Delhi gang rape suspects charged with kidnap, rape, and murder - could face death penalty - Polidicks

[QUOTE=zeldar;39080352]"Variation of opinion" is irrelevant. I.e., I visit five SH threads over the course of the week. All five are related to capital punishment. In two of the threads prisoners are described as receiving the death penalty, and both receive about 100 boxes each with replies condemning the decision receiving numerous agree ratings. Turn to the other three threads and they're related to some countries removing their death penalty. 100 winners, FPers praising them, numerous agrees etc., which leads to me believing the general consensus on FP is, "The death penalty is barbaric," hence the irony in FPers agreeing with it for the sole purpose of retribution, a motive which [I]most[/I] (key word here) FPers usually condemned it for. Actually I'm pretty sure I've read thousands of posts condemning the death penalty in SH so I'm pretty well justified in assuming that there's a majority. An individual's post history means nothing when comparing his opinion and his agree ratings to other death-penalty related threads, where he would've been boxed to death if the perpetrators acted out a less disturbing crime.[/QUOTE] I meant taking that one post you quoted as the 'new' consensus then claiming it contradicted the 'old' consensus; I wasn't making a point of you determining a consensus in the first place, just that you thought a single post in the contrary would reverse it entirely.

[QUOTE=zeldar;39080352]"Variation of opinion" is irrelevant. I.e., I visit five SH threads over the course of the week. All five are related to capital punishment. In two of the threads prisoners are described as receiving the death penalty, and both receive about 100 boxes each with replies condemning the decision receiving numerous agree ratings. Turn to the other three threads and they're related to some countries removing their death penalty. 100 winners, FPers praising them, numerous agrees etc., which leads to me believing the general consensus on FP is, "The death penalty is barbaric," hence the irony in FPers agreeing with it for the sole purpose of retribution, a motive which [I]most[/I] (key word here) FPers usually condemned it for. [/QUOTE] This is a pretty biased view on the general consensus [QUOTE=zeldar;39080352] Actually I'm pretty sure I've read thousands of posts condemning the death penalty in SH so I'm pretty well justified in assuming that there's a majority. [/QUOTE] Ok, I highly doubt that. Still doesn't represent the majority of facepunch because you don't know that.

[QUOTE=Rct33;39080440]Ok, I highly doubt that. Still doesn't represent the majority of facepunch because you don't know that.[/QUOTE] Actually a few thousand posts would make for an adequate sample size statistically. That said, the number was likely exaggerated greatly.

I'm anti-death penalty, but no matter what I think that if they do execute someone, they should do it humanely and peacefully. I don't think it's right to execute people in a painful, violent way. They're going to die, what good will it serve them? "Yes, make them suffer, then they'll learn their lesson immediately before they die." Executing them painfully is suffering for the sake of suffering, and I don't think that's right, no matter what the person has done. I can perfectly understand why some might want them dead, but I don't think a painful death is anything but unnecessary violence and brutality.

I'm a little shocked and kind of happy that the usually anti death penalty facepunch is so unanimous in their approval of hanging these fucks

[QUOTE=sambooo;39080485]Actually a few thousand posts would make for an adequate sample size statistically. That said, the number was likely exaggerated greatly.[/QUOTE] My point was why he said this: [QUOTE=sambooo;39080485] Actually I'm pretty sure I've read thousands of posts [/QUOTE] I doubted that

[QUOTE=Rct33;39080726]My point was why say this then:[/QUOTE] Yeah you're right. The number of posts was pivotal to his argument which is otherwise meaningless bollocks.

I think it's justified that the relatives of the victims want the rapists dead, but why grant them a swift death? Indian jails are no Breiviks hotel I presume.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;39080057]The Criminal Justice system should be based on reparations for the victim and rehabilitation or confinement of the perpetrator/s. Anything else, like the death penalty, is just revenge and evidence of a failed system.[/QUOTE] No matter how much of a failure your system was, or the opposite of that, you would still (probably) have murderer-rapist-torturers around. So many factors at play here it's mind-boggling, out of which the justice system(s) only comes after the deed is done.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;39080300]But eye for an eye concept is completely fine. People wouldn't want them dead if they didn't do the thing they did in the first place. It's not like they want them dead for no reason. You can act democratic all you want, but in the end it's in our nature.[/QUOTE] okay, so if it's our "nature" we shouldn't make any effort to avoid doing it? not only is human nature a heavily debated topic - so much so that basing any laws off of it is just bound to go wrong - but the implications this would have are absolutely horrifying. think about it: you're basically saying "it's our nature to maim and kill for our own catharsis, fuck all the other dudes," and that's some crazy nihilistic shit that not only implies that we're still dumb animals after everything we've done, but that this is not even a bad thing. I mean really, that one sentence alone may very well be the most vile, mean-spirited thing I've read all week.

They should just throw them into tihar tbh, it's a really fucking creepy place and the inmates would rip them apart

i don't approve of the death penalty killing them does absolutely [b]nothing[/b], for the victim, the victim's families, or society in general why aren't we happy with letting them rot in prison?

[QUOTE=Hammerz;39080756]I think it's justified that the relatives of the victims want the rapists dead, but why grant them a swift death? Indian jails are no Breiviks hotel I presume.[/QUOTE] That's the point. To keep them there in jail is like giving them a free pass to live as they like. If they can bribe officers to rape a woman in the bus don't you think they have connections to bribe the prison system in order to get out? Justice system there isn't really as black and white as ours in the USA.

