTE]
He isn't being a devil's advocate, all of his points make sense. Yours however, do not.
[QUOTE=Jund;19986119]He isn't being a devil's advocate, all of his points make sense. Yours however, do not.[/QUOTE]
Tell me what I said that doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;19983059]It's just a greater distance. You're very closed minded.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah also intense science, tech, and millions of miles. Other than that...
Wow, I'm happy we get to take money that's going to something useful and innovative and pump it into the war machine. Good choice America.
[QUOTE=Jund;19983440]Oh god, this thread is full of people who want to live in Mass Effect.[/QUOTE] Pffft. Star wars motherfucker.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19986105]You obviously don't visit Facepunch often. He needs a "devil's advocate" title.[/QUOTE]
satan = spending money to put a plastic dome on the moon as opposed to fixing the united states
[QUOTE=Lankist;19985117]uhh science =/= space.
I advocate scientific progress that can actually be used to do something useful.
There is nothing inherently scientific about space, it's just the fact that we know so little about it (because we don't need to know goddamn much at all about it) that makes it seem scientific.[/QUOTE]
Knowing about space would be a type of science.
Astronomy, astrophyics, aerospace engineering. etc.
There are things in space that would be very hard to find on other planets, especially different kinds of particles.
To truly know about the universe and how everything actually works, we need to know about space.
Simply saying that "we should feet african children" and not putting any interest in the future of science shows how closed minded you are.
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;19987219]satan = spending money to put a plastic dome on the moon as opposed to fixing the united states[/QUOTE]
So the money that was going towards that project is going to be the money to fix all of our problems?
Hallelujah!!!
I'm pretty sure America needs more than money to fix itself.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19986105]You obviously don't visit Facepunch often. He needs a "devil's advocate" title.[/QUOTE]
i do, i just don't really follow any of his posts
anyways back on topic, i want to visit space :3
[QUOTE=STREWTH_99;19984427]What happens if the cure for cancer and or the solution to world hunger is to be found on the moon or Mars, or to be discovered from the technologies that are sure to be developed for such endeavors? What then huh?[/QUOTE] I'm looking at my phone here and its saying thats fucking stupid. Weird.
ITT: a bunch of kids pissed off because they want to be Commander Shepard even though they'll never see anything remotely close to space within their lifetimes.
Boo fucking hoo.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;19987278]Knowing about space would be a type of science.
Astronomy, astrophyics, aerospace engineering. etc.
There are things in space that would be very hard to find on other planets, especially different kinds of particles.
To truly know about the universe and how everything actually works, we need to know about space.
Simply saying that "we should feet african children" and not putting any interest in the future of science shows how closed minded you are.[/QUOTE]
Since you're such an expert on the subject. Name these particles specifically. Their properties. And why they're so important to science that they're worth more than human lives.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;19987278]Knowing about space would be a type of science.
Astronomy, astrophyics, aerospace engineering. etc.
There are things in space that would be very hard to find on other planets, especially different kinds of particles.
To truly know about the universe and how everything actually works, we need to know about space.
Simply saying that "we should feet african children" and not putting any interest in the future of science shows how closed minded you are.[/QUOTE]
He's close minded? You're so hellbent on going to space that you're forgetting all the problem we have here and ignoring all the problem space travelling can have.
It's not god fucking Star Trek. If we discover space travel, there won't be an automatic world peace. When we colonize shit, there won't be an automatic world peace. I still have no idea at all where the science fiction writers got the idea that space travel will lead to all world peace.
It goes against everything a human being is. Unless we discover an alien version of United Nation, noting is going to change.
You have no proof we can colonize mars, and just to get Mars, we have to travel [b]9 Months[/b]. Do you realize how much of a logistical nightmare it would be to transport a civilization worth of supplies from nine months? Our colonists would starve. There's a reason why we never found aliens on these planets: [b] They can't sustain life. We don't have a real life version of GECK to make it all work either.[/b]
If we all have this fucking problem on Earth, what catastrophic problems will we have up there?
[QUOTE=Melkor;19987812]Since you're such an expert on the subject. Name these particles specifically. Their properties. And why they're so important to science that they're worth more than human lives.[/QUOTE]
Strange (strangelet interests me more), charm, top and bottom quarks, anti-matter and dark matter and dark energy, as far as I'm aware, some of which can be found in low concentration/created but none occur naturally here.
If I can name those off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others out there.
Why are they more important than human lives? They're probably not, but it's all relative to how much money you spend on these things. People would have the NASA budget cut to zero to save a few lives, effectively eliminating chances of going into space.
Therefore you will never really get to know more.
