[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;19982136]Yeah and it would take a century to fill the money hole that was created trying to get there.[/QUOTE]
Money loss or watching our resources wittle away untill we're left with nothing. I know what I'd pick.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;19982150]The moon will not fix this. And neither will Mars.[/QUOTE]
you're stupid, i was replying to him not suggesting mars would fix that
[QUOTE=Armotekma;19982166]ahhaha
you're fucking stupid
i said there's too much concentration in large cities, like fucking tokyo, or new york[/QUOTE]
because we aren't spending enough money on scientific and agricultural expansion and sustaining our infrastructure
I just realized that more than half of Facepunch would make terrible politicians.
[QUOTE=RetaDepa;19982177]Money loss or watching our resources wittle away untill we're left with nothing. I know what I'd pick.[/QUOTE]
Iron isn't going to run out anytime soon don't worry.
[QUOTE=Dr. Jim Dean;19981865]It would be a benefit to science, and where would you be now without that?[/QUOTE]
There's actually a lot of debate among scientists whether it makes a difference for a space mission to be manned or not. They have learned more from launching satellites into deep space, landing rovers, and through the Hubble telescope than they have from physically being there.
If anything these sort of things are for pride purposes. It's not to say that there won't be any more manned missions- afaik they're probably going to do the same on Mars eventually, but what's the point of going to the moon again in light of the fact that money could be spent better elsewhere.
Again, it isn't like NASA is losing their funding. They just can't do what will be on the whole, a pointless return to the moon for pride purposes.
[QUOTE=RetaDepa;19982177]Money loss or watching our resources wittle away untill we're left with nothing. I know what I'd pick.[/QUOTE]
uhh spoiler: we aren't running out of resources.
spoiler: the vast majority of Earth is virgin and untouched.
spoiler: we can get enough resources from Earth to last us for thousands of years without ever reaching a point at which we would even have to begin considering space mining.
stop watching Star Wars. Come back to reality.
[QUOTE=Lankist;19982157]We do not have the technology to do that.
There is absolutely no point in going to Mars until we can do that cost-effectively, and AFTER we have solved the majority of problems here, on Earth, the only planet in the universe that actually fucking matters.[/QUOTE]
We're never going to "solve" war, poverty, hunger, disease, exploitation of the poor by the rich, or any of those social problems that have become just another part of human nature. Explain to me how NASA's $20b a year could instantly cure all these problems.
And even if we could, it wouldn't matter if a catastrophic war, plague, asteroid impact, or something else hit. Living off-world is the ultimate insurance policy for the human race, as it stands right now there are a staggering number of things that could bring the entire species to an abrupt end.
[QUOTE=Lankist;19982217]uhh spoiler: we aren't running out of resources.
spoiler: the vast majority of Earth is virgin and untouched.
spoiler: we can get enough resources from Earth to last us for thousands of years without ever reaching a point at which we would even have to begin considering space mining.
stop watching Star Wars. Come back to reality.[/QUOTE]
:love:
[QUOTE=RetaDepa;19982093]Apart from iron-rich rock, a possible outpost for the very first steps to asteroid mining, an overwhelming uptapped supply of aggregate, lots of clay, other metallic minerals etc.
Mars would be an environmental dream. You could mine resources extensively without any risk to wildlife or atmosphere. These are all speculations towards a future that most of us won't live to see, but it's these small steps we need to take in order to ensure that we can use what we have to the full extent.[/QUOTE]
I'm not so convinced with this small steps thing. This is space. If mining mars does become economically viable, it won't be for several hundred years. Remember, we thoght we'd be having holdays on the moon by now.
[QUOTE=Lankist;19981965]
we do not need to float our fat asses to mars in order to advance ourselves technologically and culturally.[/QUOTE]
Learning how to efficiently reach and colonize other planets is one of the most important things we can do as a species.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19982222]We're never going to "solve" war, poverty, hunger, disease, exploitation of the poor by the rich, or any of those social problems that have become just another part of human nature. Explain to me how NASA's $20b a year could instantly cure all these problems.
And even if we could, it wouldn't matter if a catastrophic war, plague, asteroid impact, or something else hit. Living off-world is the ultimate insurance policy for the human race, as it stands right now there are a staggering number of things that could bring the entire species to an abrupt end.[/QUOTE]
Just admit that you want to live in a sci-fi movie.
[QUOTE=don818;19981768]Obama is getting worse and worse. I hope that fucker does something that forces us to impeach him.[/QUOTE]
How about "I hope he learns bipartisanship doesn't work and improves"
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19982222]We're never going to "solve" war, poverty, hunger, disease, exploitation of the poor by the rich, or any of those social problems that have become just another part of human nature. Explain to me how NASA's $20b a year could instantly cure all these problems.
