Delhi gang rape suspects charged with kidnap, rape, and murder - could face death penalty - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;39079949]good. also, I dislike how threads like these always turn into an arguement about death penalty.[/QUOTE] It's always a mixed reaction, where half want the person want the person dead and the other half want them to stay alive thinking they'll rot in there and the other prisoners will treat them like shit. Quite frankly, you'd assume they'd have a horrible time for what they did in prison, but like I mentioned earlier, some of these guys thrive there. Plus you're paying taxes just to keep them alive as well. But that's just my personal opinion, I'd rather have them killed in an equal fashion for something as disgusting as this.

I still feel those Rapists deserve to be castrated for abusing their privileges of their dicks. I say they should be disembowel, castrated, decapitated, dismembered, have their eyes gouge out, tongues cut out, and set their remains on fire. Then their skeletons should be shit on, pissed on and then recycled into ashes and turn into soul stone where their soul will be eternally punished for all eternity. Nah, just joking. What i suggest may violate human rights but these 6 men don't deserve human right for what they did to the two women and one man. I rather have them face life imprisonment with their arms and legs shackled to concrete. Death is a freedom to them. Don't give these asshole death for when they die, they don't get punished.

[QUOTE=Cone;39079971]the Russian prison system is awful, and sending some dudes in for the express intention of either killing or degrading them would only encourage this. you don't want a prison full of angry, murderous people anywhere, so why would you put them in a position where the only result is precisely the one you don't want? the Indian guys would be dead, the inmates would grow even more detached from society, and absolutely nothing would have been solved.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure with the amount of criminals in prison, you can't stop bad behavior in them. When you throw a bunch of murderers and the like in there, I don't think there will be much improvement. Hell, some of these guys turn into career criminals and like being in prison. There's always going to be fucked up people out there, that's just the reality of it. [editline]3rd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BCell;39080016]I still feel those Rapists deserve to be castrated for abusing their privileges of their dicks. I say they should be disembowel, castrated, decapitated, dismembered, have their eyes gouge out, tongues cut out, and set their remains on fire. Then their skeletons should be shit on, pissed on and then recycled into ashes and turn into soul stone where their soul will be eternally punished for all eternity. Nah, just joking. What i suggest may violate human rights but these 6 men don't deserve human right for what they did to the two women and one man. I rather have them face life imprisonment with their arms and legs shackled to concrete. Death is a freedom to them. Don't give these asshole death for when they die, they don't get punished.[/QUOTE] I doubt they'd shackle their arms and legs, as much as I'd like something like that to happen, some people would probably bitch about human rights just to let them live comfortably.

[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;39079998]It's always a mixed reaction, where half want the person want the person dead and the other half want them to stay alive thinking they'll rot in there and the other prisoners will treat them like shit. Quite frankly, you'd assume they'd have a horrible time for what they did in prison, but like I mentioned earlier, some of these guys thrive there. Plus you're paying taxes just to keep them alive as well. But that's just my personal opinion, I'd rather have them killed in an equal fashion for something as disgusting as this.[/QUOTE] The Criminal Justice system should be based on reparations for the victim and rehabilitation or confinement of the perpetrator/s. Anything else, like the death penalty, is just revenge and evidence of a failed system.

[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;39079998]Plus you're paying taxes just to keep them alive as well.[/QUOTE] but you're paying just as much for the trial to take place to begin with. remember, you gotta fact check a metric fuckton of shit before you go lethally injecting some schmuck, and that's a process that takes time and money right there. and it's not like you can cut corners with this shit, because then you've got a higher risk of an innocent person being convicted and killed. [I]I[/I] think it's better to both not take the risk and save yourself something to the tune of 70,000 bucks, but hey, apparently that's just me.

[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;39080030]I'm pretty sure with the amount of criminals in prison, you can't stop bad behavior in them. When you throw a bunch of murderers and the like in there, I don't think there will be much improvement. Hell, some of these guys turn into career criminals and like being in prison. There's always going to be fucked up people out there, that's just the reality of it.[/QUOTE] I don't mind if people like it in prison as long as they stay there. First and foremost prison is about separating these people from society.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;39080057]The Criminal Justice system should be based on reparations for the victim and rehabilitation or confinement of the perpetrator/s. Anything else, like the death penalty, is just revenge and evidence of a failed system.[/QUOTE] True, most of the time I don't really support the death penalty for small stuff, but when it comes to people who commit acts like this or are serial killers, I see no hope for them and would rather have them dead.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;39079439]Good. If anyone deserves death its scum like them.[/QUOTE] [B]FP[/B] - [I]"The death penalty is a barbaric method of punishment that should not be used in the place of rehabilitation." "except during gang rape just kill em lol"[/I]

[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;39080079]True, most of the time I don't really support the death penalty for small stuff like 1 murder or something like that, but when it comes to people who commit acts like this or are serial killers, I see no hope for them and would rather have them dead.[/QUOTE] The justice system does not end where your feelings begin; it's supposed to be objective. If someone cannot be rehabilitated and are a clear danger to society, then they should be confined until it is seen, if ever, that they are fit to re-enter society, although under strict supervision.