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[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19987934]He's close minded? You're so hellbent on going to space that you're forgetting all the problem we have here and ignoring all the problem space travelling can have.
It's not god fucking Star Trek. If we discover space travel, there won't be an automatic world peace. When we colonize shit, there won't be an automatic world peace. I still have no idea at all where the science fiction writers got the idea that space travel will lead to all world peace.
It goes against everything a human being is. Unless we discover an alien version of United Nation, noting is going to change.
You have no proof we can colonize mars, and just to get Mars, we have to travel [B]9 Months[/B]. Do you realize how much of a logistical nightmare it would be to transport a civilization worth of supplies from nine months? Our colonists would starve. There's a reason why we never found aliens on these planets: [B] They can't sustain life. We don't have a real life version of GECK to make it all work either.[/B]
If we all have this fucking problem on Earth, what catastrophic problems will we have up there?[/QUOTE]
You think I don't realize that?
People are so short-minded they never think of the future.
People have survived harder times than an economic crisis, at worst people will lose some jobs, people will be homeless but as a species we will survive.
However, if we continue to have the birth rates we have, we will not be able to live on this planet for much longer due to overpopulation.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;19988212]Strange (strangelet interests me more), charm, top and bottom quarks, anti-matter and dark matter and dark energy, as far as I'm aware, some of which can be found in low concentration/created but none occur naturally here.
If I can name those off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others out there.
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You think I don't realize that?
People are so short-minded they never think of the future.
People have survived harder times than an economic crisis, at worst people will lose some jobs, people will be homeless but as a species we will survive.
However, if we continue to have the birth rates we have, we will not be able to live on this planet for much longer due to overpopulation.[/QUOTE]
people are so short-minded, they think other is short-minded because they're [b]rational[/b].
It doesn't matter if we survive if our lifestyle is still shit. You do realize the time when we reached space was when we got OUT of the great depression yes? And it wasn't for "desire for glory and knowledge" either, it was to wave our dick in the Russian's face.
lol, it's called condoms, abortion, and education. All three lacking in a third world country, and you think we can magicially get past that using space travel?
Say, where are we gonna go? Mars? It takes 9 month, it's a desolate hellhole with no chance of colonization, and good luck trying to get a civilization worth of supplies from Earth to Mars in nine months without ship complication and colony starvation.
We're not short minded, you are. We're just being rational and thinking [b]everything through[/b] while you guys are just going "LOLOL, LET'S JUST GO TO SPACE FOR PARTICLES AND COLONIZATION FOR SCIENCE!".
This isn't a video game.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19987934]He's close minded? You're so hellbent on going to space that you're forgetting all the problem we have here and ignoring all the problem space travelling can have.
It's not god fucking Star Trek. If we discover space travel, there won't be an automatic world peace. When we colonize shit, there won't be an automatic world peace. I still have no idea at all where the science fiction writers got the idea that space travel will lead to all world peace.
It goes against everything a human being is. Unless we discover an alien version of United Nation, noting is going to change.
You have no proof we can colonize mars, and just to get Mars, we have to travel [b]9 Months[/b]. Do you realize how much of a logistical nightmare it would be to transport a civilization worth of supplies from nine months? Our colonists would starve. There's a reason why we never found aliens on these planets: [b] They can't sustain life. We don't have a real life version of GECK to make it all work either.[/b]
If we all have this fucking problem on Earth, what catastrophic problems will we have up there?[/QUOTE]
Let me dissect this post.
First of all, as I stated earlier, simply because we "gained" money from cancelling this project, how does that solve our problems? How does that solve the political state? Or international relations? I fail to see how it will even solve the economic position, given that it's just going into funding for war. And on that note, the United States spends more than a trillion dollars a year for war and war alone. Why the fuck don't we make some budget cuts in that department? I'm sure it's going to good use, seeing as it's blowing up goats in the middle eastern desert.
Nobody ever said space travel will lead to world peace. It's simply advancement for the human species. With new planet colonization also comes innovative new technology, new opportunities, and may I point out that one of the greatest joint efforts of the nation super powers is spaceward expansion.
Not human nature, huh? I suppose it wasn't human nature to colonize the other places of the Earth. I suppose all of our wandering ancestors went against their instinct to settle in nearly every habitable area of this planet. Outward expansion is natural to our species.
Once again, I'm going to relate this fallacious argument to that of an earlier age of exploration. Columbus and his contemporaries had no proof that what he was trying to do was going to work. His journey took about 3 months to cross the Atlantic alone. But this led to the discovery of America. Sure, colonizing a planet would be tough, but if we're not retarded about it the least we can do is plant a fucking garden. It's common sense to have a backup system to BACK YOU UP if something goes wrong. So, it will be tough. Should we neglect it because of that? Hell, let's just neglect all human advancement and innovation, after all, it takes time and energy.