And even if we could, it wouldn't matter if a catastrophic war, plague, asteroid impact, or something else hit. Living off-world is the ultimate insurance policy for the human race, as it stands right now there are a staggering number of things that could bring the entire species to an abrupt end.[/QUOTE]
twenty billion dollars is enough to build an entire national infrastructure in a 3rd world country and put a small chunk of the world on track to meeting the rest of us here in 2010.
and you're saying we should put our dicks in mars sand because an asteroid might hit? Uhh, surprise, we don't even know how to create a self-sustaining colony several hundred kilometers from Earth, let alone hundreds of millions.
optimism
what a fucking load of shit that is
There's nothing to mine on Mars you couldn't find on Earth.
Asteroids, however, are a different story. There are 20 km long asteroids that pass near Earth which contain more gold, platinum, zinc, and silver than ever has or ever will be mined from the Earth's surface. Then there's space-based solar power and helium-3 fusion to consider.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19982253]Learning how to efficiently reach and colonize other planets is one of the most important things we can do as a species.[/QUOTE]
Says fucking who? Uneducated children in first world countries who haven't ever had to worry about dying of famine, sickness, starvation or exploitation?
You idiots watch too many movies.
[QUOTE=Lankist;19982267]twenty billion dollars is enough to build an entire national infrastructure in a 3rd world country and put a small chunk of the world on track to meeting the rest of us here in 2010.
and you're saying we should put our dicks in mars sand because an asteroid might hit? Uhh, surprise, we don't even know how to create a self-sustaining colony several hundred kilometers from Earth, let alone hundreds of millions.[/QUOTE]
uh
mars society bro
[QUOTE=Zeke129;19982253]Learning how to efficiently reach and colonize other planets is one of the most important things we can do as a species.[/QUOTE]
Really? Because I thought (like Lankist said) solving world hunger and poverty is one of the most important things we could do.
NAHHHH lets just use all the money to maybe reach a planet maybe someday
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;19981807]Yes Obama is a terrible president because he canceled something that costs unreal amounts of money that isn't needed during an economic crisis.[/QUOTE]
I agree but, I don't think it's useless
just not necessary at this time
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19982297]uh
mars society bro[/QUOTE]
Yeah p. sure they don't know how to permanently survive an asteroid impact either.
[QUOTE=Lankist;19982285]Says fucking who? Uneducated children in first world countries who haven't ever had to worry about dying of famine, sickness, starvation or exploitation?
You idiots watch too many movies.[/QUOTE]
because i had a choice where i was born, eh
[QUOTE=Lankist;19982267]twenty billion dollars is enough to build an entire national infrastructure in a 3rd world country and put a small chunk of the world on track to meeting the rest of us here in 2010.
and you're saying we should put our dicks in mars sand because an asteroid might hit? Uhh, surprise, we don't even know how to create a self-sustaining colony several hundred kilometers from Earth, let alone hundreds of millions.[/QUOTE]
Then maybe we should use some small slice of the money we spend invading, occupying, and oppressing other countries for their oil to do that, instead of shutting down an agency that has supplied the world with a constant flow of new technology for half a century.
We do know how, it's just a matter of spending the money to make it happen. The technology isn't that advanced, we already know how to survive in orbit. You're as on your own in orbit as you are on the Moon.
[QUOTE=Armotekma;19982331]because i had a choice where i was born, eh[/QUOTE]
No, but you do have the choice to stop acting like a conceited, selfish child and come greet the rest of us here on Planet Earth rather than living in a fantasy land bubble where space exploration is super important and there's absolutely nothing more important because really shit's just going so swell here right now.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19982274]There's nothing to mine on Mars you couldn't find on Earth.
Asteroids, however, are a different story. There are 20 km long asteroids that pass near Earth which contain more gold, platinum, zinc, and silver than ever has or ever will be mined from the Earth's surface. Then there's space-based solar power and helium-3 fusion to consider.[/QUOTE]
You've not been to Mars, how do you know that?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19982344]Then maybe we should use some small slice of the money we spend invading, occupying, and oppressing other countries for their oil to do that, instead of shutting down an agency that has supplied the world with a constant flow of new technology for half a century. [/QUOTE]
Or maybe we should do both.
You act as though those two suggestions are mutually exclusive. They aren't and it does nothing to help your argument.
invade mars 4 oil 2017
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;19982312]Really? Because I thought (like Lankist said) solving world hunger and poverty is one of the most important things we could do.
NAHHHH lets just use all the money to maybe reach a planet maybe someday[/QUOTE]
it's never going to happen
humans are assholes, scum and dumbasses
there will always be humans that will kill, exploit, steal their way just to make a living for themselves, not giving a shit for the people they killed, stole from ect
[QUOTE=Armotekma;19982394]it's never going to happen
humans are assholes, scum and dumbasses
there will always be humans that will kill, exploit, steal their way just to make a living for themselves, not giving a shit for the people they killed, stole from ect[/QUOTE]
But a man can dream.
[QUOTE=radioactive;19982378]You've not been to Mars, how do you know that?[/QUOTE]
Science, fool. We have these things called probes with mass spectrometers, we don't need to land and go at it with a shovel to know what's there.
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