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39081376]i don't approve of the death penalty killing them does absolutely [b]nothing[/b], for the victim, the victim's families, or society in general why aren't we happy with letting them rot in prison?[/QUOTE] idk how indian you are but where I am from it will probably prevent any good relations to happen with any other families for a verrrrry long time for the perpetrators families (they come from pretty rural areas)

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39081376]i don't approve of the death penalty killing them does absolutely [b]nothing[/b], for the victim, the victim's families, or society in general why aren't we happy with letting them rot in prison?[/QUOTE] Yes it will, it Improves morale of the country because there is a collective consensus to [b]KILL[/b] these people. Do you not remember the article about India getting up in arms because they weren't killing these people. Just because you see killing these people as a bad thing doesn't mean everyone else has too.

I hope they get rehabilitated and released back into the public, killing isn't the answer guys. They're just humans and like every human they have problems, once properly rehabilitated they should be able to live the rest of their lives among the public. If your answer to these men with obvious mental problems is killing them, you're barbaric. [sub][sub][sub][sub][sub][sub]100% not sarcasm[/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]

Yeah guys! people who rape and tourture people for kicks are people too :'(. never understood people who hold this angle on all criminals, yes many people who end up as killers are in need of help, not punnishment, yes many of them can ans should be rehabilitated. but theres got to be a fucking limit for goodness sake, did you not read what these men did to her?

[QUOTE=0FucksGiven;39082134]I hope they get rehabilitated and released back into the public, killing isn't the answer guys. They're just humans and like every human they have problems, once properly rehabilitated they should be able to live the rest of their lives among the public. If your answer to these men with obvious mental problems is killing them, you're barbaric.[/QUOTE] As nice a thought it is that they could be fully rehabilitated, see the error of their ways and get released, They would probably get murdered by someone off the street. [U]Personally[/U] i'd see them get long jail sentences due to the nature of their crimes, and get some kind of counseling in prison and some psych doc to keep an eye on them to see how they get along. Then again i don't know much about the Indian justice system so i don't know if it would be possible Still, for murder, rape and kidnapping, they should go to prison. Question is if they would be safe inside considering how big the case has become [editline]3rd January 2013[/editline] Just sticking them in a box for 50 years or however long they might get and then just leave them should really not be an option ether, some kind of rehabilitation should be avalible to them

[QUOTE=zeldar;39080151]FP isn't a hivemind but I wouldn't call it religiously tolerant because of a quiet minority.[/QUOTE]Dunno which forum you've been going to. Atheists in news article threads get slagged off with consistent frequency, and generally anyone directly attacking religion gets a box fort. imo Facepunch has gotten more diverse in it's opinions over the years; e.g. we had maybe a handful of conservatives in '06, and few outright religious people. Makes it far more interesting than a glorified echo chamber, even the complete nutters add a little flavour.

[QUOTE=0FucksGiven;39082134]I hope they get rehabilitated and released back into the public, killing isn't the answer guys. They're just humans and like every human they have problems, once properly rehabilitated they should be able to live the rest of their lives among the public. If your answer to these men with obvious mental problems is killing them, you're barbaric.[/QUOTE] And what if they don't want to be rehabilitated? What if they like being the circle-jerking fuckwit they are now? It is more Barbaric to force people to be something they aren't and choose not be. All rehabilitation is a way to for people like that to have a way out of their crimes. Give him the dignity to die because of his choices; not give him a free pass or brainwash him.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;39082497]Yeah guys! people who rape and tourture people for kicks are people too :'(. never understood people who hold this angle on all criminals, yes many people who end up as killers are in need of help, not punnishment, yes many of them can ans should be rehabilitated. but theres got to be a fucking limit for goodness sake, did you not read what these men did to her?[/QUOTE] any established limit would be too arbitrary to decide someone's life on

kill the rapists

[QUOTE=The golden;39085481]Rehabilitated? Maybe. Released back into public? You're out of your goddamn mind.[/QUOTE] fine print

They deserve a fate worse than death.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;39079584]Actually, it's a lot worse than that. They also slammed an iron rod up her vagina and then pulled it out with such a tremendous amount of force that her small intestines came with it. Uncomfirmed reports also suggest that her uterus was yanked out as well. By the time the doctors could do anything to try and save her she had already lost large portions of her small intestine, septocemia had set in and her large intestine as well a few other organs were affected by gangrene. Add to this the fact that they also threw her off the bus and also attempted to run her over - her boyfriend managed to pull her away in time and stop them from doing so. Hanging is too good for them. As wrong as capital punishment would be rapists, now that the charge has changed to murder, I would like to see them executed not just in public, but in the most painful manner possible. Preferably along the lines of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Despenser_the_Younger#Trial_and_execution"]Hugh Dispenser the younger[/URL] to match, brutality for brutality, what they did that to that poor girl. All she wanted to do was go out with her boyfriend, watch a movie and return home safely.[/QUOTE]Too bad there isn't a "holy shit that's horrifying" rating. I feel like it's underkill rating this shit friendly.

Regardless of what many people may think, I'm actually against killing them. I'd much rather see them tortured on TV for months on end. I can already think of a few things I'd like to do to them before letting them rot in the most nightmarish place on the planet.