Trump Health pick Tom Price Linked to Controversial Medical Group - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MR-X;51483243]Everyone gets one vote, they voted. Don't be a dick towards them because they voted for someone you didn't agree with. There wasn't much of a fucking choice this election and it is sad. I would have voted for fucking Satan before voting for the two options we had. So we can all continue to be smug and play the blame game or we can actually have a legitimate conversation about what is happening in our country. Then from there we can hopefully educate each other and work our damn hardest to make things work.[/QUOTE] We had our legitimate conversation about what is happening in our country, about how Trump would be a horrible choice for POTUS. Good thing we all came together and prevented that disaster, right?

[QUOTE=Mingebox;51483280]Don't act like most of them were just choosing the lesser of two evils. Almost all of his supporters here had competely drunk the Kool-Aid.[/QUOTE] What about Sanders turned Trump voters? They should be acknowledged as well.

Let's all agree that the media was worse than both candidates.

[QUOTE=Judas;51483303]don't even pretend hillary was equally as bad as trump[/QUOTE] this is pretty much what i deal with on a daily basis. "trump's going to privatize medicare" "BUT HILLARY CRIME FAMILY" "trump owns a large amount of stock in the pipeline he promises to have the military forcibly build" "BUT HILLARY CRIME FAMILY" "trump won't release his taxes" "but hillary's foundation didn't!" "they did and he hasn't" "But they are bad!" fuck cognitive dissidence lets find a cure for that instead of HIV, Cancer, AIDs and everything else then we'd be able to do something

how about instead of continuing with this us vs. them bullshit we use this as an opportunity to learn from our mistakes and all decide to think more critically, as a whole?

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51483313]What about Sanders turned Trump voters? They should be acknowledged as well.[/QUOTE] I'd like to not acknowledge that people are fooled by words alone and only followed bernie on a single issue (anti establishment), and cared nothing about his policies

[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51483408]how about instead of continuing with this us vs. them bullshit we use this as an opportunity to learn from our mistakes and all decide to think more critically, as a whole?[/QUOTE] Nah it is easier to sit and point fingers all day.

[QUOTE=MR-X;51483447]Nah it is easier to sit and point fingers all day. I don't need to pretend, she was bad on her own merit. Honestly she lost against Trump, what does that really say about her?[/QUOTE] that shit is exactly what trump used and manupulated to get to this point in the first place so imo some good old fashioned chill will help everyone out

More on topic with this article, I looked up some stuff about the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons and just started laughing. It looks more like a trashy faux-news site. I also looked at some of their journal articles, like how the connection between HIV and AIDs is questionable or non-existent. Also generally anti-gay sentiments. When I was talking to my parents about the latter (both are doctors) my Dad was like, "What the Hell?" And then went on a long spiel about CD4 and the scientific factors behind HIV and AIDs. With that said, the actual American Medical Association is supporting Price: [url]https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/why-we-support-dr-price-lead-hhs[/url]

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51483313]What about Sanders turned Trump voters? They should be acknowledged as well.[/QUOTE] If anyone actually switched from Sanders to Trump all that says to me is that they care less about policy and genuine issues and more about populist appeal Sander's platform was literally the opposite of Trumps in almost every quantifiable instance and Sanders himself told his supporters to vote Clinton, if someone actually went Trump after all that then they probably dont deserve any sort of serious acknowledgement

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51483313]What about Sanders turned Trump voters? They should be acknowledged as well.[/QUOTE] I don't want to jump down your throat like everyone else has been, but since you brought it up I would just like to say that any Bernie supporter that voted for Trump probably wasn't here for Bernie in the first place, just anyone anti-establishment or anti-Clinton. Anyone who actually believed what he said would realize that Donald Trump was advocating the exact opposite, and should be put off by that fairly quickly. For me, as bad as Hillary was, I could never get over Trump's denial of global warming or plans to widen the wealth gap at the cost of our people and our national debt.