Planet colonization is very valuable. It provides more land, resources, new opportunities of all forms. It promotes technological advancement, which requires money, which stimulates the economy. To simply dismiss it without any flicker of logical thought is ignorance. There's more than just an empty planet there, look deeper.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;19988212]Strange (strangelet interests me more), charm, top and bottom quarks, anti-matter and dark matter and dark energy, as far as I'm aware, some of which can be found in low concentration/created but none occur naturally here.
If I can name those off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others out there.
Why are they more important than human lives? They're probably not, but it's all relative to how much money you spend on these things. People would have the NASA budget cut to zero to save a few lives, effectively eliminating chances of going into space.
Therefore you will never really get to know more.[/QUOTE]
And what to you constitutes a few lives? A thousand? A million?
And what makes you think that Obama cancelling a US return to the moon will automatically cancel all space exploration forever. If you haven't noticed, we're in a global recession right now. And over a trillion dollars in debt.
[QUOTE=nickohlus;19988369]Let me dissect this post.
First of all, as I stated earlier, simply because we "gained" money from cancelling this project, how does that solve our problems? How does that solve the political state? Or international relations? I fail to see how it will even solve the economic position, given that it's just going into funding for war. And on that note, the United States spends more than a trillion dollars a year for war and war alone. Why the fuck don't we make some budget cuts in that department? I'm sure it's going to good use, seeing as it's blowing up goats in the middle eastern desert.
Nobody ever said space travel will lead to world peace. It's simply advancement for the human species. With new planet colonization also comes innovative new technology, new opportunities, and may I point out that one of the greatest joint efforts of the nation super powers is spaceward expansion.
Not human nature, huh? I suppose it wasn't human nature to colonize the other places of the Earth. I suppose all of our wandering ancestors went against their instinct to settle in nearly every habitable area of this planet. Outward expansion is natural to our species.
Once again, I'm going to relate this fallacious argument to that of an earlier age of exploration. Columbus and his contemporaries had no proof that what he was trying to do was going to work. His journey took about 3 months to cross the Atlantic alone. But this led to the discovery of America. Sure, colonizing a planet would be tough, but if we're not retarded about it the least we can do is plant a fucking garden. It's common sense to have a backup system to BACK YOU UP if something goes wrong. So, it will be tough. Should we neglect it because of that? Hell, let's just neglect all human advancement and innovation, after all, it takes time and energy.
Planet colonization is very valuable. It provides more land, resources, new opportunities of all forms. It promotes technological advancement, which requires money, which stimulates the economy. To simply dismiss it without any flicker of logical thought is ignorance. There's more than just an empty planet there, look deeper.[/QUOTE]
[b] HOW.[/b]. Give me a proof that NASA said we can colonize planets. Go ahead, give me a link that says having us send people to a desolate wasteland for nine months is worth it.
I keep how we can get innovations from colonizing planets when we won't even reach that in our lifetime. How the fuck are we going to turn a lack of oxygen duststorm planet into a habitable one?
This isn't god damn video game. You can't just click "SPACE COLONIZATION" button then wait 5 minutes for it to finish and you can instantly colonize planets. It doesn't work that way. Let me guess, you find Hearts of Iron a very good simulation of WW2?
No, re-read it. I said it wasn't human nature to have world and outstanding peace, we'll always war over the stupidest thing.
And holy shit, you did not just insult our awesome explorers. Are you implying our explorers were retards? They had a [b]theory[/b] that just because an ocean stands between their continents didn't necessary mean everything is different. He thought that because anyone who wasn't a crazy Christian knew that this whole fractured country was in one place, therefore habitable like his country.
Everything is different in space. It takes way longer to travel there, almost impossible to colonize (there's a reason why our Rover didn't find shit by the way), and impossible NOT to have a logistical nightmare.
You have no evidence or proof for anything you practically said.
Back it up, show me official links from official non-crazy scientists that says we CAN colonize planets and get innovation.
A lot of you guys aren't realizing that the new Moon landing wasn't going to happen anyway, none of the hardware currently exists in any meaningful form. The lander and rocket to carry it are just on paper. Bush didn't bother to raise their budget to actually accomplish all this shit. So, we get to spend a lot less to get people into space by going private, get another decade of use from the ISS, and get to dump a sizable amount of money into actual new technology, not this "Shuttle-derived" bullshit they were using to keep the empire of people that run the Shuttle launches in business. That was politics, not innovation.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19988294]people are so short-minded, they think other is short-minded because they're [B]rational[/B].