[QUOTE=zeldar;39080086][B]FP[/B] - [I]"The death penalty is a barbaric method of punishment that should not be used in the place of rehabilitation." "except during gang rape just kill em lol"[/I][/QUOTE] FP isn't one person, why does everyone seem to thing this?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39080102]FP isn't one person, why does everyone seem to thing this?[/QUOTE] Regardless of how large and diverse a community is there will always be a general consensus.

[QUOTE=zeldar;39080108]Regardless of how large and diverse a community is there will always be a general consensus.[/QUOTE] Doesn't mean everyone agrees

[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;39080030]I'm pretty sure with the amount of criminals in prison, you can't stop bad behavior in them. When you throw a bunch of murderers and the like in there, I don't think there will be much improvement. Hell, some of these guys turn into career criminals and like being in prison. There's always going to be fucked up people out there, that's just the reality of it.[/QUOTE] well maybe if you didn't basically lock them in a concrete box with each other for a couple decades they'd be more willing to improve. I mean, it's only natural that they'd go crazy when they've more or less been forgotten by the rest of the world and left to fend for themselves. [QUOTE=VagueWisdom;39080030]I doubt they'd shackle their arms and legs, as much as I'd like something like that to happen, some people would probably bitch about human rights just to let them live comfortably.[/QUOTE] oh yeah, those fucking human rights activists! it's not like there's some [URL="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights"]big bunch of laws[/URL] or [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_life"]morals[/URL] that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_universalism"]we're meant to follow[/URL] or anything!

[QUOTE=zeldar;39080108]Regardless of how large and diverse a community is there will always be a general consensus.[/QUOTE] You can't judge a gaming community as one when it comes to something like opinions on death penalty. This is not a "pro-death penalty" forum so saying FP is for or against it is totally wrong and anyone who does that looks like an idiot.

[QUOTE=Cone;39080116]well maybe if you didn't basically lock them in a concrete box with each other for a couple decades they'd be more willing to improve. I mean, it's only natural that they'd go crazy when they've more or less been forgotten by the rest of the world and left to fend for themselves. oh yeah, those fucking human rights activists! it's not like there's some [URL="en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights"]big bunch of laws[/URL] or [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_life"]morals[/URL] that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_universalism"]we're meant to follow[/URL] or anything![/QUOTE] India needs to fix the conditions of the people who aren't criminals, never mind prison conditions.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;39080101]The justice system does not end where your feelings begin; it's supposed to be objective. If someone cannot be rehabilitated and are a clear danger to society, then they should be confined until it is seen, if ever, that they are fit to re-enter society, although under strict supervision.[/QUOTE] Well I know that, but there are some guys who can get past the system and get lucky. Sure, it's a small chance, but I only believe in the penalty only for serial killers or guys who do things such as this. Any other person who committed some act of murder without much brutality involved out of some domestic problem, etc. doesn't really deserve something like that. I only see the penalty for guys who have some serious issues and have no fit in society. Which is why my stance on the death penalty can be quite odd, I don't fully support it, it's only for a small minority that I think it should apply for.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39080114]Doesn't mean everyone agrees[/QUOTE] FP isn't a hivemind but I wouldn't call it religiously tolerant because of a quiet minority.

[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;39080145]Well I know that, but there are some guys who can get past the system and get lucky. Sure, it's a small chance, but I only believe in the penalty only for serial killers or guys who do things such as this. Any other person who committed some act of murder without much brutality involved out of some domestic problem, etc. doesn't really deserve something like that. I only see the penalty for guys who have some serious issues and have no fit in society.[/QUOTE] That's the point of confinement and rehabilitation though?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39080144]India needs to fix the conditions of the people who aren't criminals, never mind prison conditions.[/QUOTE] of course, but the fact that their conditions even need to be fixed in the first place isn't something that should be encouraged.

[QUOTE=zeldar;39080151]FP isn't a hivemind but I wouldn't call it religiously tolerant because of a quiet minority.[/QUOTE] They're not religiously intolerant either, there is more variation in opinion than you think.