When people decide to get in their car and drive drunk, none of them [I]want[/I] to cause a fatal accident. None of them [I]intend[/I] to get a DUI or lose their license. But these things are often the natural consequence of making a horrible choice- for your own selfish, short-sighted reasons, you've risked your own future and those of others. I don't buy this bullshit of "don't get mad because others made a decision you don't agree with." There are decisions that are objectively wrong, just like driving drunk. I can be as angry as I want for people who allowed themselves to ignore the collective voices of hundreds of experts and scholars and instead filled their heads with bumper sticker populist fantasies. So now they've sobered up and they want to "have a legitimate conversation about what is happening in our country" and to "educate each other and... make things work." Yeah, alright, let's. But if you're too prideful to admit what you've done in choosing President Trump, then how can we assume you won't be so prideful as to make the same mistakes again, and ignore the same experts and academics during the next media circus? What's stopping you from throwing up your hands after the next election and saying, "oh whoops, the same shit happened, but it's not my fault, I'm a victim here too~"?

[QUOTE=MR-X;51483243]Everyone gets one vote, they voted. Don't be a dick towards them because they voted for someone you didn't agree with. There wasn't much of a fucking choice this election and it is sad. I would have voted for fucking Satan before voting for the two options we had. So we can all continue to be smug and play the blame game or we can actually have a legitimate conversation about what is happening in our country. Then from there we can hopefully educate each other and work our damn hardest to make things work.[/QUOTE] Or you could have voted more sensibly and picked somebody who wouldnt set america back socially and economically for at least two generations I'm absolutely going to pin it up on the people who were desperate enough to vote a snake oil selling conman as president because "he was going to bring back all them jobs and moneys we have a right to" when he's quite clearly interested in nothing but himself and the other 1% like he is News flash, reality fucking bites everybody in the ass when people start relating to feelings over facts, thousands of experts in their relative fields, politics, climate change, medicine, economics, all of them said picking this moron would be a disaster for the country economically, politically, and socially, but no, you wanted to make America great again because you wanted "change" How often do you want us to just accept the consequences of other peoples' stupidity? Yeah, I'm just saying it like it is, like that moron Trump. Don't deny that they voted for him because of all the wrong reasons, because he was convincing enough to gull you into giving him your vote, and because you can't seem to understand that taking gambles has consequences like everything else - [b]in this case all of America is fucked as the rich get richer and the poor will be ground into the dust.[/b]

