Last Member of the Enola Gay has died. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45550261]cite that pls[/QUOTE] I shouldn't have to disprove a myth, but look up MacArthur's dismissal by Truman. Its common knowledge that Truman made it up and then renounced his claim at the senate committee and said it was based on his "personal opinion". While MacArthur was no doubt a warmonger, Truman and Churchill wanted to get rid of MacArthur because of his political aspirations. This was just some dirt Truman made up.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45550416]I shouldn't have to disprove a myth, but look up MacArthur's dismissal by Truman. Its common knowledge that Truman made it up and then renounced his claim at the senate committee and said it was based on his "personal opinion".[/QUOTE] I can't find anything about Truman making false claims about MacArthur. Can you please cite that?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45550416]I shouldn't have to disprove a myth, but look up MacArthur's dismissal by Truman. Its common knowledge that Truman made it up and then renounced his claim at the senate committee and said it was based on his "personal opinion". While MacArthur was no doubt a warmonger, Truman and Churchill wanted to get rid of MacArthur because of his political aspirations. This was just some dirt Truman made up.[/QUOTE]Plus MacArthur was a constant fucking annoyance since WWI, he was basically the guy going "yo, yo, yo, this is going to happen if you don't shape up" every day, and then when it happens he gives you [i]that look[/i] that makes you want to punch him for being right. He was ambitious, yeah, but basically throughout the 20's and 30's he was constantly bitching about how we weren't ready for another war. That's literally why he got sent to the Pacific, the people in Washington were tired of him. What's worse is he was right about every single goddamn thing he said, which made everyone who didn't like him hate him that much more.

But he wanted to nuke the shit out of a chunk of Asia :v:

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;45550589]But he wanted to nuke the shit out of a chunk of Asia :v:[/QUOTE]To be honest, I've been guilty of that every single time I played Starcraft.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;45550699]To be honest, I've been guilty of that every single time I played Starcraft.[/QUOTE] That's fiction though. We're talking reality here.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;45550179]Adding to this, there were no other Alternatives. Put it in perspective of the American Government, mid summer of 1945. The Japanese populace is willing to resist tooth and nail against any Allied forces, and not only was there that to think about, there was also ANOTHER looming worry. See, Soviet Russia had just kicked Germany's teeth in, and in the process acquired half of Germany, and everything between Russia's half, and Russia herself. Now let's go back to early in the war after Hitler decided to go for broke and head for Russia. Russia, like Germany, was worried about a two front war; With Germany invading from the West, it wouldn't be a bad idea for Japan to come in from the East through Siberia. Luckily, through espionage, Stalin found that Japan was more concerned with Russian planted Chinese commies, resistance forces throughout the Pacific Islands and Southeast Asia, and of course the Allied Forces of the area (America, England, and Australia). As such Stalin was able to focus on defending, and eventually offending, against the Nazis. [B] Well now that Hitler was dead, and Berlin was theirs, Russia looked eastward and said "Hey! Those Americans and Chinese have pushed Japan back, and we now have half of Berlin to our own, and a bunch of proxy states, LET'S GO TO JAPAN AND TAKE HALF OF IT OURSELVES! Yes, a possible second Berlin Wall was very probably, so America had to choose between invasion or A-Bombs, to avoid Soviets getting their hands on Japan.[/B] [editline]30th July 2014[/editline] God I love being a history nerd.[/QUOTE] It ran a lot deeper than that as well. Stalin had pledged to Roosevelt at Yalta that the Soviets would enter the war in the pacific no later than 90 days after the end of the war in Europe and the Soviets had already informed Japan that the neutrality pact between the two nations would not be renewed. The Americans knew that the clock was ticking and that Soviet intervention was rapidly approaching. Whether they could have secured the Japanese home islands entirely before the Soviets managed to sweep through Manchuria and launch their own amphibious invasion is debatable. Given that Truman did not hold Stalin to the same confidence that Roosevelt had, and given that concerns were already arising that Stalin would not stick to the pledges he had made at Yalta and previous conferences once the war was concluded, you can be sure that the America had no intent of letting the Soviets divide Japan.

[QUOTE=Kinversulath;45551033]It ran a lot deeper than that as well. Stalin had pledged to Roosevelt at Yalta that the Soviets would enter the war in the pacific no later than 90 days after the end of the war in Europe and the Soviets had already informed Japan that the neutrality pact between the two nations would not be renewed. The Americans knew that the clock was ticking and that Soviet intervention was rapidly approaching. Whether they could have secured the Japanese home islands entirely before the Soviets managed to sweep through Manchuria and launch their own amphibious invasion is debatable. Given that Truman did not hold Stalin to the same confidence that Roosevelt had, and given that concerns were already arising that Stalin would not stick to the pledges he had made at Yalta and previous conferences once the war was concluded, you can be sure that the America had no intent of letting the Soviets divide Japan.[/QUOTE] This gives my history willy a boner.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;45550907]That's fiction though. We're talking reality here.[/QUOTE] (he's talking about his competitors)

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;45550907]That's fiction though. We're talking reality here.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m96qikFvMa1qlydob.jpg[/IMG] He's talking about his competitors, being from korea, kicking his ass. Though I don't think SC2 puts Americans up against Koreans due to latency stuff.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;45546958]correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe one of the men in the Enola Gay even said "what have we done", or something like that[/QUOTE] "Now we are all sons of bitches."

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45538481]No, you're 100% undoubtedly wrong. Japan had already lost the war but they refused to surrender. They didn't have enough food to support their populace because the US was nailing any ships heading out or into Japanese harbors. People were starving to death and parents were having to forgo feeding their youngest children. The starvation was so bad that it still has an effect on their culture over there. Japan was being raided on almost a daily basis by fighter-bombers that were shooting up anything and everything that could be deemed a military target; anything from a car to a fishing boat. They were suffering from bomb raids by B-29's that their fighters couldn't even reach in time before the bombers dropped their bomb loads. Tokyo was in ruins and most of Japan's factories were in ruins, but Japan still refused to give up the war. The US had plans for an invasion of Mainland Japan, called Operation downfall if you'd like to read up on it, that had casualty estimates in the millions on both sides. Because of the way the Japanese were at the time, every man woman and child would have been expected to fight the invading Americans, so it would have been absolute genocide. They were expecting 1.5 million US deaths within a few months of the invasion, and you can assume that the deaths of the Japanese there would have been much much much higher. The Russians were also on there way to Japan to finish what they started at the beginning of the war. Japan was stuck between 2 super powers and on the verge of starvation. By dropping those 2 bombs, the US saved millions and millions of lives.[/QUOTE] But they didn't occupy everything therefore they didn't achieve 100% warscore so it doesn't count :v:

[QUOTE=Griffster26;45561448]"Now we are all sons of bitches."[/QUOTE] That was Kenneth Bainbridge, a physicist working on the Manhattan Project.