[QUOTE=Cone;39079990]and I dislike how you guys always seem perfectly fine with encouraging archaic, money-wasting methods of dealing out justice. looks as if we're two sides of the same coin[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=VagueWisdom;39079998]It's always a mixed reaction, where half want the person want the person dead and the other half want them to stay alive thinking they'll rot in there and the other prisoners will treat them like shit. Quite frankly, you'd assume they'd have a horrible time for what they did in prison, but like I mentioned earlier, some of these guys thrive there. Plus you're paying taxes just to keep them alive as well. But that's just my personal opinion, I'd rather have them killed in an equal fashion for something as disgusting as this.[/QUOTE] Lol, I didnt even say if I supported it or not, if you have an opinion then that is fine, but don't cause and arguement about it.

Why not have more female children instead. India have way too many boys. The government of India should encourage Indians to have more baby girls. As a bonus for giving birth to a girl, they should be given incentive for having daughters.

[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;39080190]Lol, I didnt even say if I supported it or not, if you have an opinion then that is fine, but don't cause and arguement about it.[/QUOTE] It's just a small debate. We obviously have different opinions on it and can't really change each others minds, but it gives you perspective about stuff.

[QUOTE=BCell;39080195]Why not have more female children instead. India have way too many boys. The government of India should encourage Indians to have more baby girls. As a bonus for giving birth to a girl, they should be given incentive for having daughters.[/QUOTE] That's awful idea, ideas like that cause the kind of shit that happens in china where parents abandon their daughters because they want a son.

[QUOTE=BCell;39080195]Why not have more female children instead. India have way too many boys. The government of India should encourage Indians to have more baby girls. As a bonus for giving birth to a girl, they should be given incentive for having daughters.[/QUOTE] Do you want another China or something? That's horrible.

[QUOTE=BCell;39080195]Why not have more female children instead. India have way too many boys. The government of India should encourage Indians to have more baby girls. As a bonus for giving birth to a girl, they should be given incentive for having daughters.[/QUOTE] maybe it's somewhere embedded in religion/culture in the country where there is a preference to boys rather then girls? And as others said, look at China and how that turned out

[QUOTE=zeldar;39080108]Regardless of how large and diverse a community is there will always be a general consensus.[/QUOTE] Consensus is meaningless when you only took a single person as your sample of thousands. Stop being silly.

[QUOTE=BCell;39080195]Why not have more female children instead. India have way too many boys. The government of India should encourage Indians to have more baby girls. As a bonus for giving birth to a girl, they should be given incentive for having daughters.[/QUOTE] Due to rampant corruption, I can assure you that even if such a program is actually in place (I'm almost fairly certain there is, actually) it will either be misused or forgotten and the money will be siphoned off to some politicians pension fund. [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2250166/Gang-rape-aided-corrupt-network-bus-owners-police.html"]Even this rape also had its roots in corruption - the bus was actually illegal and wasn't allowed to run on the roads but was allowed to do so due to bribes being paid to the traffic constables and wasn't even checked while it slowly went around the city with this woman being raped inside. [/URL] Also, I know the Daily Mail has a dubious reputation, but I was unable to find any sources for the same right now. Will add them as soon as I can find them. If anything, corruption is something my country needs to rid itself of quickly. That and society needs to be educated about showing women respect as human beings and equals, and not as property or sex objects. Edit: [URL="http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/DEL-delhi-gang-rape-exclusive-cops-lies-nailed-bus-was-traced-in-hafta-record-4133822-NOR.html"]Here[/URL]'s another link I found describing the records of the bus being held in a hafta (bribe) record book being maintained by a traffic constable.

[QUOTE=Cone;39079990]and I dislike how you guys always seem perfectly fine with encouraging archaic, money-wasting methods of dealing out justice. looks as if we're two sides of the same coin[/QUOTE] But eye for an eye concept is completely fine. People wouldn't want them dead if they didn't do the thing they did in the first place. It's not like they want them dead for no reason. You can act democratic all you want, but in the end it's in our nature.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39080170]They're not religiously intolerant either, there is more variation in opinion than you think.[/QUOTE] "Variation of opinion" is irrelevant. I.e., I visit five SH threads over the course of the week. All five are related to capital punishment. In two of the threads prisoners are described as receiving the death penalty, and both receive about 100 boxes each with replies condemning the decision receiving numerous agree ratings. Turn to the other three threads and they're related to some countries removing their death penalty. 100 winners, FPers praising them, numerous agrees etc., which leads to me believing the general consensus on FP is, "The death penalty is barbaric," hence the irony in FPers agreeing with it for the sole purpose of retribution, a motive which [I]most[/I] (key word here) FPers usually condemned it for. [QUOTE=sambooo;39080285]Consensus is meaningless when you only took a single person as your sample of thousands. Stop being silly.[/QUOTE] Actually I'm pretty sure I've read thousands of posts condemning the death penalty in SH so I'm pretty well justified in assuming that there's a majority. An individual's post history means nothing when comparing his opinion and his agree ratings to other death-penalty related threads, where he would've been boxed to death if the perpetrators acted out a less disturbing crime.