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;51484600]Yeah, alright, let's. But if you're too prideful to admit what you've done in choosing President Trump, then how can we assume you won't be so prideful as to make the same mistakes again, and ignore the same experts and academics during the next media circus? What's stopping you from throwing up your hands after the next election and saying, "oh whoops, the same shit happened, but it's not my fault, I'm a victim here too~"?[/QUOTE] Look, I'm not particularly proud of voting for Trump, not even since I voted for him in the booth. He was mixed to me just as much as Clinton was. I had chosen what I had in mind was the lesser of the bad. But like I said, I failed to do my research on the exploit on things like deregulations and such. During the presidential debate, he said how he would tax companies who would manufacture in other countries. Hillary said that her solution to this gap was to raise minimum wage, but what's that to stop from prices rising? And with prices rising, the unemployed aren't getting any richer, so they have to rely on general welfare. So, in order to satisfy the unemployed with general welfare, won't the government have to tax the people more? My family is already struggling with stupid taxes. Even if they remove some other taxes, won't this be capable of not making any different? It's just going to be an inflation.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51484639]Look, I'm not particularly proud of voting for Trump, not even since I voted for him in the booth. He was mixed to me just as much as Clinton was. I had chosen what I had in mind was the lesser of the bad. But like I said, I failed to do my research on the exploit on things like deregulations and such. During the presidential debate, he said how he would tax companies who would manufacture in other countries. Hillary said that her solution to this gap was to raise minimum wage, but what's that to stop from prices rising? And with prices rising, the unemployed aren't getting any richer, so they have to rely on general welfare. So, in order to satisfy the unemployed with general welfare, won't the government have to tax the people more? My family is already struggling with stupid taxes. Even if they remove some other taxes, won't this be capable of not making any different?[/QUOTE] I'm not going to take the bait on this diversion. The point I was making is extremely simple- you kept saying "yeah, I voted for him, but I didn't choose [I]this[/I]." But in this country, if you decide to drive home drunk and you accidentally hit and kill someone, we don't just shrug it off because you didn't intend to hurt anyone. Vehicular manslaughter sends you to jail. I'm saying that if you and other remorseful Trump voters want to have a dialogue on what to do next, you need to accept responsibility for what you've done rather than passing it off as an accident. Otherwise, it's hard to believe that you'll take responsibility for your country in future elections.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51484639]Hillary said that her solution to this gap was to raise minimum wage, but what's that to stop from prices rising? And with prices rising, the unemployed aren't getting any richer, so they have to rely on general welfare. So, in order to satisfy the unemployed with general welfare, won't the government have to tax the people more? My family is already struggling with stupid taxes. Even if they remove some other taxes, won't this be capable of not making any different?[/QUOTE] That's another problem, you fell for generic right wing propaganda. They tell you that minimum wage is bad and that they'll cut taxes. Historically a rise in minimum wage has increased wages across the board, which we desperately need as wages have been stagnant for decades despite companies making record profits. As far as cutting taxes goes, what they don't tell you is that they're cutting them for the rich, not you. They'll say some bullshit about how cutting taxes for the rich means higher wages and more jobs, but it's all bull. That extra dosh just goes into a billionaire's bank account.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51484639]Look, I'm not particularly proud of voting for Trump, not even since I voted for him in the booth. He was mixed to me just as much as Clinton was. I had chosen what I had in mind was the lesser of the bad. But like I said, I failed to do my research on the exploit on things like deregulations and such. During the presidential debate, he said how he would tax companies who would manufacture in other countries. Hillary said that her solution to this gap was to raise minimum wage, but what's that to stop from prices rising? And with prices rising, the unemployed aren't getting any richer, so they have to rely on general welfare. So, in order to satisfy the unemployed with general welfare, won't the government have to tax the people more? My family is already struggling with stupid taxes. Even if they remove some other taxes, won't this be capable of not making any different?[/QUOTE] That's honestly more a problem with how fucked up and full of loopholes your tax code is. Just saying that inflation is a fact of life, and money supply and demand are balanced on a hair with our current models of economics - too much money and inflation goes rampant, too little money and your dollar suddenly wont purchase as much as it used to as the costs of living ramp up. If nothing else you'll have to blame that on big businesses marking things up so much half the stuff you buy was made on the cheap but ends up being sold for many times more than what it's worth, ditto for luxury goods. Rises in minimum wages increase salaries across the board, leading to more dollars and more bang for your dollar as things stand. Companies have been making record profits lately, so they can fucking afford to throw a few hundred million into their workers' pockets.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51484666]That's another problem, you fell for generic right wing propaganda. They tell you that minimum wage is bad and that they'll cut taxes. Historically a rise in minimum wage has increased wages across the board, which we desperately need as wages have been stagnant for decades despite companies making record profits. As far as cutting taxes goes, what they don't tell you is that they're cutting them for the rich, not you. They'll say some bullshit about how cutting taxes for the rich means higher wages and more jobs, but it's all bull. That extra dosh just goes into a billionaire's bank account.[/QUOTE] Christ, I would think that Trump would be a Big Stick sort of guy, like Theodore Roosevelt. If it's historically proven that minimum wage increase does help the economy, then I'm regretful of my vote now. Ok, can I ask another thing? Let's say we voted for Clinton, and the minimum wage increase. I've noticed we've been pro-technology. Can you explain technology, which cost at a lower rate, with non-stop production, almost 24 hours a day, can you explain how we would counter companies who are trying to reduce employment with said technology?

Universal wage and a society where people dont need to work. Those are the proposed solutions anyway.

So something like Dubai, where people actually get paid for being citizens?