It doesn't matter if we survive if our lifestyle is still shit. You do realize the time when we reached space was when we got OUT of the great depression yes? And it wasn't for "desire for glory and knowledge" either, it was to wave our dick in the Russian's face.
lol, it's called condoms, abortion, and education. All three lacking in a third world country, and you think we can magicially get past that using space travel?
Say, where are we gonna go? Mars? It takes 9 month, it's a desolate hellhole with no chance of colonization, and good luck trying to get a civilization worth of supplies from Earth to Mars in nine months without ship complication and colony starvation.
We're not short minded, you are. We're just being rational and thinking [B]everything through[/B] while you guys are just going "LOLOL, LET'S JUST GO TO SPACE FOR PARTICLES AND COLONIZATION FOR SCIENCE!".
This isn't a video game.[/QUOTE]
The survival of people as a species is pretty much at stake here, our planet is turning to shit more and more everyday, melting ice caps, larger changes in global temperature, extinctions of species, mass deforestation, increasing desert size, pollution, all of these things turning our little Earth into a tainted shadow of what it used to be.
I was saying you should not cut all budgets of NASA to go into space, because space is the future is it not? Eventually human beings will go into space. At some undetermined point in the future.
If people used their money to feed the hungry instead of fuel innovation, where would we be today? If Queen Isabella and Henry the VII and whoever else didn't send explorers to visit the new world, there might be no America. If the rulers of those countries decided to feed the poor instead of have people explore the world would be different. Point is there will always be hungry people.
You might as well fund something like NASA since well, they're the explorers going to see the final frontier. Even if we only get to mars by the end of our lifetime, at least we are making progress. If you say space isn't the future then you're a fucking moron and pretty much everyone will tell you that.
Also, it's all fine and dandy to say "We'll give africans food and condoms and education" but you'd have to build infrastructure, build housing and schools, and places to grow food. You'd have to constantly send condoms, at least until they could buy their own (which I don't see happening considering the majority of Africa isn't suitable for farming, and it's been heavily mined for the last couple thousand years)
If we ever get the majority of our food supply from hydroponics, we won't even need farmland, all that will matter are things like minerals and water.
To be honest, I it'll most likely be harder to fix Africa than most people think.
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[QUOTE=Melkor;19988400]And what to you constitutes a few lives? A thousand? A million?
And what makes you think that Obama cancelling a US return to the moon will automatically cancel all space exploration forever. If you haven't noticed, we're in a global recession right now. And over a trillion dollars in debt.[/QUOTE]
I don't care about that kind of shit, cancelling a project here, cutting the budget a bit.
It's that people want to cut the budget entirely that bothers me.
know what, lets shoot a missle that drops off some of our atmoshere stuff and takes out mars atmosphere and we can just jump on mars with some sunflowers and a coogi sweatsuit like "what". GOOD IDEA RITE GUYS???
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;19988519]The survival of people as a species is pretty much at stake here, our planet is turning to shit more and more everyday, melting ice caps, larger changes in global temperature, extinctions of species, mass deforestation, increasing desert size, pollution, all of these things turning our little Earth into a tainted shadow of what it used to be.
I was saying you should not cut all budgets of NASA to go into space, because space is the future is it not? Eventually human beings will go into space. At some undetermined point in the future.
If people used their money to feed the hungry instead of fuel innovation, where would we be today? If Queen Isabella and Henry the VII and whoever else didn't send explorers to visit the new world, there might be no America. If the rulers of those countries decided to feed the poor instead of have people explore the world would be different. Point is there will always be hungry people.
You might as well fund something like NASA since well, they're the explorers going to see the final frontier. Even if we only get to mars by the end of our lifetime, at least we are making progress. If you say space isn't the future then you're a fucking moron and pretty much everyone will tell you that.
Also, it's all fine and dandy to say "We'll give africans food and condoms and education" but you'd have to build infrastructure, build housing and schools, and places to grow food. You'd have to constantly send condoms, at least until they could buy their own (which I don't see happening considering the majority of Africa isn't suitable for farming, and it's been heavily mined for the last couple thousand years)
If we ever get the majority of our food supply from hydroponics, we won't even need farmland, all that will matter are things like minerals and water.
To be honest, I it'll most likely be harder to fix Africa than most people think.[/QUOTE]
Great idea, let's not make any attempt to fix the problems on earth. Instead spend trillions upon trillions of dollars attempting to colonize a planet that if we succeed only the exceedingly wealthy will be able to afford to go to. Because it costs millions of dollars to send one rocket into space.
Oh, and Columbus didn't discover the new world out of exploration. He discovered it because he was looking for faster trade routes with India. The discovery was driven by capitalism. You should have learned this in kindergarten.
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