[QUOTE=Judas;51482332]you chose this[/QUOTE] Nah, they didnt. Thats like saying bernie supporters chose for hillary... They made the best call they could with the information they had, too bad their only chance at draining the swamp turned out to be a swamp troll himself... Hillary should have done a half assed attempt at running a campaign and we woudnt be in this mess... or heck should have stepped aside for bernie... yea, i fucking said it.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51484730]So something like Dubai, where people actually get paid for being citizens?[/QUOTE] I would guess. I know little about it. I might be blind but i can see there still being work available for the vast majority of adults in the future.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51484712]Christ, I would think that Trump would be a Big Stick sort of guy, like Theodore Roosevelt. If it's historically proven that minimum wage increase does help the economy, then I'm regretful of my vote now. Ok, can I ask another thing? Let's say we voted for Clinton, and the minimum wage increase. I've noticed we've been pro-technology. Can you explain technology, which cost at a lower rate, with non-stop production, almost 24 hours a day, can you explain how we would counter companies who are trying to reduce employment with said technology?[/QUOTE] You cant counter that without protectionist policies, which will stagnate progress. We need progress to avoid stagnation, which will overall lead to better qualities of life for the people. Say what you will, we're at the pinnacle of human progress right now instead of dying like flies thanks to easily preventable diseases and the like. There's a shift now to non-communicable diseases only because people aren't taking good care of themselves and eating rubbish. A paradigm shift is happening where more folks are getting aware of this and are trying to lead healthier lives. On this note, progress isn't always going to be 100% benevolent. Some people will be left behind as we move on to bigger and better things. It's the way of the world, and it always has been. As we moved from handcrafted goods to mass produced goods, the folks who make handmade goods are now placed at a disadvantage, unless those goods happen to be special enough to justify the time and expense it makes to create them. The Luddites and the guys who almost killed the inventor of the Jacquard loom didn't want progress to hurt them, but that didn't stop it from moving on like it always does.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51484754]I would guess. I know little about it. I might be blind but i can see there still being work available for the vast majority of adults in the future.[/QUOTE] If I recall correctly, Dubai pays the actual, native citizens just for being citizens, nomads and others do the working, but I believe they get paid little compared to the citizens. Someone's going to have to have to correct me on that. However, although this system would be good for US citizens, this would be definitely eye-catching for people from other nations. Would this be capable of immigration flooding? If we moderated the immgration, and illegal immigrants come into the country, should we prioritize over the legal or illegal immigrants? If we prioritize either, does it defeat the purpose of America as the "Land of Opportunity"? As far as this one, this would be up to how we define opportunity: Is opportunity given or earned?

The proposed secretary of Health is an anti-vaxxer. I'm so sorry you have to go through this, America.

At this point I'm starting to think ive misinterpreted the common "Wow liberals just wait and see what hapens [i] when he's actually president!!! [/i] instead of freaking out now, yeah?" line. I used to think they were saying "Just give him a chance to prove you wrong, he could be alright" but now it's pretty clear they mean "You think he's bad now? wait until you see what happens next. It's going to be a disaster." Also To the guy who voted Trump that's been posting here, I can't say I disagree with other posters in that you are partially to blame for this terrible situation. You fell for some pretty obvious right wing rhetoric from a dude that couldn't be more of a poster-boy for the opulent 1% if he ate fried Fabergé egg for breakfast each morning and then started wiping his mouth on hundred dollar bills before handing them to a member of his staff with instructions to burn them all. Even the slightest amount of research on the dude shows that that's who Trump is. I can't imagine how anyone would ever look at Donald Trump and think "Yeah, this guy who lives in a gold plated tower gives a shit about us little guys!". That said, I find it incredibly commendable that you actually seem a little taken a'back by Trump being terrible. Far too many Trump supporters still have their fingers in their ears, and despite all of the fucking awful stuff Trump is setting in motion, They will probably still be screeching about Clinton being the devil and Trump being the messiah this time next year. It honestly gives me hope to see that some of his voters are already starting to notice that Trump is haemorrhaging bullshit. Because to me that says you wont be blindly voting for him again once shit starts going really wrong, The very vocal (and hopefully, a minority) side of his fanbase has lead me to believe people like Trump getting elected is going to be the new normal, and maybe that's not the case?.

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51484712]Ok, can I ask another thing? Let's say we voted for Clinton, and the minimum wage increase. I've noticed we've been pro-technology. Can you explain technology, which cost at a lower rate, with non-stop production, almost 24 hours a day, can you explain how we would counter companies who are trying to reduce employment with said technology?[/QUOTE] That's speculator, in my opinion the best solution would be a system of basic income. But I feel that is a long ways off, since half the country still believes you [I]need[/I] a career or you are worthless. I suspect we'll see unemployment hit several times the record high before anyone even seriously considers it. [editline]6th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=PsycheClops;51484800]Would this be capable of immigration flooding?[/QUOTE] This is a bit off topic, but while we're on the future and immigrants, I just want to say that our attitude on climate change will hurt us [I]bad[/I]. You and me won't be around to see it by then, but there will come a day when billions of people are displaced by crop failures, rising sea levels, and inhospitable climates. Personally, I believe World War 3 will happen then, as hundreds of millions of people around the planet's equator want to move north and are blocked by other countries. Our immigration crisis is literally nothing compared to what's in store for future generations thanks to our ignorance, mostly from the right wing stalling climate change research and avoidance for 30 years.